So if Sarah Palin = Bree Van de Kamp is it curtains for her?

[Hokie]

If Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy to cover up her daughter's out of wedlock pregnancy then is this enough for her to be replaced as the VP candidate? I don't ask this lightly. I think the evidence is mounting that something is fishy about Trig's official birth story. How big a story would this be?

[billyoc]

1. Well, it would be insurance fraud.

[TheWraith]

3. That's true, besides the PR and ethical implications. nt

[Boz]

9. Who do you think is pregnant in this February picture.

Source:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/339587.html

[Hokie]

10. Wow!

I had a really bad line to reply but even I have standards. PM me if you want to know what it was. I hate that we have to discuss this but if we don't do the leg work the lazy ass media sure won't.

[kath]

13. how do we know when that pic was taken?

I haven't been able to find a date for it anywhere, nor for the outdoor family photo (on edit - ? in front of a mountain) that included son Track.

[onenote]

28. based on the ages in the caption, it was taken in late 2006 or in 2007

Not that current.

[MaraJade]

14. My 17-year-old daughter

gets a big belly like that every month due to menstrual water weight gain.
She is being treated by a Pediatrician and a Gyn for it.

You people are STUPID.

STOP BASHING KIDS, or you will cause Obama to lose.

STOP IT IMMEDIATELY.

Sheesh!!!!!

:wtf:

:eyes:

Stop involving the children--stick to the issues. If Obama needs to trash Kids to win
he is a sorry excuse of a person indeed.

Stop MOBBING AND BASHING young girls. Stop IT NOW!!!

:grr: ( I am ONE very angry mom)

[Egnever]

18. You probly said the same thing when the enquirer said Edwards was cheating

I am not saying this is true or not true just saying that it needs to play out. The truth will come out one way or another.

[Turn CO Blue]

19. No gluten or carbs for that week...OT, but that's the answer.

[Hokie]

20. I sent this pic to my 24 year old daughter

I asked her who was pregnant one and she immediately replied the girl on the right. She had no idea who was in the picture either.

[seaglass]

48. I have a 19yo daughter, it's amazing how many teen girls do not have

flat bellies.:eyes: I'm wondering if some people's perceptions about what "normal" teens look like comes from magazines or TV?

[mcg]

30. a news report about Palin expecting ...

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/v-printer/story/336115.html

... Palin, already seven months along, is due to give birth in mid-May, she said.

The news astonished reporters and others in the Capitol, who had no clue the governor was expecting. She simply doesn't look pregnant. ...

It does seem a bit odd.

I did an AltaVista image search
http://www.altavista.com/image/results?itag=ody&q=Bristol+Palin+&mik=photo&mik=graphic&mip=all&mis=all&miwxh=all
and found this ...
Abstract: Alaska's New First Family: Alaska's new first family stands together at the inaugural in Fairbanks on December 4th, 2006 (Sarah, Todd, Piper, Bristol and Willow). Their son, Track, was at a hockey tournament in
http://re3.yt-thm-a03.yimg.com/image/25/m4/2673336316

then tried going to the page
http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=1
Object not found!
From looking at a Google cached version, it looks like the small version of the photo
was there on Aug 23, 2008.
Of course, this might mean nothing, or could be that they don't want people seeing Bristol looking a bit slimmer.

[mcg]

37. another family picture from Dec. 4, 2006

http://www.daylife.com/photo/06HW0jLbfj2kc

[mitchum]

31. That one in green is going to be light in August...er...April

[trueblue2007]

49. Of course that girl is preggers. I showed it to next door neighbor

and she said the same thing.

She had NO idea who the people were.

[mcg]

55. a photo of Sarah Palin in Feb 2008, she does not look thin ...

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:H0AvasrVOeEJ:gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php%3Fid%3D104+Sarah+Palin+presented+information+about+Alaska%E2%80%99s+gas+pipeline+to+the+Hoover&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[Turn CO Blue]

24. They would have also been lying on the birth certificate,

mistating both the maternity and paternity of this child, and denying paternity rights to the father of the child (by omission and commission) and the doctors would have been lying too.

The pics do look like a baby bump on the girl, and Sarah Palin does not have the double chin and swollen hands/wrists in the pics that most pregnant women get. And the daughter was the one holding and rocking the baby during the speech today - the whole time - very maternal - and she kept the blanket covering the front of her body the whole time.

I'm not sure why I'm pointing these out - it all seems extremely far-fetched to me. Like something from the '50s.

They'd have to have a doctor in collusion, maybe even a hospital, and while protecting an underage mom's reputation is noble(although why DOES the reputation need to be protected, she did nothing wrong except in the eyes of fundies - getting to choose EITHER way is what choice is about), a doctor's lying on a birth certificate and knowingly attending to a fake birth can't be ethical, can it? If it happened, which it probably didn't.

[helderheid]

2. McCain/Van de Kamp 2008!

[dflprincess]

4. And Bree is also a gun toting Republican

she'd fit right in!

[helderheid]

8. the comparison is spot on and explains the pregnant teen story

[Colobo]

5. That would be the greatest thing ever.

[TexasObserver]

6. it will be the second coming of Thomas Eagleton

She'll have to go.

