WTF Happened While I Was Sleeping?? Now Hillary "Didn't Do Enough." ???

[K Gardner]

This is freaking INSANITY !

The world was aghast when I went to bed last night, singing Hillary's praises. I flip on the TV this morning, stir my coffee, and I'm seeing her absolutely BLASTED on MSNBC because she didn't give people ONE REASON to vote for "this guy".. she didn't define "this guy".. "the convention is all about the Clintons now"..

And WTF is a Zeus Set?

You know, I think at this point in my daily life I mirror a bit more of the average American than most on this board who follow all the ins and outs hourly. I've gotten sidetracked by a hectic work schedule, travel, kids, school activities, etc. I turn in if its a BIG event and I have time, or just when I'm flipping channels, like this morning.

And I have fucking WHIPLASH from this shit. I don't understand who these sick pundits are playing to.. I don't. Because I'd wager to guess anyone just sporadically tuning in to this garbage is utterly, totally CONFUSED.

What irresponsible, sick and dangerously biased coverage.

[still_one]

1. Turn OFF the MSM. In fact boycott the bastards. Do you really get anything from them?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

[eShirl]

2. "I flip on the TV this morning,"

There's the problem right there!
:rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

3. They can't let us feel good about anything for more than a few moments.

Gotta keep working up the angst, division, and sense of doom, and squash any positive, hopeful feelings, or people might just start thinking that the Democrats should win this year.

[hisownpetard]

4. I was never a Hillary supporter. Hillary was PERFECT last night, and anyone who claims she

was not great obviously has other things on their agenda.

[K Gardner]

7. Exactly how I feel about it, HOP !

[cliffordu]

28. That's right.

[DevonRex]

5. Turn it off. They're just pieces of shit. Hillary was perfect. nt

[SeaLyons]

6. Pay no attention to MSM...they have an agenda to keep

the GOP in office. We have to ignore the negativity, and get very excited about getting Obama elected. We need to bombard the media calling them out on their bullshit. They thrive on whipping up drama - it gives them something to talk about. It's bullshit. Ignore it.

By Thursday night, this party is going to be 100% United and there will be no stopping us. We are going to win back the White House, begin restoring our great country back to greatness, and the GOP knows it.

GOBAMA!!!!!

[Ferret Annica]

8. What are you listening to, Faux News?

I can't check your dismay as I killed my TeeVee years ago, I never, ever watch it if I can avoid the nasty thing.

I would say Hilary did what she was supposed to do and is ready to go out and repeat that message as much as it will take to get the Democrats (I am Green) and Liberal/Moderate Republicans to go out and do the right thing and make Barack Obama the next President of the United States.

I wouldn't waste time hand wringing, we have a war to fight to tip over the NeoCon war and domestic oppression machine and destroy it.

[Bonobo]

9. No one here thinks that. Not EVEN me. nt

I gave her a 101 out of 100.

[City Lights]

10. Turn off the corporate hoooore media.

They are not on our side.

[SwampG8r]

11. get over itpeople

she did everything she had to do and more
it was a grand slam homer out of the god damn park

[eshfemme]

12. That's the fucking war criminal MSM right there. What I'm worried about is that they'll help to

brainwash the more gullible Americans again into doing something that screws us all over in the long run like not voting for Obama.

[GihrenZabi]

13. To some degree they're right...

...but not for the reasons you report any of them as saying.

Her references to Obama felt token and thrown in. Her speech last night was a concession to her because Barack needs her support. She didn't repudiate her low-information racist primary supporters who now are saying they'll vote for McCain because they don't want a black man running the show. She didn't repudiate her female supporters who supported her primarily because she's female and who now feel slighted; you want to be equals, you play the game as equals. Hillary lost, get over it, if you're Democrats get on board. Again, token sentiments to that effect, but she needed to straight-up repudiate those perspectives and make it clear that she didn't WANT that to be.

Hillary needed to fall on her sword and repudiate her tactics, her statements about Barack not being ready...but she didn't.

Just like putting her name into nomination is a concession, her speech last night was also a concession. It was all about Hillary. She said "I support Barack Obama" three, maybe four times at the most?

