Palin + fake PUMA hype = plausible excuse for exit polls not matching vote tally

[yurbud]

It would even be a better excuse than in 2004 when they said Republicans were more reluctant to answer exit pollers questions: they can say the disaffected Hillary voters were ashamed to say they switched parties and voted for McCain, which would also explain why McCain wins even though Democrats have record turnout and new voter registration.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. I put nothing past them.

Sure, this is a possibility. They're already setting up the background story. I really think PUMA is a Republican-front organization. They supported Hillary the same way Limbaugh did--for hostile political reasons.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Absolutely nothing. You bet

[lligrd]

2. Yep, The Theft Is In The Works nt

[Botany]

4. egg zack lee

Oh look all those Hillary voters went to McCain.

[glitch]

5. I don't even think they care if it's plausible or not, as long as no one questions it.

While I think they'll try it, I don't think this new scenario they've manufactured is all that plausible.

IOW, more bush league rovian manufactured "reality" that can't survive analysis (which is why analysis is so discouraged -- will the media do it? Congress? of course not).

[MaraJade]

6. Let's keep the Woman bashing and the Hillary BASHING

going strong!!

The more alienation of women the better. This will help Obama to win!

[melody]

8. No one is bashing women here

If they were, I'd be the first person to argue with them.

[skooooo]

9. ..

:eyes:

[yurbud]

12. How is this woman bashing OR Hillary bashing? I wasn't even talking about how actual women will vote

but how the PUMA scenario could be used to claim McCain legitimately won when he didn't.

[Liberal Dose]

16. Did you post that in the wrong thread? Very out of place on this one and doesn't make sense. eom

[Catch22Dem]

21. What in the FUCK are you fucking talking about. I swear it makes me want to FUCKING SCREAM!!!!!

:mad: :eyes: :mad:

[yurbud]

23. well-said.

[Damian the LHP]

25. Just stop it.

All this concern troll "OMGZ TEH SEXIZM" garbage is exactly why they think they can get away with shit like this. You want to play victim? Go to the PUMAs and ask them to let you in, because as long as you're doing this here, you are NOT WELCOME.

[tridim]

7. No worries.. I bet 9 out of 10 voters don't even know what PUMA is

[whatchamacallit]

10. Holy Shit, that could be it!

The media have gone nuts trying to keep the PUMA thing alive.:scared: :scared: :scared:

[kitkat65]

11. I posted the same scenario earlier today.

There's something seriously fucked up with those PUMAs and Just Say No Dealers. Their argument is completely illogical and pathologically anti Obama. It's Bizarro World.

[yurbud]

14. It's PR-o-world: astroturf. When people get that excited about something that

makes no sense, they are being paid to do so.

[alydar]

13. Don't think so -- they already have the "Bradley Effect"

[Liberal Dose]

15. My thoughts exactly. Nothing is too farfetched or heinous. nt

[mod mom]

17. Scientific Am (8/18/08): "Planning to E-Vote? Read This First"

August 18, 2008 in Technology

Planning to E-Vote? Read This First

With less than three months before the presidential election, the hotly contested state, Ohio, along with others, continue to have problems with E-voting technology

By Larry Greenemeier

ELECTRONIC VOTING: Most states have invested in some type of E-voting technology. Are they confident enough to use it on election day?
In their rush to avoid a repeat of the controversy that plagued the 2000 presidential election, and to meet the requirements of Congress's hastily mandated2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA), states and counties flocked to electronic voting systems they hoped would eliminate hanging chads and other flaws inherent in paper-based systems. Six years later, with another presidential election less than three months away, many e-voting systems are fraught with security glitches, and the technology has yet to prove itself as the solution voters were looking for.

Such systems could allow voters and poll workers to place multiple votes, crash the systems by loading viruses, and fake vote tallies, according to studies commissioned by the states of California and Ohio within the past year. Makers of these systems have countered that the test settings were unrealistic. But that is not helping election officials sleep better at night.

One of the reasons e-voting systems turned out to be such a failure is that the only people involved in checking these systems were the vendors, who wanted to sell their technology, and the local election officials, who were ill-equipped to understand the security issues, says David Dill, a Stanford University computer science professor and founder of the Verified Voting Foundation, a nonprofit organization pushing for the implementation of voting processes that can more easily be verified and audited. "There was a certification process in place," Dill says, "but it had very little to do with security."

Dill is the author of Attackdog, threat modeling software that can examine more than 9,000 potential ways a voting system can be attacked, including computer hacking, ballot tampering and voter impersonation. Attackdog is part of a larger effort called A Center for Correct, Usable, Reliable, Auditable and Transparent Elections (ACCURATE) , which was launched in 2005 by the National Science Foundation with $7.5 million in funding. "Nothing we do now will affect the November election," Dill says. "We don't know how to make secure paperless voting."

-snip

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=electronic-election-day#comments

[azmouse]

18. The scenes of unity from the Dem convention

put that BS to rest.

I'm not worried about November.

[yurbud]

22. the point is not whether there is actual unity but whether Republicans can claim furtive defections

gave them victory.

The media obviously overplayed the PUMA business.

[hasssan1]

19. I am very concern as well. I hope Obama's camp is ready for GOP cheating again and be prepared

[Life Long Dem]

20. Why can't the same line of attack used on McSame be used on Palin?

There was so much discussion on what and what not to attack McSame over.

I see none of this caution with Palin.

[yurbud]

24. I haven't followed PUMA shtick on TV. Has any bothered to background check the most vocal?

And see if they are who they claim to be?

In light of that gun control activist who turned out to be a mole, and the astro-turf phenomena in general, it is hardly paranoid to suggest it.

[kitkat65]

26. I've done some googling and the most I could find regarding Darrah Murphy

of PUMA is that she dontated $500 to McCain in the 2000 primary. She also claims she gave $650 to the Hillary campaign. There is some controversy over certain monies that have been dontated PUMA and just what exactly was done with it. This was all on the blogosphere. Unfortunately, what I found was very incoherent, frustrating and I could never get to the original and reliable source for any of that information.

[yurbud]

27. I googled one of the screaming women once and her name only came up as a lake in wisconsin