There is a lot of sexist bullshit being throw on these threads because of mccain's VP

[still_one]

That is uncalled for and stupid

The focus is, do we want a continuation of the bush/cheney policies through mccain?

This has nothing do do with gender, but everything to do with judgement AND EXPERIENCE

[greguganus]

1. Thank you. n/t

[still_one]

5. we are different than the republicans

[XemaSab]

2. AMEN!

Just because she's an underqualified beauty queen is no reason for sexism that we wouldn't tolerate in our own party!

[spanone]

3. she has no judgement or experience...his choice is sexism

[XemaSab]

6. It's patronizing on his part, for sure

But should we respond by calling this woman sexist names?

NO.

[still_one]

8. That is a valid point, but some of the remarks on DU are pretty bad

and are not arguing from that perspective

We have this on the issues

[spanone]

16. you can bet mccain made his decision BECAUSE she's a woman...not because she's a leading politician

[still_one]

Your point is valid and NOT sexist. That is not what I was referring to

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6813700

[spanone]

65. i must be naive, i don't even know what that means!

[Phx_Dem]

4. She's a woman. Calling her a woman is not sexist.

For the record, I'm a woman. Was that sexist?

[still_one]

13. That is NOT what I am saying, but if you have seen some of the posts

made about her with sexual references, that IS sexist

For the record I'm a guy

For me the issue is simply do we want a continuation of bush policies?


NO!!!

[spoony]

25. Calling her a "brood mare" is, though.

[XemaSab]

40. Calling her a bimbo is

:shrug:

[Virginia Dare]

48. when you act bimbo-like you will be called a bimbo..

when you act ignorant, you will be called stupid. She's NOT a feminist. She is anti-feminism. I will not give her that kind of respect.

[XemaSab]

56. She may not be a feminist

but you're still a sexist.

Welcome to my "buddy" list.

[Phx_Dem]

84. Yep. I haven't seen that one, but yes in this case it is.

However, some woman are bimbos. Think Hooters.

[Bluerthanblue]

7. sorry to disagree, but if she weren't a woman, she wouldn't have been

chosen.

Her sex is what McCain chose her for.

And that puts gender into the mix.

Whether we want it there or not.

[Undercurrent]

10. That logic

should not lead to using sexist/derogatory terms against Palin.

I don't like going after her motherhood choices, her looks etc.

[still_one]

15. That is NOT what I am saying, references like VPILF, and other posts like it

are sexists

[Virginia Dare]

49. So what, we've talked about Obama's sex appeal before..

big deal.

[JuniperLea]

68. Bingo...

Sometimes I wonder... jeez.

Oh, and I agree with your bimbo comment above too... I think it apropos of a woman who find herself running for an office she knows nothing about.

[Nye Bevan]

9. I don't like the "she should stay home because she has kids" posts.

These posters would have felt right at home in the 1950s.

[Virginia Dare]

50. Unless it's calling out fundie hypocritical nonsense, then agreed..n/t

[Ilsa]

66. They are talking about her going back to work after 3 days after

giving birth to a child with a disability. Even professional women like doctors and lawyers take a few weeks off with their newborns. It doesn't pass the Family Values smell test, IMO.

[Captain Hilts]

11. Agreed. nt

[gal]

12. This isn't a feminist forum

If I wanted to hear constant bitching about how someone is treated just because they are a woman i'd go to a dedicated feminist forum. Go preach to the people that want to hear and let the rest of the internet be the internet.

[Undercurrent]

17. Wrong.

Feminist causes are in our party platform, and supported by our candidates.

[gal]

47. Yes but there is a difference between supporting and policing.

/me checks the name on the forum I joined....don't see feminist anywhere.

[still_one]

21. So then you agree with references like VPILF. You think that is a good position to take, huh!!!!

[jgraz]

26. VPILF. ROTFLMAO

That. Is. Awesome.

:rofl:

[still_one]

29. Want to watch us lose?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6813700

[jgraz]

33. Lighten up, Francis.

If you don't catch the irony in that epithet and how it goes to the heart of McSame's pandering, sexist decision, I can't help you.

VPILF. Absolutely PERFECT. :rofl:

[still_one]

37. whatever /nt

[11 Bravo]

45. That's pretty much what I was aiming for. Apparently the irony was lost on some.

[jgraz]

53. DU is an irony-free zone

:eyes:

[11 Bravo]

57. I used to think it was only Republicans who were irony-challenged.

Apparently not.

[EatTacos]

46. VPILF, LOL, she is easy on the eyes, I have to say that.

All the comments complaining about her having 5 kids, calling her a breeder, these people need to stop and think about it for a minute.

Alaska....6 months of darkness....cold, cold, cold winters.
If you're trying to stay warm by snuggling up to someone as pleasant looking as her, well.....having a few kids seems almost inevitable from my point of view.