Cue Mittens. He's hangin with his homies, letting the dogs out and getting bling bling.

[shanti]

7. her integrity

or lack of it, is the thing here. if you're going to accept the nomination to the vp of the usa, you'd better be able to handle the scrutiny...and there WILL be scrutiny.

[MaraJade]

11. YUP!

When Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton a "dog," there was very little disagreement
even seeing that the CHILD was a young teen at the time. His abuse of the CHILD was
unconscionable at best, and outright shameful.

But we Dems can feel free to abuse a CHILD, just because of the circumstances of her birth.

Let's bash and accuse her because McCain picked her mother as VP! Lets' carry TALES
and trash a kid!!!

Forget about the ISSUES!

Her mom is A WOMAN, and so we can all feel free to call her a BAD MOM and bash her!!!

So lets accuse Palin's young teen daughter of being pregnant and accuse the mom
of covering it up (AS IF THIS IS ANY OF OUR BUSINESS AT ALL!@!!~!!) in order to
make Palin look bad. We (who purport to believe in freedom of choice) need to trash
a Kid.

Let's BASH THE WOMAN. That will get Obama elected. The more we as Democrats bash
women, the better we look. Let's call Palin's teenage daughter a whore and accuse her
of unwed pregnancy. :eyes: (Despite the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of unwed pregancies that
are taking place among our OWN KIDS!) :wtf:

After all, this is Mr Obama's OWN approved strategy--

Let's not stick to the ISSUES. Never mind that the Repuke VP candidate supports even more
of "the same old crap" that we've endured for the last eight years.

Instead, let's abuse and accuse and torment a CHILD.

After all, that is the Democratic Way.

[Hokie]

16. So is this not a legitimate issue?

I do not want this woman to ever get near the White House. The thought of her being in the oval office is enough to send a cold chill up my spine. I said nothing about her daughter that I wouldn't say about anyone under the same circumstances. Look at the picture and read the weird story about Palin flying 12 hours after her water broke to have the baby back home. No doctor would ever have allowed her to do that. She demonstrated an incredible lack of judgment even if the official story is true.

[yardwork]

25. I think it's a legitimate issue and if Palin didn't want her family scrutinized

then she should have turned down the offer.

[madaboutharry]

45. The story of taking a flight back to Alaska

after her water broke makes absolutely no sense to me. Every woman who ever had a baby knows that you have to get to the hospital immediately not take a 12 hour flight. Something is seriously wrong here.

[Oak2004]

21. No

This is what I've posted elsewhere:

I agree with some of this but find the attempts to put the possible hidden/false pregnancy beyond acceptable discussion to be very misguided.

Being pregnant as a teen does not make someone a whore, it makes someone a victim of inadequate information and access to birth control. If the story is true, what Palin did was to construct a lie in defense of the "abstinence only" meme that is, right now, at this very moment, killing teens (and adults) around the world who are being deprived of the tools and information they need to protect themselves from sexually transmitted diseases and the damage done to very young bodies by extremely early pregnancy.

In my book, that's not a "private matter". That's not a "family matter". That's as far as you can possibly get from "a woman's control over her own body".

No, what it is is complicity to murder kids with lies. And it is 100% valid as an issue.


---------

Sorry. I'm not willing to enable child (largely girl) murderers in the name of "privacy".

[Hokie]

27. So is it legitimate or not?

I think you are saying it is a legitimate issue and if you are then I agree!

[Oak2004]

54. Yes I am saying it's legitimate

Things which serve to promote the falsehood that abstinence works and "good" kids without access to birth control don't get pregnant are fair game, in fact, highly deserving game. Of course it's necessary to be sure this is true, first.

[mitchum]

33. Public service includes public scrutiny

Also, if she is lying about the child, The Palins are guilty of insurance fraud

[RagAss]

12. We don't need to do anything....

These folks don't live in a vacuum. People knew them...people will talk....they always do.

[MaraJade]

17. So. . .

People are going to talk about a child's monthly water weight gain. . .?\

I don't know what to say????

Obama WILL LOSE if you people keep bashing the KIDS.

Sheesh!!

Callow and stupid and HIGH SCHOOL!

:grr:

STICK TO THE ISSUES!

[Tansy_Gold]

35. WE AREN'T BASHING THE KID!!!!!!!!

Jesus H. Christ! Where oh where do you see anyone accusing the kid of anything?

We're going after the mother for possibly lying to save her own reputation from the "stain," the "dishonor" of having an "impure" daughter.

No one here on DU that I've seen anyway has said one single accusatory or derogatory word about Bristol Palin. Not one.

ALL our questions, ALL our criticisms are directed at the mother.

It seems almost as if you don't care how many lies the mother tells or what lengths she goes to, so long as she's "protecting her young." Believe me, if this story is true, Momma Bear's motives aren't to protect her young but to protect her own precious reputation. And furthermore, if Momma Bear forced her daughter to carry an unwanted fetus to term, then I'm further disgusted.

That's always been an issue with a lot of us on the pro-choice, pro-woman platform: abolition of abortion rights is the exact same thing as forcing women to have babies.

