WOMEN OF AMERICA: SARAH PALIN WANTS YOU TO HAVE A RAPIST'S BABY

[Nikki Stone1]

That is what she stands for. She is against abortion in ALL cases except for the life of the mother being in danger. That's it.

She wants to revoke Roe v. Wade.

She's a heartbeat away from the Presidency, just behind an elderly man who is a cancer survivor.

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE A RAPIST'S BABY?

[Captain Hilts]

1. THAT's a good motto!!!!

[Nikki Stone1]

2. Well, K & R me dude

And we'll talk some sense into the women of America.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Here you go...

[Nikki Stone1]

18. Thanks mookie

:hi:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. When I told my 90 year old mom this

she was appalled. She only hopes she lives long enough to cast her ballot for Obama in November--and she has been a Republican her whole life.

[glowing]

4. Put it on a bumper sticker or on a T-Shirt in a nice Pink ladies t and I will wear it proudly

on the back, put Vote for Obama/ Biden '08!!!

[Nikki Stone1]

8. Do you know someone who could make T-shirts like this?

I'd wear it too.

[glowing]

11. Cafe Press.. you can make your own t-shirt design

[Nikki Stone1]

19. That's a good idea.

Let me check over there.

[seabeyond]

5. murder is murder. if i have to have a rapists baby, a mother has to die.....

that is the thing with this argument, or else becomes punishment or hypocrisy. all or nothing. if it is murder in someones mind, there is no justification. not rape, not incest, not mothers health

[glowing]

9. But most people aren't that adherent to their beliefs.. only 30%'rs are stuck

on this notion that if raped they have the baby..

[seabeyond]

15. exactly. my point being is the hypocrisy. when they say except..... then it is you hypocrite

when they say no abortion unless rape incest or mother health, then you say, you fail. if it is for murder, then cannot justify any murder. otherwise not about murder but moral judgment and punishment cause female promiscuous. if they say all but mothers health, then you say, no mother has to die. murder is murder

i personally am not in position to judge. i dont like abortions. so i will not get one. i have also not been in a position of that belief being challenged, so i cannot speak to it. i also can see the hypocrisy of saying abortion if rape, but no abortion to the 15 yr old preg and kill herself cause she cannot tell her parents. who am i to decide who is in great enough need of an abortion and who is just being irresponsible

and that is without including argument of when life begins

[Nikki Stone1]

21. Would you force your daughter to carry a rapist's baby?

That's the question.

[seabeyond]

24. i like someones post that says it is the bill of rights for rapists

they get to chose who will birth their babies.

[Nikki Stone1]

36. A Bill of rights for Rapists? (So you'd make your daughter carry a rapist's baby?)

:wtf:

[seabeyond]

40. you are interpreting my posts incorrectly each time.

i am not an advocate of anti abortion and have clearly stated that. jump on someone else.

wtf backatcha

[Nikki Stone1]

41. OK, what do you mean by "A Rapist's Bill of Rights?"

And I don't know how anyone could interpret that as a positive thing. (Except a rapist.)

[seabeyond]

45. it sounds horrendous, does it not. blunt in your face offensive. rapists bill of rights is what

palin is advocating by saying a woman cannot have an abortion even if she is raped. to suggest that she is protecting the rapists rights to birth babies thru any woman he may deem. that is offensive isnt it.

it is offensive

it makes a person take it from the female as being victim to what you are allowing a rapist to gain. i personally have not thought about getting preg by a rapist from that angle. it is another way of being horrified by what this woman is suggesting. allowing a rapist to have more rights than the woman raped

i think it is an effective comment to outrage people on allowing palin to suggest a woman must bare the baby of her rapist

another poster on another thread put this out from another blog. i liked it

[Nikki Stone1]

47. Do you have a link?

To the blog

[seabeyond]

51. no. i had posted on the thread. it isnt in my du so has to have been at least 48 hours ago. n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

52. OK, then

If you get a link let me know

[iverglas]

61. I hope you've figured this out! -- some info

I think it's very clever. I googled rapist "bill of rights". This was the first result:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080804190603AAlRgL1

Why do Neo-Cons/Pro-Lifers support a Rapists Bill of Rights?

Extreme pro-lifers put the rights of rapists above the rights of their victims, guaranteeing every rapist the right to choose the mother of his child.

Imagine being a 16 year old girl who was raped by your father or grandfather and since you are under 18 you have to ask your rapist for permission for an abortion.