[jgraz]

54. She's a bit too Katherine-Harris-y for me

[EatTacos]

55. It never occured to me to even compare the two

I'm trying to imagine one of these pics of Palin, but with about 20 pounds of makeup on.
Maybe I'll just have to photoshop one to see. lol

[OwnedByFerrets]

30. Have you been to the site?

Its been up for months and is obviously very favorable to her. If it was offensive to her, couldnt she have it taken down? I dont know, Im asking?

[still_one]

39. Nope, didn't even know it existed /nt

[gal]

51. I may not ..but I don't think it's your place or anyone else's place to police the internet.

Unless your a moderator here...are you?
If the mods think it's wrong they will take care of it, otherwise you need to watch your own actions not the actions of others.

[Nye Bevan]

28. OK. Here is a major problem with Palin

What if McCain croaks and she becomes president? A *woman* with her finger on the nuclear trigger, when she gets to "that time of the month"? Now that is *scary*.

[still_one]

31. Thank you, THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT, NOT!!!!

[qwlauren35]

83. Yeah, right...

Like a man who's having good sex at 3am is going to pick up the bat phone.

It goes both ways.

[JoFerret]

34. I would have thought ALL democrats are feminist

All the word means is the belief in equality.
That seems to me a basic democratic value.

[glancingthefuture]

60. you are right. To be otherwise is to be undemocratic.

[JoFerret]

63. All democrats are feminists

Men and women in the party should get out there and tell the world this.
Non feminists are in the wrong party. I don't know where they belong.

[glancingthefuture]

73. spot on.

[Der Blaue Engel]

74. Well that's painfully obvious

All we feminists do is bitch, bitch, bitch, right "gal"?

Democrats used to be feminists and proud of it.

[Lucinda]

14. Yup.

[Jobama Biden]

18. And so it begins...

The wound that the convention tried to heal slowly reopens.

If you didn't think this was their goal, you're an idiot.

[still_one]

32. You are right /nt

[Der Blaue Engel]

75. And look who opened it?

We had an opportunity here to take the high road, but some here seem determined to take everything into the dirt.

[thoughtcrime1984]

19. He's using her as an inexperienced pawn, nothing more. Cheapens the feminist movement. Plus, she

sucks something terrible. Trooper-gate, and how in the hell did she get elected in AK being anti-environment??

[ecstatic]

20. omg. here we go again. Can someone compile a list

of what is off limits and post it as a sticky? :shrug:

[still_one]

35. Referring to an opponent in a sexual degrading way, how is that for starters /nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. she is under investigation?

[Labors of Hercules]

23. BULLSHIT. This is dirty pandering politics at its worst.

and this decision was every bit about gender and I hope McCain CHOKES on it.

:grr:

[still_one]

36. I am not referring TO THAT, I am referring to sexual references about her

that are in quite a few threads

Pandering is absolutely right, but degrading sexual references are not

[Labors of Hercules]

41. agreed with you there.

:thumbsup:

[still_one]

52. I should have made it clearer what I meant in the start thread, thanks

[goodgd_yall]

24. Sad to say, I'm not surprised.

It's unbecoming of a Democrat.

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Amen

still_one

I dislike her - because she just stood up there and said she doesn't really know what the Veep does.

:wtf:

Just like I like Hillary, Madeleine Albright, and Nancy Pelosi - because they are intelligent, experienced, and CAPABLE.

There are plenty of things to knock "THAT" Woman on. Having a vagina shouldn't be one of them.

That said - can we start calling her "THAT" Woman? Since she's not one of yours (men at D.U. picking on her for having a vagina).


Hmm - I think there are many Democratic men who feel like - hey . . .:mad: they blast OUR women. We are going to blast THAT woman.:mad:

Maybe we should give them a day to get it out of their systems and they'll go back to their normal sweet pea selves tomorrow! :-)

[DevonRex]

38. Picking topless Palin IS the sexist insult. Pointing out that she

wouldn't have been picked if she weren't female and cute is not sexist.

It's like McCain is saying that NO woman is really qualified so he might as well go with someone who poses sans enough clothes on magazine covers.

[cwydro]

42. Yep. nt

[high density]

43. The media is telling this is a whole new game

because she is a woman... Is that sexist?

[demo dutch]

44. It speak volums about McCain, young, pretty and low on experience

[Doctor_J]

58. Oh, great. A PUMA member weighs in

:eyes:

[eshfemme]

59. Yes, there are some gender-coded insults that should be avoided but telling it like it is shouldn't

be avoided like it's a bad thing. I won't knock her for choosing the traditional female role of being a mother because that's admirable.

But I have a HUGE problem with someone who fucking allows herself to basically be a TROPHY for a chauvinistic and misogynistic candidate and party. She's being paraded around as a SYMBOL of what she could have been and not as a TESTAMENT to what she is. This cannot help but tell me that she got picked for her looks alone. That just fucking pisses me off.

Don't give me that fucking shit!

