WTH is so bad about getting John McCain a little bad press!

[unfrigginreal]

NYC_SKP has uncovered what appears to be the story that the WP has scrubbed from their website. It has to do with John McCain "potentially" abusing his power to keep the DEA from investigating his wife for her drug problems. Yes, the drug problems have been reported before but not the Obstruction of Justice charge. Read his post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7025041

Now maybe it's not a big deal in the long run but would it be so bad to hear this spouted over all the cable news channels for an entire day like we did with the Palin lipstick crap today?

I'm getting tired of hearing how we need to stick to the issues when we have ammo to fight the freaking war. That's why the GOP always win...they go after the juggular. Grow a pair folks.

There's several other links that you'll be able to uncover where you can buzz up the scrubbed story (lol) and leave comments. DO IT! Let's get some friggin press going our way for a change.

[Boz]

1. I explained it pretty simply this is a known situation,13 year over, the problem with it getting

reaired now is it will muddy the waters for when the "real" abuse of power stuff about Palin comes out in about 3 weeks.

If you fall for this and make the NEW spin on a 13 yr old story that its the same abuse of power as Sarah Palin is accused of then when hers comes out they will treat it as OLD news and it will barely blip.

Thus cutting our throat just the way they want us too, play the stale hand early with little or no stakes reward or play the hot hand with the big pot in 3 weeks.

And no any bad news is not good for us if it neutralizes the big payouts with piddly fizzles at a time that will only serve their purposes.

Why do you think this was broke at midnight 9/11 because they know it will hit the hardcores and the hardcores will spread it making it more and more fanned up and blown up with supposition and half truths and it wont hit for a few weeks until its blown all out of recognition, what are the media going to be doing, covering 9/11 and the after math retrospectives.

Then the true abuse comes out about Palin and all they have to do is "oh its blown out of proportion like that thing about Cindy McCain" they have been attacking her for weeks about it even though its on her wikipedia entry and is all in the past, You can ignore this too"

[unfrigginreal]

2. Troopergate is the bullshit story

The freaking guy was abusing her sister. You don't think most people will say "good for her"?

McCain on the other hand is a 26 year Senator that would know he was breaking the law if he interfered with the investigation of his wife. I really question your judgment as much if not more than you question mine on this.

[Boz]

3. You pobably should followup on the REAL troopergate story

Yep my judgement, I say dont waste your time chasing a story that has been over for 13 years, pay attention to Obama winning not wishfully thinking a McCain scandal will pop up and we wont have to run against him and what do you do, you defend and justify Palin's abuse of power.

Good luck with that your joining the right team.

[unfrigginreal]

4. "joining the right team"...

hmmmm. You keep saying it's a 13 yo story but if John interceded on his wife's behalf that's new news right? That's damaging news right? People are not going to feel sorry for an abusive husband I don't care what you say.

Makes me question your team as well.

[Boz]

8. You havent seen any of the interviews with the husband have you, your being spoon fed

It is a a 13 year old story its actually a 15 year old story from 1993 and it died and was over in 1993. Gosinski has trotted this SAME STORY IN THE SAME FORMAT out every year or so since. Nothing has changed about the story that Gosinski tells, the only difference this time is some guy on the internet typed the following sentence to describe it.

And it appears that McCain used his Senate staff and resources to cover up Cindy's drug use, and potentially to prevent the Drug Enforcement Agency from investigating his wife's theft of illegal prescription drugs. John McCain certainly used his political connections to begin a campaign of intimidation against Gosinski, because at the time - this was after the Keating 5 scandal - another major scandal would have derailed his career.


Lets do a simple dissection "it appears that McCain used his Senate staff and resources to cover up"

Ok this is the crux of the accusation, the big pot, the big cheese.

Is this new info nope, its been guessed at for years but a federal inquiry which closed in 1995 (you know 13 years ago) detrmined there was no such interference. So McCain has that as a shield and it has regularly been pointed out when Gosinski has made a statemnt to whatever press has paid him to repeat it.

Now what is the big new info in the sentence the guy one the internet wrote "John McCain certainly used his political connections to begin a campaign of intimidation against Gosinski, because at the time - this was after the Keating 5 scandal - another major scandal would have derailed his career."

Got it, John McCain is still here after a scandal broke in 1993 and it didn't wipe out his career, so therefore he must have covered it up.

This is circle jerk logic, made even stupider when you consider this was in the public and is public knowledge and has been written about extensively, for 13 years, hell its even on Cindy McCains wikipedia entry, hell of a cover up there John.

And lets add one more sentence from Internet Guy: Gosinski stayed quiet out of fear until today; a recent fight with cancer has strengthened his resolve.

There are literally hundreds of Gosinski links in lexus/nexus selling this story with his direct interview, over the last 15 years and oh by the way the first time he trotted it out wasn't in 1993 when it happened, it was in 1995 when he "offered" to keep his mouth shut for $250 000 dollars. An offer that even the prosecutor that look into said was borderline BLACKMAIL.

So yeah if you want to hang your hopes on a scandal that has already played out longer than you were ever on the Internet and waste your enegy chasing shadow, following the above logic and you want to defend a woman that will be your president if you dont get Obama elected you go right ahead with your bad self, but I will continue to stop people from falling into the tar pit with you.

[unfrigginreal]

13. What is YOUR problem!

First, I'm defending "a woman that will be...president"...LMAO! What I don't get is how you see that ANYTHING about her is going to sink the McCain campaign. She's a freaking nobody selected to rile up the Puke base. That's all she has done. As long as you and others keep harping on her YOU ARE MISSING the mark.