Obviously it was a rhetorical question, "asked" for propaganda purposes. ;)

The answer voted best by readers is meaningless burble. Here's the next one (with my emphasis):

The only Rapists' Bill of Rights that I have heard of is the slogan that pro-choice supporters have used to label the proposed abortion ban in the state of South Dakota. There was even t-shirts sold that said "Rapists Bill of Rights, HB 1215", referring to House Bill 1215, which banned abortions in South Dakota except in the case where the mother's life was endangered. The bill was signed into law in March of 2006, but overturned by a state referendum the following November.

(the rest of that one is meaningless burble too)


Here we go, a reasonable source:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/25/8124/93505

"Governor Mike Rounds of South Dakota today signed into law a Rapist's Bill of Rights. Taking advantage of a favorable political climate in order to appeal to his core constituency--men who violently force other women to have sex with them--Governor Rounds signed a bill that guarantees that a rapists who forcibly impregnates another woman has the right to father that child.

Hope that helps. I agree with the comment on that at dailykos: very good framing.

[JaneQPublic]

39. Precisely: Palin is for choice, only it's for rapists...

...the right for rapists to choose any woman to give birth to their children, any time, any place, and any woman, even a 13-year-old, an invalid, or someone else's wife.

The bottom line is Palin and her ilk want to give rapists more rights over a woman's body than the woman herself.

[seabeyond]

46. give rapists more rights over a woman's body than the woman herself

again.... perfect. you said better than i and will steal this too, on future threads. exactly

[Nikki Stone1]

Steal away, amiga

:)

[Nikki Stone1]

62. Steal away, amiga

:)

[Patiod]

28. And 100% of those folks will vote for McSame anyway

Good point!

[CatsDogsBabies]

6. As a mother of a daughter

I find it even more appalling that she would want a mother to force a minor child to carry her rapist's progeny.

[Nikki Stone1]

Then start your own thread. Let's get these messages out there!

Everyone is so enamored of this snake in sheep's clothing.

[sandnsea]

7. She wants your daughter to have a rapist's baby

Even if it will mean your daughter will never be able to have another baby, ever again.

We need to be pushing fathers to think about their daughters.

[Bread and Circus]

10. Even though your OP title sounds harsh and far-fetched, it's the truth...

Women will be raped and become pregnant in this country, it is inescapable.

Palin, if she were to have the final say, would decree that those women must have those babies.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

[Nikki Stone1]

14. It may be harsh, but it is not far fetched. In 2005, there were almost 150,000 rape victims

in the US. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/cvusst.htm

[Iris]

27. And how many of those did not become pregnant b/c they were given the morning after pill in the

emergency room, another thing this woman would not agree with.

[Newshues]

17. problem is

If Palin had the final say she would defer to the constitution.

She's refused Republican efforts to put unconstitutional restrictions on abortion in Alaska, she's also refused efforts to hold special sessions to end run around the state courts on a parental notification law.

She doesn't agree with gay rights but veto's legislation that would unconstitutionally discriminate against gays.

There is plenty to go after Palin on with distorting her record.

Palin won't work for gay rights.
Palin won't work to expand access to abortion.
Palin will work to put abstinence education in schools.
Palin is just a basket case of contradictions.

Just keep it simple, do you really want a lunatic in the VP slot?

[City Lights]

13. Way to frame the debate!

:thumbsup:

Recommended.

[Lucinda]

16. Did you find her position on the morning after pill then? I never found anything...

FFL doesn't saying anything concrete about it either. Very vague stuff from them.

[Nikki Stone1]

20. Palin said she would make her own daughter carry a rapist's baby. (Quote)

The candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant.
Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother's life was in danger. When it came to her daughter, she said, "I would choose life."

Source: Alaska 2006 Governor Debate: AP coverage of public TV debate Nov 3, 2006

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

[Lucinda]

22. I saw the debate. She said SHE would always chose life. But she seems very much

NOT on the record on the morning after pill. Which some groups seem to support. Thats what I'd like to see someone ask her.

