mw
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:30 AM
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Dems need to stop attacking Palins inexperience |
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That's a trap.
We don't need a "lack of experience" card to attack McCain. All we need is to keep pointing out that McCain is McCain, and that we don't need four more years of Republican malfeasance.
The "experience card" was McCain's to play against Obama. In fact, it was all McCain had, IMO. THIS is the only place where Palin's lack of experience come in play--it disables McCain's only argument.
We needn't criticize Palin's lack of experience, unless we're defending against McCain's only line of attack against Barack.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:35 AM
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1. You might as well be talking to a wall, but you're right. |
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When your opponent has a giant polling advantage on an issue that's not the issue to dwell on.
Obama doesn't gain from a national debate about who is qualified to be commander in chief because McCain has a big advantage on that narrow question. It's pretty much his ONLY polling advantage on any issue. (Terrorism and Iraq are subsets of the CIC question.) And that was doubtless considered when the picked Palin... that she would cause a renewed discussion of "who you trust to be CIC"
Since Obama will win DESPITE trailing McCain on that one issue it's a silly issue to publicize.
But you will be denounced as a troll just the same.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:48 AM
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14. I almost always agree with you, but on this, I beg to differ. |
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I think it's worth pointing out -- in case anybody missed it! -- that this was a reckless, even dangerous decision by McCain.
Comparisons of Palin's "experience" with Obama's are silly. If nothing else, change the word "experience" to "preparation." Start with the fact that Obama has a law degree from Harvard, while Palin has a BS in journalism. HUGE difference!! Obama has years of leadership experience and has worked with national and international issues; Palin has not worked with national and international issues at all, but only a short time in a small (population-wise) state, a small town, and a PTA.
This can certainly cut into McCain's margin as a man of judgment who is best prepared to be CiC. It could be said he made a political decision that puts the nation in jeopardy. And the thought of Palin as CiC should frighten anyone! So why cede all that ground?
I think Palin undermines everything McCain has had going for him. I don't see any reason to fear comparisons of her incredibly lightweight resume with Obama's experience, preparation and knowledge.
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Sat Aug-30-08 11:06 AM
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20. I agree. It's ridiculous that people are comparing the Wasilla City Council to the Illinois |
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Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 11:07 AM by Walter Sobchak
State Senate.
Palin's experience shouldn't be Obama-Biden's main attack. They need to keep up with the "4 more years of the same" line, which has really been hitting home.
But they should also emphasize, subtly, McCain's old age and poor health. People need to realize that Palin is a heartbeat away from the presidency. Some people will be willing to take that risk, but not most.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:37 AM
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'Experience' was McCain's standard.
Using McCain's and his supporter's own words about 'experience' makes it a terrific argument.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:40 AM
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4. But we don't need it. So why use it? |
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McCain is bad enough just being McCain. And McCain--the top of the ticket--has plenty of experience. So it's really not an issue we need.
The beauty of Palin is that it shuts up McCain. And he's got nothin' else.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:41 AM
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5. Except that there are people who are undecided |
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about whom to vote for and the VP matters.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:43 AM
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9. I don't think VP inexperience is really going to help undecideds |
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I'm not saying that we should never mention it. Palin's Barbie-doll McCain-accessory air is there for all to see.
It just shouldn't be anything near our central attack.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:43 AM
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10. I don't think it will be Obama's central attack. |
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Just part of a coordinated one.
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Sat Aug-30-08 11:12 AM
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21. You need to differentiate between what Obama/Biden do |
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and what we message board posters, bloggers and average citizens do.
I haven't seen Obama/Biden attack her in any way.
I think they will take the high road, as they do, and let the debates be on the issues and let her record (lack there of) speak for itself.
"We" as in DUers, are free to discuss this and everything else about McCain/Palin we like. "We" are not the campaign and you have seen how Obama works, he doesn't focus on the petty, he responds to attacks on himself and he talks about the issues.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:46 AM
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13. We need to use whatever it takes and even Republicans are |
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saying Palin isn't ready to take over if something happens to McCain. You have to point out even the obvious to some people and we can do it without putting her down - after all, it's her experience that is in question and it's obvious she has none.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:40 AM
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3. The biggest card we can play is the utter lack of judgment ... |
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displayed by McCain in his completely impulsive and borderline arbitrary selection of Palin.
It's the ultimate killer and what we should focus on. McCain's first important "executive decision" was a total flop.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:41 AM
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6. This I tend to agree. Keep the focus on McCain. |
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Here, Palin's inexperience is again a SECONDARY issue.
Keep the focus on McCain. Keep the focus on McCain.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:49 AM
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16. But you're not getting his point. You have to bring up her |
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inexperience in order to make the case that McCain has no judgment.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:41 AM
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7. Attack what she's DONE with the experience, not the length itself. /nt |
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:42 AM
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8. You're right we don't need to talk it up |
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but I don't see it being a trap. This is a blatant attempt to pull female voters and that's it, McCain and his team of scumbags led by the prick Schwartz think all women are as stupid as the one's they've been able to land and meet. Because most women are a lot smarter than the average Repuke official it's doomed to failure on that level. The only women who will vote for this ticket are the Stepford wives that always vote for the puke ticket.
Where I think the inexperience issue comes up in our favor is that the republions can no longer say that Obama is unqualified to be President because of his inexperience. What this does open up for us now IMO is the issue of McCain's age, health and overall judgment. None of that can be claimed as untouchable by the press as I think it has been over the past few weeks.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:44 AM
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11. Her inexperience can be framed by a question: What makes her ready to be CinC? |
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I saw some of their surrogates try to answer that one, and they keep bringing up the Alaska National Guard.
Next step - find a former senior member of the Alaska National Guard and have them explain the Governor's role.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:45 AM
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12. You're right. We should use it. Not the other way around. |
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I know my heading made no sense, but yes, we use the experience card now, taking it away from McCain. It's nothing we need to be on the attack with. I'd attack with the fact that for McCain it was a very risky pick, more style than substance. I'd go so far as to accuse him of rolling over to Bush's handlers, the Rove wing of that party and that he's no maverick.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:49 AM
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It doesn't matter. If people are going to vote for her on the ticket then they don't care about experience anyway.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:52 AM
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BA from Idaho in journalism
Runner-Up for Miss Alaska
Sports Commentator on a local news show
Mayor of a town of less than 6,000 (part time job)
Governor 20 months of a state with a population of 680,000
Her lack of education and experience does matter.
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:55 AM
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18. Are you fucking comparing Palin's experience to Obama's? |
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Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 10:55 AM by thewiseguy
Seriously go educate yourself. The last thing the Dems need is to take advice from folks like you.
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Sat Aug-30-08 11:49 AM
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24. Uh. No I'm not. Apparently, you are? |
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Sat Aug-30-08 10:56 AM
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19. McCain's desperate Hail Mary pass is about to be intercepted... |
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Obama, Axelrod and Plouffe know how to deal with this.
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Sat Aug-30-08 11:13 AM
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22. It's not her experience. It's her qualifications!!! n/t |
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Sat Aug-30-08 11:13 AM
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23. why? shes more inexperienced than Obama |
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Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 11:13 AM by iamthebandfanman
why not point that out ? i mean McCains whole campaign has been about how obama has no experience and he does... then he picks someone with even less experience? shows that even HE THINKS experience doesnt mean shit
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