We have to beat McCain not Lipstick. The more we can ferret out about the dishonest, warmongering jerk the better. That's all I'm advocating. It wouldn't hurt to have a day or two of bad coverage for the so called maverick. The more time we spend on miss nobody the better for John McCain.

We've got to get back to an Obama-McCain race. You and others are doing the muddying by bringing up the pig..er..lipstick.

BTW, I'll admit, I may not be fully aware of the troopergate shenanigans but it's because I don't care. It's not about the candidate that matters. Now if you'd like, clue me in on why this is going to be such an earth shattering revelation given the fact that you know the trooper was an abusive asshole. Why will the public turn on Palin over this?

[Boz]

14. You should probably read what you respond to.

So yeah if you want to hang your hopes on a scandal that has already played out longer than you were ever on the Internet and waste your energy chasing shadow, following the above logic and you want to defend a woman that will be your president if you dont get Obama elected you go right ahead with your bad self, but I will continue to stop people from falling into the tar pit with you.


I have been agaisnt Palin threads all along I believe all of this is a waste of time and a distraction, all of it.

The only reason were are talking about Trooper gate is because it relates to the REAL WORLD, of today not some made up twist and turn from 13 years ago thats dead an buried, but even that wont stop the contest before us. Although there will be a hit because she did it.

My point has been all along that its a waste of energy that takes away from the prize, Obama winning the Presidency.

This new BS plays right with their narrative and people are too dense to see that attacking Cindy about her drug thing is woman abuse in a package that they can flip.

If this were poker people are too busy trying to win pots instead of the tournament, and there doing it by talking about hands that aren't even in this game any more.

[unfrigginreal]

16. Ok i give up on you Boz

It's an attack on John, not Cindy. But you are very hard headed. End of discussion.

[democracy1st]

10. what he's trying to say is we only have 7 weeks left and we can't afford to spend a week talking bs

[MrModerate]

5. You're attributing surgery with microscopes to guys who clearly . . .

prefer to take your head off with a wrecking ball. If this "slipped out" on 9/11 and a Friday to boot, it's because history tells Repulbican operatives that it'll quickly sink out of sight. Linkage with Palin's abuses to come out "in 3 weeks" seems unlikely. They can have confidence that whatever comes out about Palin -- since it might be a matter of substance, and the US media doesn't do substance -- will also disappear. Not to mention that 3 weeks away is an eternity when you're working in a permanent "now."

Also, 13 years old or not, this story is about the presidential nominee, not the veep, who (unless McCain drops dead) won't matter more than a bucket of warm shit. That makes it an inherently more important issue. However, the media really doesn't care about issues AT ALL. Their contempt for the public is so absolute that if a story is any more nuanced than "Joe fucked Jill" or "Jane shot Mike," they won't even bother to report it. They clearly believe (with some evidence) that the great mass of the people can't or won't assimilate anything more open-ended.

Of course, in fact the people aren't a great mass at all, but an infinitely varied spectrum of unique individuals to whom the imposition of a brutally demographic template is profoundly inaccurate. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! For their purposes (capturing eyeballs), the media doesn't need to deal with reality, only statistics.

My hope is that enough individual persons who show up at polling places around America (and those who mail in their absentee ballots from overseas) are disgusted and sentient enough to see through the media's artificial frenzies, to recognize the gaping chasm between Obama's character and McCain's character, and make the right choice.

[Boz]

9. And thats exactaly why I have been saying this needs to be ignored. That its a waste of energies

that could make the difference between a win and a loss.

My hope is that enough individual persons who show up at polling places around America (and those who mail in their absentee ballots from overseas) are disgusted and sentient enough to see through the media's artificial frenzies, to recognize the gaping chasm between Obama's character and McCain's character, and make the right choice.


I agree with you completely.

A tremendous amount of people are pinning their hopes on a scandal taking McCain out instead of their hopes on Obama competing with, and winning against, him. I hope some wake up and make the choice for the REAL WORLD.

[Codeine]

6. Because every time we charge out of the gate

with some stupid non-story bullshit it just inoculates them against actual damaging information, like the fact that the economy is in freefall and meltdown at the same time.

Focusing on silly shit wastes time and produces nothing. Has the Palin pregnancy bullshit hurt her or the campaign? Book banning? Alaskan Independence Party? No, none of them have, and because they were baloney any REAL attacks on her fall flat, because they have been tainted by the garbage that came before.

[unfrigginreal]

7. Uh,

this is about the Presidential Nominee, not the Veep. No more 1 sided swiftboat elections please. The public was informed of the F.....g mess this country was in during the 2004 election. What did it get us?

You've got to get in the gutter with them, i know it sucks but it Wins elections.

[democracy1st]

11. think about all the ammo the Obama campaign has yet to use

Abramoff,US Attorney firings,No bid contracts in Iraq,Corp greed and corruption,Duke Cunningham,Ted Stevens. The Obama campaign is playing softball they need to step up to the plate.

[Boz]

12. With all due respect, the vp is the president, in this case. Thats why Rove got on TV and said Obama

needs to focus on McCain. Rove is protecting her more than McCain because he knows McCain will not make the full term.

Obama needs to fight the ticket no matter who is on it.

Who do you suppose Palin will pick as VP, you know the powerless position that Dick Cheney has used as a Unitary Executive with Legislative and Executive powers and protection.

My money is on Jeb Bush, there ya go an Internet Guy said Jeb Bush and no there is nothing stopping her, if we lose this election and McCain steps down you will see a continuance of a 40 year regime, so now, why do I fight so hard to get Obama elected.

[democracy1st]

15. Have you seen the Dana Perino video saying Bin Laden was not the mastermind of 911?

[Sodan]

17. How does Rove know McCain will die?

When he apparently didn't know McCain protected Cindy?

With such powers he'd know those kinds of things?