I did not get the feeling that she was really getting on board last night, and I certainly didn't see that she repudiated all the bullshit she pulled and I definitely didn't see her chiding her supporters who needed to be chided to get the fuck over it and get on board the Obama train.

That's what she had to do, and she didn't do it. I am not impressed.

[leftynyc]

22. Glad they finally zapped your ass

The air is fresher around here.

[Carolina]

38. I agree

While she did well generally, the speech still smacked of being about her. And you are so right, she has never repudiated her kitchen sink tactics.

I am sick and tired of claims that she was robbed. She ran a lousy campaign (and despite Penn, Wolffson, Bill ... the buck stopped with her), she felt entitled (Bill still does), she tried to change the rules (FL, MI) and she was never cahellenged about her alleged 35 years of experience, her corporate lawyerhood or her votes (IWR!!!).

She lost. PERIOD. And she should have been on board for the Democratic Party before Rangell and a Congressional delegation had to take her to the woodshed to make her concede in June!

[Egnever]

14. The MSM needs the controversy

You saw it with your own eyes She did fine

[Heather MC]

15. I watched the FAUX NEWS Commentary After her speech THE ASSHATS AT MCNBC

are repeating word for word everything Kristol said on FAUX last night.
MADE UP RIF
I am not even mad anymore, I have decided I have my own brain, I can make up my own mind
I don't need these Jack holes to interpret english speaking people for me.
I can do it myself

[K Gardner]

17. So THATs where this crap came from... figures. Rehashed FOX b/s.

[tnlefty]

16. What were you watching?

I thought that Hillary's speech was excellent and delivered very well.

I'd like to know "who these sick pundits are playing to", also.

[K Gardner]

18. It was Morning Ho and Mika. Same channel was singing her praises last night.

[tnlefty]

21. I had a feeling that it was Morning Ho.

He's the reason that I refuse to turn on MSNBC. I hope that he gets canned and soon.

Sorry about your whiplash.

[Moochy]

37. Morning Joe is a conduit for all of the republican toxic waste

Scar has always been a nasty scumbag, with Mika there at his elbow he's become the channel for all of the filthy republican talking points. Turn it off is the best advice. He looked drunk on tuesday's show, someone posted a clip of him getting owned by Shuster yesterday.

[tnlefty]

42. I know and I just love it when Harold Ford, Jr. goes on that stupid

show and Ho just fawns all over him and talks about what great friends they are and how he's one of the few democrats that Ho respects and could work with when they were both reps. Makes me want to hurl up my spleen, especially when I remember working hard to try to get Harold elected so that we could have a majority.:puke:

I quit watching them a few months ago.

[frazzled]

19. Good as it was, there was one thing I thought she failed to do

And it was confirmed to me today by a close family member who was in the demographic of senior-aged female ardent Hillary supporters. She asked me if I had seen the black woman interviewed on CNN after Hillary's speech (I cringed because I had) who said she wasn't going to vote for McCain but didn't know if she could summon up the energy to vote for the Democrat--for the first time in her life--because he just wasn't EXPERIENCED or QUALIFIED. My relative then said, "He isn't ... he was a D student (huh?) and just made it on affirmative action." Oy vey.

The problem was never that Clinton supporters (real democrats, at least) were going to vote for McCain. The problem is that many of them will have a hard time coming out and voting FOR Obama. She did really need to tell them ... if even only in one sentence... not just that you had to vote for Obama if you wanted to keep HER issues alive, the Democratic issues, and that John McCain was wrong--but that Obama was eminently qualified to bring these issues to fruition.

I noticed that right away in the speech ... and my suspicions were confirmed today. CNN will always be able to find the person to interview who feels this way ... and there will be more like my relative who will believe it. Clinton ran her campaign on claiming that Obama did not have the experience or chops (and that's fair in a political fight): it was her duty to find away to dispel that now. We really can't win without it.

[TexasObserver]

20. it's spin by the MSM RNC noise machine

She did what she needed to do, what she could do.

I'm happy with her performance, and give her high praise for it.

With each negative comment simply ask: Does this person want to see the Democratic ticket fail?

[Peregrine Took]

23. I can't stand it anymore. They are contriving all this crap for viewers.

I'm watching Cspan from now on.

