I absolutly knew, when she said that, it would come back on the Democratic Party in November.

[IsItJustMe]

Dealmaking and drama lead up to Clinton speech By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

DENVER - While Hillary Rodham Clinton urges her supporters to heal a fractured Democratic Party by lining up behind Barack Obama, his Republican opponent is asking voters to remember Clinton's own criticism that Obama isn't ready to take that 3 a.m. phone call.

The day Clinton was to address the Democratic National Convention in a prime-time speech, John McCain's latest TV ad played off her primary campaign spot featuring sleeping children and a phone call portending a crisis. In the new ad Clinton is shown saying: "I know Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And, Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

A narrator adds: "Hillary's right. John McCain for president."

Clinton has already denounced such tactics from McCain, telling supporters after similar efforts to use her words against Obama, "I'm Hillary Clinton and I do not approve that message."

It's a turnabout for Clinton, who once seemed to have the nomination in her grasp and now is being called on to defend and support the person who wrested it from her. She is effectively playing middlewoman Tuesday night — passing a torch from her husband, the 42nd president, to Obama, who wants to succeed him as the next Democratic president.

But not without some Clinton-style political dealmaking and drama.

The Clinton and Obama camps agreed to limit Wednesday's divisive nominating process for president, allowing some states to cast votes for both Obama and Clinton before ending the roll call in an acclamation for the Illinois senator.

In one scenario, Clinton herself would cut off the voting and urge the unanimous nomination of Obama, according to Democratic officials involved in the negotiations. They discussed the deal on condition of anonymity while final details were being worked out.

But some Clinton delegates said they were not interested in a compromise, raising the prospect of floor demonstrations that would underscore the split between Obama and Clinton Democrats.

"I don't care what she says," said Mary Boergers, a Maryland delegate who wants to cast a vote for Clinton.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_convention_rdp
_________________________________________________________________________

I could not believe it when Hillary made those comments. I still can't. I am no sponge brain, but when I heard her make those comments I knew two things.

First, it was the most stupid polical move that anyone has ever made.

Second, this would come back to haunt the Democrats in November.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Those comments made it easy to leave her off the ticket

[polichick]

64. True - that's the upside!

[endthewar]

73. Who could have seen this coming

:eyes:

[Zhade]

82. True, so at least there's that.

I love it: "I'm Hillary Clinton and I do not approve that message."

Unless, of course, she thinks it will kneecap a fellow Dem running for the spot she's "entitled" to.

[cyberpj]

2. And third -

pardon my own personal opinion,

she knew it could be used against Obama if he won the primary, allowing her to run in 2012 after McCain is through - or dies.

And yes, I think she's that political and self-serving.

[Heather MC]

43. I think the plan was the two friends were suppose to run against each other

McCain and Hillary, and let Hillary win
but now that Obama Won the nomination
the new plan is help McCain get elected so she can run in 2012

SHE BETTER SELL IT TONIGHT

[progressivebydesign]

76. That's the most staggeringly stupid or brilliantly satiric comment, ever.

I hope for the sake of Dems everywhere, it was the latter.

[tekisui]

3. Leno knocked it back on Mcpow, effectively.

He said(paraphrasing), if Hillary is right, and you value her opinion, ask her to be on your ticket.

It made the old coot squirm a little. They used it already, and can't use it long.

[opihimoimoi]

6. People seem to forget the old codger promised a clean campaign...lied..all bets are off

Hill fucked up...killed her future...it was an all in bet...she lost...

we are moving on...

[Alter Ego]

4. If she wanted to be a hero to the Democratic party

she'd stop the roll call halfway through and cede her delegates to Obama. It would strip the media of any narrative of "disunity", make all Obama supporters who are still wary of her instantly trust her again, and insure her status in the party for years to come.

[leftynyc]

13. I heard that's exactly what she

is going to do. Right after New York votes.

[Alter Ego]

16. I hope she does.

I kinda grew apathetic towards Hillary after the primaries--she wasn't the opponent anymore, so I really didn't see any reason to keep disliking her. She kept her word and didn't drag the nomination fight to the convention--so I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

[baldguy]

5. And even as recently as last week she called Obama "my opponent".

Feed the PUMAs

[Arkansas Granny]

83. PUMAs feed on disunity. This place has been fertile ground for them lately.

[book_worm]

7. I think we all did. That was the difference between them--she decided to use her kitchen

sink strategy which would come back to haunt Obama in the general election while he never said anything of the kind like that which would come back to haunt her if she had won. I think she had better well repudiate it tonight.