[madura]

61. dupe-deleted

[madura]

62. there is more sexist bullshit in 4 hours here against Palin than in

the entire primary Hillary ran in.
i call hypocrits that think it's okay to degrade a woman because she is a republican but think democratic women are somehow special and deserved of more respect.

i just hate this part of human nature.
I don't like Palin for many reasons other than her being a woman, much as I thought Hillary was all wrong for the job of Prsident.

[Ilsa]

64. It also has to do with her hypocrisy. She claims to put family values

first, but I don't see that in a woman who hands off her disabled newborn after three days and goes back to work. Something doesn't smell right with her, IMO.

[merh]

67. But his pick is purely a gender pick.

Guess he figured the token black man wouldn't work.

:hi:

[JDPriestly]

69. I'm a woman. The choice of Palin reminds me of that old joke

about stand women on their heads and . . . . That's a horrible joke with an obscene meaning, but apparently the GOP thinks that Palin = Hillary.

These are the same guys that thought that Harriet Meiers equaled Sandra Day O'Connor.

They see all women as equally insignificant.

Palin is to be respected as a mother and for her civic service on a local level. But she has only served 18 months of her first term as governor and her bios show her only other relevant experience to be city council/mayor of a little village of 6,815 people (according to Wasilla's website). She has no apparent national, much less international, experience.

Here is the rest of the information on the town in which she gained what is apparently the totality of her experience in government.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=49

The Republicans cannot be serious.

Abraham Lincoln came out of nowhere and a small town -- but he was an experienced lawyer who had spent time in cities and served in the state legislature. And he became president when a good part of the U.S. was still frontier -- before railroads reached all the out of the way places.

Palin is no doubt a nice person, but she is not qualified to have her finger on the nuclear trigger. Did she even spend a junior year abroad? What foreign policy experience does she have? Did a trade delegation from China even visit Wasilla while she was mayor?

She is intended to present the face of innocence and freshness, to front for the evil men who control the Republican Party and who will control her if she becomes VP.

Face it: Palin was the only "leader" in the Republican Party who could pass the smell test at all, who did not have a terrible scandal in her past -- or lurking in the future. That is why she was chosen.

The Republican Party has reached the end of the road, and Palin is the No Exit sign.

[ErinBerin84]

70. I won't call her a bimbo

but I will call her dim and unqualified, just like I would call Pawlenty dim and unqualified. And I do think that it's strange that he picked her when there are other qualified Republican women who do not undercut his message...it seems like pandering and it is so shitty that the media would have been all over Sebellius as being a "token" pick if Obama picked her over Hillary, while they are not batting an eyelash at the Palin pick and are already making "Joe Biden can't attack her because she is a woman" excuses...that's the real sexism that bothers me.. bleh.

[otohara]

79. What You Said

:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup:

[JDPriestly]

71. It has to do with a bunch of callous men who want their women to

be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen and who cannot differentiate from a woman who has proved herself at 60 and one who is still an inexperiened half-child at 44.

Hillary is a woman who served at her husband's side as first lady for 8 years. The Republicans think that Palin, who has 12 years of municipal experience (where she managed the town along with a city of council of 6 members) in a town with a population of 6,815. You've got to be kidding. The Republicans are the sexists. A pretty face and 18 months as governor ridicules all the women in this country who have worked hard to achieve professional stature and earned the right to lead the country. Palin is a nice woman, I'm sure, but putting her up as VP is an insult to American women and to the country. We can do better. We women do better than Sarah Palin, admirable as she is.

[AZBlue]

72. Oh geez, not again. A negative comment on a female is NOT sexism.

[Der Blaue Engel]

77. Yes, AGAIN. Because some people seem to like pretending that the huge number of sexist comments

don't exist and instead pretend that the objections are about merely negative comments.

[Solon]

80. Are you really that dense, or just pretending to be stupid?

There's at least 3 OPs questioning Palin's qualifications as a mother, not VP, many have called her a Bimbo and a Witch(double insult there for Wiccans on this board), and many question her qualifications BECAUSE she's a woman, not even mentioning her experience. Frankly, DU really tops itself in the social conservative Olympics, hell, it rivals Free Republic in this.

[Uncle Joe]

76. Some of it may be troll induced. n/t

[Marrah_G]

78. It has to do with Gender because that is WHY she was picked

They overlooked experience and judgement and picked her because she is young by comparison and has a vagina. She is in no way qualified to be President of the United States.

[kdmorris]

81. Links?

I've been here all day (vacation days are wonderful) and I haven't anything I would consider sexist. Please provide links to actually sexist comments that have been made.

She's unqualified to be Vice President, especially to a person who is so close to death as McCain is. She's unqualified to be much of anything and it's NOT sexist to call them out on it.

Women are NOT interchangeable and this entire thing was McCain's attempt to show how little respect he does have for women. If we say any of these things, it is NOT sexist. She's a Right Wing, fundamentalist, corporatist, animal killing woman who has very likely abused her power as the governor of Alaska. None of that is sexist.

It's just true.

[tinrobot]

82. She was picked only because of her gender.

A man with her lack of experience would never have been picked.

So, who's sexist? I say it's McCain.