[Metric System]

24. The MSM has always had a bad case of CDS. Until now many Obama supporters haven't recognized this

because Hillary was the "enemy" so the Clinton-bashing in the media was seen as justified and sensible. Nothing has changed in terms of the media's behavior. What has changed is Obama supporters' perception of Hillary and how the media treats her.

[spanone]

25. the horseshit is piling up in the streets....

what would you expect rudy giuliani to say????

[Beacool]

26. Why do you watch MSNBC?

I stopped watching that crappy sorry excuse of a "news" network months ago and I will never watch it again.

Ahhhhhh, peace.......

:shrug:

[bunkerbuster1]

27. Well, it stops sucking at around 8pm...

And will continue stopping-sucking until 10pm, once Maddow's show kicks in the week-after-Labor Day.

[Beacool]

34. I still will never watch it again.

Not after the constant sexist bashing of Hillary that they indulged for months in that network.

[bunkerbuster1]

35. So, you won't even tune in to Rachel's show?

seems cut-off-nose-to-spite-face-y.

[Beacool]

44. Nope.

I have no interest in watching anything that comes out of that network.

[mkultra]

29. she didnt knock it out of the park

But she did more than enough. She seemed to only make the argument that Barack is the lesser of two evils.
Which is enough for me. She also went on the offensive with McCain which is excellent.

[elana i am]

30. well i'm neither here or there on the speech really

except to say that i don't think it was effective or a good idea, because you can't change the mind of someone who is a racist, someone who is spiteful or someone who believes experience matters most, or happens to be like my independent and right wing asshat family members who would never vote for someone in the "clinton party."

i'm fully behind obama, but his lack of experience is an ugly truth we have to deal with. another ugly truth is that the clintons are hated by a large contingent of the independent, repug and even some dem electorate but they are also considered democratic royalty. and yet another ugly truth is human nature makes one spiteful and defiant. the spite is evident all over this board every day in copious amounts.

i don't think she was going to change any minds no matter what she said, and i also think that having clintons anywhere near these proceedings is a bad idea. i've made no secret of the fact that i don't like the clintons and never have, but i'm not a huge obama fan either so i can be honest and say that considering the clintons' stature in the party, obama compares unfavorably in the areas of experience, gravitas and effectiveness. the clintons shouldn't be there because they both invite comparisons with obama and turn off independents and repugs who might have otherwise been inclined to stray in our direction.

the hillary boosters were lamenting what could have been and sadly realizing that what they got was very inexperienced, very black and very male. and my asshat independent family members still have zero interest in the "clinton party."

[spanone]

39. so obama is very inexperienced, very black and very male......you are in the wrong house

[Duke Newcombe]

31. It's a "Horse Race" mentality. Get used to it.

If the situation were reversed, Barack could get a "Hillary 08" tattoo on his ass, and the Pundocracy would claim it isn't enough, because it's not visible enough.

Duke

[Arugula Latte]

32. No matter what is said or done at the Democratic Convention, it will be torn to shreds by the MSM.

Bank on it.

Republicans will get glowing coverage and praise.

We're up against an overwhelming propaganda machine, and millions of Americans are still stupid enough to think the media is liberal.

[bushisanidiot]

33. MSM is in the can for McCondo. They have made it obvious in the past week

falling all over themselves trying to find anything to pick apart.

They are not talking about what is WORKING for the dems (party unity, staying on message, a platform all democrats can get behind, a kick-ass ticket to work for), they are only interested in manufacturing drama to keep their ratings high so they can compete with Fox, which isn't even a news channel.

[sandnsea]

36. Boycott n/t

[musicblind]

40. Sometimes I think the media is trying to stir up shit in order to gain ratings n/t

[appleannie1]

41. I never, for one second, supported Hillary. Yet she had me laughing and crying

at the same time during her speech last night. To say she was awesome is putting it mildly. I sometimes wonder if the pundits sprinkle LSD on the morning cereal instead of sugar and vinegar in their coffee instead of cream.

[Spirochete]

43. Hillary did just fine

Delivered a couple resounding crotch-kicks to McThusaleh, while making the point that all the reasons people had for supporting her, were also reasons to support Obama now.
I was quite impressed, and I'm certainly not a Hillary fan.