[merh]

8. Screw that Maryland delegate - she proves it isn't about what

is best for the nation, it isn't about Hillary and respecting her, it is about the fucking "I want it" -

If that Maryland delegate had any respect for Hillary she would fucking respect her and support Obama.

For the love of god, we live in a horrible selfish, instant grantification society that wants only what they want and they want it now and the hell to the consequences.

Some one needs to pass the word - All HRC delegates that insist on casting their votes should hold their breath until the DNC and Obama let them vote.

[LynneSin]

29. I found it interesting that someone spoke to one of those 'Hillary Supporters' voting for McCain

I guess McCain has a new ad with one of those supporters stating how she was going to vote for McCain now. On MSNBC they talked about that add and I think it was even Chris Matthews who came out and said that a reporter found that woman and asked her about how she felt voting for an anti-choice republican. The woman in question didn't even know that McCainw was anti-choice and was clearly embarassed.

[merh]

35. Does that mean we need to do a better job of vetting delegates?

I just don't get it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

9. Many of her supporters can't seem to grasp that this is why Obama's supporters

and many Democrats are angry with the Clintons. They did a lot of damage and I believe deliberately to hurt the nominee.

[book_worm]

12. Exactly because it was her who went to the extreme not Obama

and now they want their asses kissed to get their support (I should say, some do, not all).

[vaberella]

19. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Besides her health plan it was her dirty politics that turned me off. When she said that statement I was done with her.

[Egnever]

63. I dont really think it even qualifies as some.

its a handfull maybe at best.

[polichick]

66. They're completely blind and deaf to the dirty tricks - Clinton apologists are easily fooled.

[Arugula Latte]

68. Yep....Lots of damage done.

Oh, but we're "haters" if we point it out, right?

[progressivebydesign]

79. As a former Hillary supporter, it was Obama supporters that did it to themselves..

Sorry, but I decided to support Obama when Hillary asked us to. No problem. But for some reason there is a disconnect from the Obama supporters online in regard to the filthy attacks Hillary's supporters endured from Obama supporters. I was called the filthiest names.. told I should just die, you name it. And this was for nothing more than not supporting Obama at that time. Hillary's supporters did not become bitter all by themselves, but you just can't see that. Randi Rhodes' filthy and hateful diatribe against Clinton and Ferraro pretty much illustrates my point. Yet.. she was totally made to be a hero here.

But you guys keep on blaming the Clintons, that's fine.

Me? I'm voting for Obama. Why? Because I believe he's much better than his supporters, and I really like Michelle.

[Number23]

80. Seems like you're confusing the point

But for some reason there is a disconnect from the Obama supporters online in regard to the filthy attacks Hillary's supporters endured from Obama supporters.

Randi Rhodes' filthy and hateful diatribe against Clinton and Ferraro pretty much illustrates my point.

The OP's purpose was to highlight needlessly defamatory comments made from the candidates' themselves, not from the media, supporters or surrogates. Liberal Stalwart (the poster you're responding to) just mentioned that Clinton supporters could not understand that the comment from Hillary's OWN MOUTH are the reason so many Obama supporters are angry.

The OP deliberately referenced Hillary's comment that she and McCain had experience while all Barrack had was "a speech he gave in 2004." No one has mentioned one thing said by Hillary's SUPPORTERS. This was from the mouth of the candidate herself. So why you're mentioning how horrible Obama's supporters were seems to be irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you could point out where Obama himself said that Hillary was inexperienced, that all she had "was a speech," that she "can not win," or something similar that would be much more pertinent to the discussion.

Good luck looking for something that caustic coming straight from Obama. It will be difficult to find something that doesn't exist.

[Zhade]

84. Yeah, how dare anyone call out race-baiting by clinton surrogates!

:eyes:

[JerseygirlCT]

10. How do they manage to "support" Clinton, while saying

they don't care what she says?