[Nikki Stone1]

23. Jane Smiley has some info:

"Sarah Palin and her church and her pastor have made themselves abundantly clear on issues of reproductive privacy -- there won't be any. In a Palin world, if my daughter wanted birth control, she wouldn't be able to get any, and if I wanted sex education to be taught in my son's school, I would be out of luck. If a girl I knew were raped and impregnated by her uncle and she elected to have an abortion, she would not be allowed to do so. She wouldn't even be allowed to take the morning after pill in case he got her pregnant. Maybe there's something you guys don't get about this. Bristol Palin's pregnancy is at the heart of what women and the right wing have been fighting over for thirty years, and it isn't abortion, it's privacy and the right to control your own reproductive choices. There will always be abortion, and there will always be choice, but Palin would like the choice to be illegal and punishable. Same with birth control."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/womens-issue_b_123120.html

[Lucinda]

26. Thanks for the link. I know the birth control sentence in that is incorrect

Palin is pro-contraceptives, but I'll check it out. And she is anti-explicit sex ed, not sex ed in general. Who sets what is "explicit" though is another matter entirely.

FFL is creepy in some of their smoke screens. I don't know why it should be so difficult to find out their position on MA pills. "Yes" "no" or "our members are of both opinions" isn't that damn hard to type and put on a web page.

[mitchum]

32. Perhaps she has already done so (n/t)

[Nikki Stone1]

25. Sen. Obama received a 100 percent rating from the Planned Parenthood Action Fund.

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/campaigns/barack-obama-endorsement-111.htm

The choice for women who want to keep their reproductive freedom is clear.

[Lucinda]

30. Yup. There is NO doubt that Palin would support pro-life legislation.

McCain and Cindy are are less hardcore, but Palin appears to be pretty firm.

[Nikki Stone1]

34. She's a definite anti-choice hardliner.

She must be defeated.

[Liberal Dose]

29. Kick

:kick:

[Nikki Stone1]

55. Thanks

:kick:

[kestrel91316]

31. Uh oh. Now the DU PC Police are gonna be all over you.

You're not supposed to pay any attention to her. She's unimportant. :sarcasm:

[Nikki Stone1]

33. It's not her, it's her positions on issues I am worried about

We should be paying attention to her positions.

[kestrel91316]

44. No, we're not allowed to. She's "unimportant".

Funny..........I happen to think a VP who is a Dominionist, antiabortion, rapist-rights, lying, power-abusing freak just might pose a danger to this nation. But I am a BAD person for expressing concern about her.

[Nikki Stone1]

48. Who is telling you that Palin's positions are not important?

On this board?

[kestrel91316]

56. I'm not allowed to name names. They called DUers who criticed her

"stupid" and said she was a distraction and we had to talk about McCain. There are at least 3 or 4 of them.

[Nikki Stone1]

57. Nice to know DU is consistent.

:sarcasm:

She's not a distraction if her beliefs can be implemented into public policy.

[Nikki Stone1]

58. The sarcasm tag is for the title

not the interior of the message.

[Nikki Stone1]

59. You have mail

:kick:

[Nikki Stone1]

65. .

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[Nikki Stone1]

60. You have mail

:kick:

[secondwind]

35. Actually, the mother's health is also off the table,

I think she opposes abortion in every case. Am I right?

[Nikki Stone1]

38. No, she does allow for a mother's health

But I imagine it is a very small window.

[writes3000]

37. I would change "WANTS YOU" to "WILL FORCE YOU". nt

[Nikki Stone1]

42. Good idea, but too late now

The message does get across though.

[BeyondGeography]

43. It's all about God's will, you know

:silly:

[Nikki Stone1]

49. So God wants raped women to give birth to rapists' children.

Nice. :sarcasm:

[Nikki Stone1]

50. A propros, Samantha Bee on TDS re: Choice

http://www.hulu.com/watch/33419/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-thu-sep-4-2008#s-p1-so-i0

[Riddler]

53. So a rapist has a "choice" of what woman he wants to carry his baby

but the woman doesn't have a "choice" of whether to carry it or not. Typical right-wing religio-whacko ideology

[Nikki Stone1]

54. That's about the size of it.

Those pro-life rapists and all...

[Liberal Dose]

63. *Bending at the knees and puuuushing back uuuup where it belongs*

At the top :kick:

[Nikki Stone1]

64. Thanks for the kick!

:kick:

[kiranon]

66. Open season on women if they cannot get an abortion for rape.

It will be open season on women if they have no right to an abortion or the morning after pill following a rape. No one can use my DNA without my consent in making a child. Perhaps we can get some protection from patent or copyright law if we cannot get it elsewhere. (Sarcasm)

[Nikki Stone1]

67. Patent? That's novel.

How would that work?