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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:46 PM
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Why do we think Karl Rove was behind Palin Selection?
We were all talking about how much of a train wreck McSame's campaign was just a few months back. How hard is Karl working for them? We know McSame is a HUGE ego and I can't see him taking a lot of direction from anyone.

This almost looks like Karl DIDN'T have much imput.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:48 PM
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1. McCain is the decider.
His first big decision as potential President and he whiffs it.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:48 PM
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2. Rove isn't THIS dumb
This whole thing is simply astonishing. I'm even more baffled by how much conservatives and Republicans are falling all over themselves praising the choice. This is surreal.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:49 PM
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4. Exactly
I saw Republicans on TV last night saying with a straight face "YES" when asked if she could lead if something happened to McCain. They said absolutely! They are f-ing nuts and I don't believe they believe what they are saying.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:52 PM
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9. Of course they believe what they are saying
There were told to believe it.
Republicons never question their leaders, the talking points come out and they fall in line like good little nazis
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:50 PM
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6. Rove isn't dumb at all.
This whole thing is weird.
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orestes Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:49 PM
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3. Some people
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 01:49 PM by orestes
have become very paranoid when it comes to Rove. He's almost become a boogey man of sorts, and every bump in the night becomes attributed to him.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:50 PM
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5. I Could Have Sworn I Heard Some Pundit On MSNBC Say It
when she was first chosen. But I can't remember who.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:50 PM
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7. I am sure it is his dirty little trick
At some point in the future we will look back on this and realize how brilliantly evil the plan was.

We must figure out the true motive of this selection.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:51 PM
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8. KArl Rove is LIVID!
He had set the tone for the entire thing by saying back in December that the issue with Obama was experience.

McCain devestated the one and only talking point he had going for him.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:55 PM
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13. Maybe his buddies kerry and Biden talked to him...
It's not your night Johnny. Take the Dive for the good of the country.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:52 PM
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10. Because the GOP is taking a Dive this year......n/t
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:52 PM
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11. Dupe
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 01:53 PM by Ragazz68
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:53 PM
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12. I don't think he did.
He's a bastard but he ain't dumb.

MPK
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:55 PM
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14. He's An "Informal Adviser"
Rick Davis is his right hand who probably is on the phone to him constantly. There have also been many reports that he's been putting pressure on Gramps...telling him not to select Lieberman or Ridge and pushing for a more "conservative". This has the Rovian touch all over it..."turning a weakness into a strength"...trying to wedge the Democrats and create a distraction away from Gramps.

Rove has a lot riding on this election...if Gramps loses, Rove could finally face some serious music...indictment and conviction as his protectors will no longer be able to cover for him.

He's been daring Leahey and Conyers to push for contempt and indictments so he can get a blanket pardon from his buddy, georgie...the ultimate get out of jail card...and they're not biting. If Gramps goes down, Karl faces not just the wrath of many of us who want this criminal prosecuted, but from within his own party who will blame him for the loss and its implosion.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:57 PM
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15. I think he must've cried himself to sleep last night
There's no way Rove would have approved of the Palin choice.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:49 PM
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16. I still don't think this is an original McCain pick at all and don't forget Rove and his "math"
and how that brilliant strategy worked out for him. Not that Rove might not have had a hand in it, but his ego about his "brilliance" has spurred him on to continue to insert his tentacles into the management of the repuke party. Despite the fact that he was wrong about the 2006 election, he was wrong about what would happen with the Dem primaries, http://www.newsweek.com/id/129586">he was wrong about what would happen at the Dem convention (claiming it would be contested), except for this part:

Rule #5: Focus on Staging. Conventions are elaborate made-for-TV productions. We live in a culture of the visual. Every moment and every event should be scripted. The media will complain about it, but think through what messages you want and when you want them. This script must be visually powerful and interesting enough to keep the cameras on your candidate and not somewhere else. Make the spectacle personal. The Al and Tipper Gore kiss, for instance, did him a lot of good. And be sure to provide fresh content all the time. In the era of cable TV, talk radio, the blogosphere and YouTube, someone is watching and talking all the time. If you're not pressing content into all available channels, someone else will.

National political conventions are equal parts carnival, prime-time soap opera, policy lecture and weeklong party. They are easy to caricature and increasingly anachronistic. But they have been an important element of the liturgy of democracy. And while in recent decades conventions have become antiseptic, predictable and largely ignored by the national press, this year, for the Democrats, could be different.


Wonder if this is the type of thing he was recommending?



And I don't even want to get into how he managed to think that Wassila, AK was the "2nd largest city in Alaska"... :crazy:

But I personally believe that his stink is on it in collusion with the RW lunatic fringe talk hosts who have courted Palin and brainwashed masses of low information voters who support the likes of Laura Ingrate, Ann Cult-er, and of course Rash Limpalls.... who just yesterday, literally summed Palin up as the perfect pick - "Babies, Guns, Jesus". :eyes: Talk about objectifying. These are the people from afar who could make or break McLame's campaign and they have bulldozed their way into the powerbase of the party, literally declaring war with the "traditional" repukes like a McLame or a Dole, and threatening them with destruction unless they take their party to the furthest point of lunatic fringe RW fascism.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:55 PM
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17.  62,040,610 voted for Bush in 2004.

Rove got credit. McCain knows.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:10 PM
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18. Three reasons.


1. He said awhile ago that Obama's pick would appear safe but would be risky or something along those lines and McCain's pick would appear risky but....
2. His protege advises McCain (or is part of the campaign)
3. Karl Rove is a master at manipulating the right wing base and this has them super energized.
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