What exactly is it that these nuts are supporting, anyway? Their private sense of disappointment? Their right to sulk?

Their GOP masters?

[roguevalley]

61. the sore losing kills me. the need for some kind of kumbaya shit

drives me mad. it makes women look weak, spiteful and stupid. I am sick of this.

[iamjoy]

11. I Knew It Too

I knew as soon as I heard those comments that they were perfect for a McSame ad in the general election. It really left me with negative feelings for Hillary.

I really liked that ad made for MoveOn that compared Obama to Lincoln (from Illinois, they said he was inexperienced). I think we need to run an ad like this to help counter the McSame nonsense and help ease anyone who may have that lingering doubt about Obama's experience. If I could find it again myself I'd send it to my friends who are unsure.

Democrats also need to hammer home every chance they get that Obama's plan for phased withdrawl from Iraq is most in keeping with what the Iraqi government wants. We need to remind people that Obama was not wrong about the surge. Sure violence may be down in Iraq, but diverting troops there has removed our focus from Afghanistan and commanders are now saying we need more soldiers there where attacks have increased 40%. So, once again, Obama was right.

[TwilightGardener]

14. Those words were the one thing that suddenly persuaded my

lifelong Dem/Bill-Clinton-fan father to vote for Obama in the PA primary. He said no good Democrat would have ever said such a thing.

[No Elephants]

48. "He said no good Democrat would have said such a thing." Leave out the word "good" and the sentence

still means the same thing.

[IsItJustMe]

58. And your father was dead right from my perspective. It was the worst political betrayal I have ever

witnessed in my life time.

[C_U_L8R]

15. McCain isn't going to like what Hillary will say tonight.

Tonight it will be sliced and diced McCaca.. served cold.

[book_worm]

17. That's good, but...

Her comments when running against Obama will be more potent all he has to do is ask, "What does Hillary really think?" No, unfortunately she really hurt Obama with her kitchen sink strategy, and somehow tonight she has to repudiate, effectively repudiate, what she said about Obama during the primaries.

[greguganus]

26. More people will be seeing the McCain ads thru the weeks than will be watching Hillary's speech. n/t

[shaniqua6392]

18. They all criticize each other during the primaries.

Their words to each other will always be used against them once there is a nominee. Obama criticized her too and if he would have chosen Clinton as VP, the Repukes would have used his words against him. On the other hand, if McCain chooses someone like Romney to be his VP, there will be plenty of ammunition for the Dems to use against McCain since Romney was very critical of McCain during the primaries. My point is that this situation with Clinton is no different than it would be with any other candidate. Both Democrats and Republicans said horrible things about members of their own party during the primaries and those words will always come back to haunt someone. It is a competition. Hopefully, McCain will choose someone as his VP that was once his opponent in the primaries and we can hit back with an ad of our own. Just Google Mitt Romney criticizes John McCain and you will have a plethora of ammunition.

[book_worm]

21. yes, but it was commented at the time that Hillary was going too far

and Obama never questioned her ability to be president like she did.

[Arkansas Granny]

38. The people who thought that Hillary had gone too far were mostly Obama supporters

and the media pundits who were trying to stir things up for the sake of their ratings. It is the nature of politics that during a campaign you try to make yourself look better than your opponent. Every candidate says things that could be used later in the same way that Hillary's remarks have been used.

The primaries are over and it is what it is. There is no undoing it. Since Obama was named the presumptive nominee, Hillary has endorsed him, has urged her supporters to switch their support to Obama, she has campaigned with him and for him. They are now working together to establish unity in the party and win the general election. We all need to be doing our part to help them get this job done instead of crying over spilt milk. If they can come together for the good of the party and the country, surely we can do no less.

[IsItJustMe]

59. Not at all. After Edwards dropped out, I had no strong inclination toward Obama or Clinton. After

I heard those statements from Hillary, I knew in my heart of hearts that I could never support a person with such a lack of character. NEVER. I am not a big Obama fan, but Hillary showed me her true colors.

[vaberella]

23. Actually Obama spent more time on the defensive than being offensive if you remember the primaries.

His criticisms stayed within the sphere of politics. HRC's got dirty. The release of the photo in Muslim attire to incite drama. It came from her camp and everyone knew and they didn't even deny it, they actually defended it.