Sarah Palin is an avowed anti-choicer.

Nuff said.


Tansy Gold

[RagAss]

40. Absolutely.....

[RagAss]

41. High School ?......When our kids or our grandkids are....

Marching on Moscow, because some religious kook who thinks the world is 6,000 years old, drafted them and sent them to fight "evil in the world" then who'll be "bashing kids".....

These nutjobs are the issues !!!!

[NJCher]

47. Get. A. Grip.

You're all over this thread, coming off like a hysterical ninny.



Cher

[JVS]

15. Palin is actually the reclusive Van De Kamp fishstick heiress?

Jesus, why is everything so fucked up.

[bigwillq]

22. Wait what?

:shrug:

So the newborn is the daughter's baby? :shrug:

Any truth to this or is this just rumors right now?

[ruggerson]

38. It's how idle DU'ers like to pass the time apparently

pretend like there was a statewide conspiracy to hide the daughter's pregnancy.

[greguganus]

43. everyone needs a hobby. n/t

[Hokie]

23. I think the totality of the facts make this a legitimate topic for discussion

1. Palin makes no mention of the pregnancy until she is in the 7th month and many are "shocked" when she says she is pregnant. Source: http://www.adn.com/front/story/336402.html

2. Palin goes to an energy conference in Grapvine, Texas during her 8th month. Her water breaks, she says she talked to her doctor, then gave a 30 minute speech and then flew back home on Alaska Air commercial flights and "didn't tell the pilot or crew of her condition". http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/04/governors-water.html

3. No picture shows her clearly pregnant.

4. Their daughter is removed from school for several months suffering with mono.

OK, maybe there is nothing to this but if you read the weird story of her returning from Texas to have the baby in Alaska I think that this is a legitimate issue.

[Turn CO Blue]

26. Daughter out with mono - link?

I thought they were home-schooled. Out for several months in the same time-frame?

[onenote]

29. do you have a link to the fact that the daughter was out of school

I see your links to the other points, although I've seen contradicting descriptions of whether her water "broke" or whether she merely had a leak of amniotic fluid (which can and does occur at various stages of pregnancies, typically in the latter stages).

[Hokie]

34. Not definitive but here is one

This is the least well documented part of the story:

http://www.entertainmentweakly.com/blog/

On March 5th, 2008, Alaska's Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.

The controversy arises from two sources: First, Palin does not appear pregnant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months. While this is debatable, you can judge for yourself here: http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php

Second, Palin's daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.

With some leg work this should be easy for a reporter in Alaska to check. I think something like this could be hidden at the state level in a rural state like Alaska but if this is a real cover up it will unravel when the tabloids start spreading the money around. I am still McCain would have chosen her with the stuff I have seen that is swirling around tonight on the troopergate, creepy husband, and Desperate Housewife stories. Makes you wonder how thorough the vetting process for her was.

[NJCher]

46. nice research

fast and concise.

Hey, let's forward this to the reporters who broke the John Edwards story at that tabloid.

I would just love, love, love for this to blow up in the faces of republicans.




Cher

[madrchsod]

51. your link has been pulled

[FatDave]

32. I'm really on the fence on this one

The flight back is fishy. Where's the Texas ER doctor?

Not showing for 7 months. Unlikely, but not unfeasable.

Not telling anyone you're pregnant for 7 months? Given the risks of pregnancy at that age and foreknowledge of Down Syndrome, that makes a lot of sense.

Also there's this:


But...

If you can show me that the daughter's mono absence is real and times with the birth...well, you may have something.

[Nine]

36. but it's not as if she would have had an abortion

Why wait to find out about Down Syndrome before announcing? And it doesn't take seven months to do an amniocentesis.

I personally think this story is true, as bizarre as it seems, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist type at all.

[Hokie]

39. If it is true then she is toast

She carried on a deception (AKA lie) at minimum, and possibly a fraud. Again, if true.

[TheKentuckian]

44. If it's true it's legit

but I'd prefer it break after the nomination, if that's the case.

Look, Palin is a Republican so chances are she is highly shady.

This is clearly too Springer for the campaign to be in any way dealing with but if a wrench can be thrown, throw it.

[WeDidIt]

42. I don't think DU needs to go here

other than to follow it.

No need because every news organization is already going there.

I guarantee you, every last rumor we've heard in the past 24 hours about Palin IS being investigated. Also, about three or four times as many rumors we HAVEN'T heard are also being investigated.

They SOOOOOOOOO did not fully vet this pick.

[trueblue2007]

50. No need because every news organization is already going there. HUH???

how do you know this??

I haven't heard a SQUEEK on tv about this false preggers story. Am I missing something.

What stations have you been listening to/ reading?

[WeDidIt]

52. Every news orgnaization went down the LArry Sinclair road

Every news organization went down the Edwards Love Affair road.

You heard nothing about LArry Sinclair because there was no there there.

You heard about the Edwards Love Affair because there was a there there.

I guarantee you, they are looking into it. After the Edwards affair story, nobody wants to be scooped by The Enquirer again.

[helderheid]

53. morning kick