Botany
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:20 AM
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Palin: A guess, a prediction, and observation |
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Guess: Is that lots of people turned down McCain for the V.P. spot.
Prediction: She is not going to be his V.P. come November. Her ethics problem w/ trying to fire a State Trooper who used to be her brother in law looks pretty bad.
Observation: McCain's lack of prior contact w/ Palin and his lack of vetting her will turn his campaign into a punch a line. I think McCain just sunk any chance he had @ all of winning.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:22 AM
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Guess: absolutely agreed. I bet KBH turned him down for sure.
Prediction: scandals move slowly, so I doubt that Troopergate will be resolved by the election, but it won't matter. It currently hangs and will hang over her like a cloud and makes her an even more disastrous pick than she would have been anyway. As I just said on another thread, it makes the pick insane, actually, and delusional.
Observation: I think you're absolutely right. And I love it. :-)
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:27 AM
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Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 07:28 AM by Botany
I think McCain took Palin because "people" told him he could not pick Lieberman.
I think the trooper / brother in law / firing the person who would not fire the brother in law scandal is going to get white hot ASAP.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:45 AM
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15. And that investigation is revealing that her husband has been calling the shots |
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In turning over email records from her staff, it turns out that they regularly exchange emails with her (non-elected) husband regarding abortion legislation and other legislation. You know what fundies like Sarah and Todd believe - wives be subject to your husbands, etc. There is also evidence that Todd Palen used the governor's office (when she was out of state) for a meeting to press a state employee to fire another employee.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:32 AM
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9. I read somewhere on DU that the investigation would wrap up |
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:33 AM
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I remembered that while I was writing - - I saw the same thing you did about that, I bet. But I sort of doubt that end of the investigation will be the end of the scandal.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:23 AM
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2. Bet He Didn't Ask Romney or Huckabee |
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:26 AM
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4. Agreed - he got HIS first pick. |
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:32 AM
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12. He wanted Lieberman, his aides told him no way. |
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:24 AM
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3. Agree about your observation. This pick is more about McCain's judgement & temperment. |
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And he really failed when he picked someone he met only once and didn't properly vet. How in the world did he make this important decision? Look into her eyes and see her soul?
This will play into the Democrats theme that McCain sorely lacks the judgement and temperment that Obama has clearly shown the country over the last 20 months.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:32 AM
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11. The media will NEVER call it for what it is. |
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but you are SPOT on that this highlights his judgetment and temperment. He was to vain and egotistical to pick Romney, who BOTH was well qualified AND was his very best shot to win the race. He was too vain and egotistical to even go with the marginally solid second team options like Pawlenty or Hutchinson.
In the end, he picked someone who was not the LEAST bit threatening to him, and is real easy on the eyes.
THE story on all of this.
BO picked a HIGHLY qualified VP who was properly vetted. McCain picked someone stunningly underqualified, based on impulse and with very little vetting.
THAT is the story here - will the media call it for what it is? That in their one major executive decision prior to the election, BO showed immense discipline and judgement, and that McCain made a childish choice that will leave this country at great risk?
OR, will they talk about mooseburgers and the "Mavrick" throwing a changeup and how the Obama camp needs to be careful not to overplay its hand?
Anyone want to put money on this one?
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:26 AM
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5. I HOPE you are right. But, I don't think it's realistic for a few reasons. |
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1. Republicans are above the law. Look at what bush/cheney have gotten away with. Why would palin be any different. they started a war illegally they have manipulated EVERYTHING in the justice department. Besides, the right wing will spin the story as family values she was "protecting her sister".
2. Repubs are gonna get millions and millions and millions more in donations from big donors and small donors alike. her appeal is not to the Clinton dems, but to the right wing repub base and the libertarians who would have gone to barr.
I really think we are screwed.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:32 AM
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:37 AM
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14. I would make one point |
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my initial contacts with the Barr types - the liberatarians, is that this pushes them away even more. I am no fan of liberatarians, but they do have, in their black and white way, a fundamental belief in government being run the RIGHT way. I think they fall into the category of voters who see this pick for the disaster that it is.
I do agree that the fundies are going to rally around her big time, but they would have done that with any number of other picks - Pawlenty even Romney, to be honest. They were going to rationalize it regardless, this just makes their usual superficial nonsense even more superficial.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:28 AM
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7. Wrong, wrong, and probably right. |
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The passed over 'pukes are pissed at McCain's dating and dumping them for 'a girl'. They did not say no.
Palin will not get bounced from the ticket as that would turn the race from not really close to a total cluster-fuck route.
Palin will be the Stockdale VP within weeks. Two out of three ain't bad.
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:30 AM
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The only ways I can rationalize the Palin pick is that all competent running mates turned him down, or the party shot down his pick (Probably Lieberman) and he had to call an audible. Or senility really is starting to creep in.
I can foresee her stepping down from this appointment being an even bigger debacle, no matter how it's handled. The cleanest way is that she "changes her mind" and wants to spend time with her children instead. Any other way makes McCain look even worse... he can't shrug it off like Bush shrugged off Harriet Miers. The Palin pick questions his judgment. Changing his mind would question it even more.
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