Her snide little statement in regards to his religion when she attended mass with him. Then we have the statement defending and promoting McCain OVER Obama. Now there was no need to go that far. One of you is going to make it out the winner, playing games like that and gambling your arrogrance will screw up someone' chances.

Her's weren't mere criticisms, they were direct and personal attacks which the Obama camp did NOT participate in. Her call of sexism did not even come from the Obama camp (although many would like to think so) those were directly from MSM---there's enough of a paper and video trail of that to fill up King Tut's tomb.

So there was a massive difference the two camps in how things were done and run. This needs to be recognized.

Sure between Romney and McCain there is a lot of dirt that was said on both sides. However I never heard one statement where Romney actually said Obama or HRC would make a better president than McCain and this was the major difference.

HRC crossed a line by doing that and for that alone I would never have vetted her and it's already being used against Obama without her being vetted.

[Zhade]

85. If you remember the primaries honestly and as they happened, indeed.

NT!

[sourmilk]

44. "...this situation with Clinton is no different than it would be with any other candidate."

Thanks for having some sense. They're playing back Biden's friggin' comments 24/7 on MSGOP and GNN, too; I don't see sixty threads criticising him for it...

John McPOW, himself, is his own greatest weakness. What more could you ask for? A traitor who betrayed his nation in tiem of War? A profiligate who eschewed an injured wife and forgotten family through dishonesty and repeated infidelity with a young, rich, drug addicted, charity-embezzling heiress who can "keep" him in style? A senile windbag who can't even remember which he's going to sleep at tonight? A nutjob who believes that he's Luke Skywalker fighting the Evil Empire?

Never going to happen.

:rofl:

[No Elephants]

50. You miss the point. It is not simply that she criticized Obama. It's that she said the Pub was

better qualified than her Dem opponent. I don't think any Dem or Pub has ever done anything like that in any primary.

[QC]

20. Yes, it would never have occurred to the Republicans to criticize an opponent

if Hillary hadn't given them the idea. :crazy:

Is this your first campaign?

[Balderdash]

22. You're kidding right?

The Republicans have made an art out destroying each other and their opponents.
I remember Obama and his "supporters" trying to make it appear that the Clintons, Bill in particular are some how racists. They ALL do it.

[Zhade]

86. The clintons didn't help themselves much by actually using race-baiting tactics.

And Obama NEVER said or even hinted they were racist. That is a lie and an attack on our nominee.

[book_worm]

25. But Hillary was going to far in her attacks and Obama never questioned whether she could be

president.

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[GoesTo11]

24. The point of evenh having a party is to not do what she did

A party is supposed to do better than just a bunch of individuals (who could, in theory, run everywhere with no affiliation and still win).

It does that by not helping the other side! There's an amount of criticism that's acceptable within the party - I have more experience, I have better policies, I have better ethics ... And then there's an amount of criticism that is unacceptable - you have less experience than, worse policies and worse ethics than the other party's candidate.

No one should ever use the kneecapping strategy - and let's be clear, that's exactly what it was, she was hoping to make Obama unelectable either to cause him to lose the 2008 nomination or the 2008 election - within the party. That's not an acceptable way to win or to play. It's unacceptable precisely because it can't be undone. Obama, on the other hand, didn't say one thing that could be used against any Democrat in the general election if he had not been the nominee. Not one thing. The absolute selfishness of Hillary's tactics are unforgivable. She can still work toward reducing the damage she has done, but she did what she did, knowingly. Maybe she just couldn't face defeat, or maybe she calculated that even an Obama loss was better than an Obama victory for Clinton, Inc.

We can try to be nice now, we can suspend disbelief, and I suppose we have to. But that doesn't mean we are idiots.

[Bad Thoughts]

27. Actually, it's still August

I hate to be cute, but McCain is running this kind of ad very early. The argument will lose its effectiveness quickly. He should have waited to pull the trigger.

[TornadoTN]

33. From a political strategy viewpoint, it's probably the best time to run those ads

With the convention in full swing, they know that there is going to be Hillary coverage wall-to-wall given the nature of the primary. They can neutralize the overall impact of her speech by playing this clip and forcing it into the medias limited worldview. It means that anyone paying attention to Hillary this week will also be paying attention to this clip by default.

