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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:54 PM
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Talkingpointsmemo Josh Marshall: Getting Real About Palin
Getting Real About Palin
08.31.08
By Josh Marshall

I've noticed some people who should know better claiming that bringing up Gov. Palin's troopergate scandal is tantamount to making a victim of or defending her slimeball ex-brother-in-law who allegedly once used a taser on his stepson.

That's awfully foolish. So I thought I'd put together a post explaining why.

The person in question is state trooper Mike Wooten -- Palin's ex-brother-in-law who's embroiled in a bitter custody and divorce battle with Palin's sister. Back in the second week of August, well before Palin became a national political figure, TPMMuckraker was reporting on this story. And as part of the reporting we tried to get a handle on just how bad a guy Wooten was. Most people who are familiar with the ugliness that often spills out of custody and divorce cases know to take accusations arising out of the course of them with a grain of salt unless you know a lot about the people involved. And if you look closely at the case there are numerous reasons to question the picture drawn by the Palin family. Regardless, we proceeded on the assumption that Wooten really was a rotten guy because the truth is that it wasn't relevant to the investigation of Palin.

Let's review what happened.

The Palin family had a feud with Wooten prior to her becoming governor. They put together a list of 14 accusations which they took to the state police to investigate -- a list that ranged from the quite serious to the truly absurd. The state police did an investigation, decided that 5 of the charges had some merit and suspended Wooten for ten days -- a suspension later reduced to five days. The Palin's weren't satisfied but there wasn't much they could do.

When Palin became governor they went for another bite at the apple. Palin, her husband and several members of her staff began pressuring Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan -- a respected former Chief of the Anchorage police department -- to can Wooten. Monegan resisted, arguing that the official process regarding Wooten was closed. And there was nothing more that could be done. In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin's husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, "You can't head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference."

more...


So let's put this all together.

We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It's called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired his boss. She first denied Monegan's claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.

These are, to put it mildly, not the traits or temperament you want in someone who could hold the executive power of the federal government.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php


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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:57 PM
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1. Fire away at her, I say - just as long as it's true.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:21 PM
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2. kick
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:24 PM
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3. K&R.nt
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:33 PM
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4. k&r.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:36 PM
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5. KICKED!!
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:42 PM
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6. McCain/Palin would be Bush/Cheney 2!!!
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:44 PM
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7. I'm right behind this 100 percent, lets see if this gets the 499 responses
given to the baby thread. That will be telling.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:07 PM
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11. I'd like more discussion on this..it's fascinating in its
blatant, arrogant abuse of power.

"Just yesterday, Monegan gave an interview to the Washington Post in which he said that not only Palin's aides, but Palin's husband and Palin herself had repeatedly raised the Wooten issue with him and pressured him to fire him. And now he says he has emails that Palin sent him about the matter. (In an interesting sidelight, that may end up telling us a lot, Monegan says no one from the McCain campaign ever contacted him in the vetting process.)"

And it says a LOT about john mccain's lack of judgment.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:46 PM
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8. It's the narrowness of her outlook that's so bothersome
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 04:47 PM by starroute
When she became governor, all she could think of was using her power to get back at her ex-brother-in-law.

When she was asked earlier this summer about the possibility of becoming vice-president, all she could think of to say was that she might do it if it enabled her to help Alaska.

By her own account, she wasn't even willing for her baby to be born in Texas because then he wouldn't be a real Alaskan.

This woman has no national vision, no vision of the common good, no vision that extends beyond herself and her family and immediate associates.

Whatever you may thing of McCain's American triumphalism, at least he does have some understanding of the uses of power that reaches beyond the end of his own nose. Palin doesn't.

That's perhaps even scarier than her general ignorance and lack of experience.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:09 PM
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12. mccain only understands one thing and that's
where's that next vote coming from..he did chose his "soul mate".
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:49 PM
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9. If you want sober facts...
One never has to look farther than Josh Marshall.

One would hope that Rachel will avail herself of his wise counsel from time to time.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:10 PM
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14. I'm totally in awe of TMP and Josh Marshall..who broke
the DOJ scandal?..that's right.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:13 PM
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15. Yup. They done broke it.
Josh Marshall may be the smartest man in journalism.

Most Honorable Mention: Robert Parry, who deserves much, much better.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:15 PM
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19. Robert Parry and Josh Marshall..
:toast: on our Internet :patriot: :patriot:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:59 PM
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10. Thanks TPM and thanks Florida..
"In fact, during one of the conversations in which Palin's husband Todd was putting on the squeeze, Monegan told Todd Palin, "You can't head hunt like this. What you need to do is back off, because if the trooper does make a mistake, and it is a terminable offense, it can look like political interference."

Monegan is said to be well liked in Alaska and you can see why in this instance.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:13 PM
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16. walt is well-known and has many friends. she picked on the wrong
guy. fortunately.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:18 PM
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21. I love this roguevalley...
I was kinda getting that from the articles I was reading and you've confirmed it.

There's no comeback story like someone getting canned by an arrogant egomaniac and then slowly but surely new shit comes to light and voila!

The tables are turned and so many can relate to this!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:32 PM
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23. yes, I almost feel for the oblivious chicka walking into a buzz saw
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 05:33 PM by roguevalley
but you reap what you sow and she has done a lot of hurtful things to people. I agree that it is a hoot. But I will still be watching the debate from under my couch. I hate to see people humiliate themselves. :p
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:57 PM
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24. That's because you are a decent person and I admire that quality.
She sounds like a typical republican bully. From what I know about bullies a hand extended in kindness is only seen as a weakness to exploit. I would bet she would fall in that category. She might be able to shed a few croc tears but my hunch is she is not a genuinely kind person.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 06:26 PM
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25. she isn't. sad isn't this. all sad.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:10 PM
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13. I found out about this almost immediately after she was announced
as McDouche's VP pick and a few people I know started praising her "integrity" so I said are you KIDDING me, she's currently embroiled in an ethics investigation! And I gave them the details. They went quiet.

Haven't mentioned her since.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:13 PM
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17. Like this question begs..
<snip>

"How could anyone select a VP candidate currently under investigation?"!

"By now everyone knows that she fired Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

After over 1.5 years of service by Monegan, Palin told residents that the firing stemmed from her desire to "move the department in another direction". After immense outrage from the public and media to explain the new direction she was referring to (Walt is very experienced and loved throughout Alaska), she finally came out about a week later saying that "he wasn't filling needed trooper positions".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6843783

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:14 PM
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18. OMG... an Obama t-shirt wearing kitty cat !!!


What an adorable "ObamaCat" !!! ~~
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:16 PM
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20. more "abuse of power"-just what we need in a VP!
:sarcasm:
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bigendian Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 05:18 PM
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22. forget the baby rumors.
They will bite us in the a**.

But this is something that goes to the heart of who Palin is.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:07 PM
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26. Sounds like she could be a member of the Bush family.
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