How many people this will affect is unclear - I'm wagering its very small. But the media will turn it into a "DEMOCRATS ARE STILL UNSURE ABOUT OBAMA" and it will cut into the unaffiliated voter base.

[katandmoon]

28. GMAFB. By this logic, no candidates of the same party running for the same office

Would ever attack each other during their campaigns.

[book_worm]

30. there are degress of attack. It was commented at the time that Hillary was going too far

she was questioning her DEMOCRATIC opponent for the nomination ability to be president and saying that the REPUBLICAN candiate was better qualified. That is not expected to happen. Obama never did that to her.

[katandmoon]

46. "Obama never did that to her"?! Awwww. Well, if he did, I sure wouldn't whine about it.

I would consider it HER job to smack him down for it, just like I considered it HIS job to smack HER down for it.

[BornBlue]

45. Ok, if you are so sure why don't you give us some examples

of past primaries where one candidate promotes the opposite party's nominee over the one they are currently running against?

I am so tired of this argument that Hillary did nothing out of the norm. She did. Think about it, how many past elections do you remember that the loser of the primary 1) makes demands of the winner 2) continues to dominate the press(possibly more than the actual nominee) 3) is featured in multiple attack adds from the other side?

She admitted that she was doing everything she could to tear him down. She admitted the kitchen sink strategy. Let's not forget, "can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen". All this while she was simultaneously criticizing the media and Obama about sexism. You can't have it both ways, no matter how much you think you are entitled to it.

She is still 18 million in the hole, and needs the constant media attention to divert from the fact that she is not paying off her debt. I have an idea, why don't the 18 million people who voted for her each send $1.00 and then her debt will be paid off, and she can go back to the Senate and continue to serve the people who actually ELECTED her. Almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

[katandmoon]

47. Nawww. I'm not going to waste my time. Your obsession with hating Hillary speaks for itself.

[Zhade]

87. You can't do it, you mean. Because it's rarely, if ever, happened.

NT!

[Liberal Dose]

34. How many DUers who defended Hillary's comments praising McCain over Obama are willing to admit they

were wrong? Many of us typed the words "Hillary just made a powerful campaign commercial for McBush" only to be reprimanded by Hillary supporters. The couldn't seem to understand the outrage. The damage is done, and it's up to Hillary and her followers to fix it.

[msongs]

36. what will you people do when you cannot eviscerate hillary clinton anymore? nt

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

40. Oh, I don't know.

She deserves to be taken to task for some of the things she and her campaign did. To paraphrase: When you engage in scorched earth campaigning, sometimes the blaze comes back to remove your tail feathers.

The Clintons are consummate campaigners. I think that in this case, they got caught up in the immediate processes of the campaign and failed to look at the long view, how things they said and did would play out in the fullness of time.

[Balderdash]

49. Scorched earth...

Oh good grief, that tired old canard again.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

55. Well, then...

What would you call a prima facie endorsement of a repuke candidate by a dem candidate, over her opponent, in the heat of a campaign? Parlor games?

I would call it seriously bad judgment.

And below, Kristi puts a very fine point on what Sen. Clinton must do tonight, to preserve her position in the party. This is not a "Kumbayah" moment, by a long shot.

[LanternWaste]

56. I would call it Politics

"What would you call a prima facie endorsement of a repuke candidate by a dem candidate, over her opponent, in the heat of a campaign?"

I would call it Politics. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[redqueen]

52. Timing is everything! And this is NOT the time. IMO.

:)

[QC]

42. Get on with their lives?

Oh wait....

[Barack_America]

37. Her political career depends on how well she atones for this tonight.

If she doesn't strike back against McCain with full vengeance, her chance at any leadership position in this party is gone.

I'm certain she understands this and I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt that she does the right thing tonight.

[Egnever]

65. I think she is going to rock Mcsames world tonight

I honestly do.

I think we are going to be reading lots of Thank you Hillary threads tonight with a big grin on our faces.

If not well then I think you are right her career is effectively finished.

[NashVegas]

39. Grow Up

Someone running to be the nominee of a political party can't police every freaking thing they say because the ultimate opposition might use it. If you think Clinton could come up with a line of attack Karl Rove would never think of, you attribute to her even more brilliance than the people who voted for her did.

[BornBlue]

53. You miss the point.

Would Rove have come up with this all by himself, yes. What he wouldn't have been able to do is have sound and video provided by Hillary herself had she not put it out there first. She knew what she was doing, she has played the game long enough.

[NashVegas]

57. Tough

If that's the case, let's permanently ban from the internet everyone, everywhere, who wrote an online post or essay that put funny ideas into someone's head. This way we can make sure they don't do that again.

[SoCalDem]

41. This whole drama reminds me of a divorce

Mom (it's usually the mom who gets the kids) says mean shit about daddy every day...tells the kids what a creep daddy is, and how miserable he made her..tells them all the gory details of the failed marriage..

and later, when they reconcile, she thinks the kids will just "un-hear" all the vicious things she said....

[IsItJustMe]

67. It does seem to have that drama aspect to it.

[Cha]

51. I absolutely know...Why bring fucking mccain into our

primary election?! Because they were going for broke and they broke their bank and they're way too arrogant to admit it.

[redqueen]

54. Wow... good for you lapping that shit up right now! And spreading it here, too!

In case you haven't noticed, the M$M is trying REALLY fucking hard to further divisions.

What say you don't help them, huh?

There's this convention thing... and the message is unity, see... so DEMOCRATS might want to consider, like... getting the fuck on board with it.

Fucking hell...

[IsItJustMe]

60. Excuse meeeeeeee!!!! I am not god and I don't create the fricken reality of the news media. This

is out there and you would be a damned fool not to deal with it. It is what it is. Don't kill the messenger.

[AzDar]

62. An unfortunate byproduct of this primary has been that I 've come to the realization that

the Clintons aren't about the Party, they're all about the Clintons.


:puke:

[sniffa]

69. These threads should just stop now

You're feeding the Victims what they crave. Look, they're all over this thread flogging themselves.

[IsItJustMe]

71. Maybe there is some truth to what you say. Up to this point however, in all honesty, I have not

seen Hillary make up for the damage she has created. Like it or not, there was serious damage done with the way that she ran. It did not have to be that way, yet it was.

My hope is that Hillary can somehow do more to help heal these wounds. If not, I hope and pray that Obama can overcome them.

When it is all said and done, I guess there is a fine line between rubbing salt in an old wound or facing the facts and trying to get out in front of them. It was not my intention to sow discord with this post, but rather to give a honest look at what faces us in the upcoming election.

[sniffa]

72. I agree with you

but the self-crucifying acts of some have worn out their welcome.

[barack the house]

70. Hilary's response here, video link-->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pUFuzaRdNU

[busymom]

74. what about the comments that Joe Biden made?

The ones being used currently in an ad campaign against Obama by McCain?

I wish Clinton had not said certain things...and the same of Biden.

I really like Biden though. He and Dodd were very high up on my list and I am happy with the choice of Biden...I'm just trying to point out that he also said some off things.

[progressivebydesign]

75. Is everyone here on DU 18 years old, except for me???

Gawd.. is this the first-ever election any of you have been a part of??? EVERY primary candidate makes disparaging comments about each other -- it's how you get to be the nominee. Obama made his fair share of negative attacks, as did all othe candidates.

Bill Richardson said a few choice things about Obama as well. I see so many GOP talking points on DU in the past few days, trying to fan this Clinton thing, I can only deduce two things.. pick one: Most DUers are 18 years old and have never been of voting age during a general election, OR the repubs are hard at work with their divide and conquer edict.

For reference on these things, one need only look at Bush and Reagan during their primary, and every single primary candidate that ran against each other and became running mates. There was this embarrassingly phoney attempt to act like good sports during the primary this time, and it was total BS because the attack ads were out there, the snide comments, and the surrogates, and paid bloggers.

GIve this shit a rest. Your'e doing the right-wing media's job for them.

[ZombieHorde]

77. Did Bill Richardson suggest that McCain would make a better POTUS than Obama?

Congratulations, you found the hidden text!

[busymom]

78. I wish I could rec this post!!

I totally agree.

[Honeycombe8]

81. Me, too. It was over the top. nt