Obama's campaign would be over, done, cooked, imploded if

[Old and In the Way]

-he used his office to allow his wife to carry narcotics for her consumption on a diplomatic passport.

-he had a scandal where he traded campaign favors for political influence ala Keating 5.

-he picked a Veep with the same skill set and experience as Sarah Palin.

-he called his wife a trollop and c++t in public.

-he couldn't remember what border Afghanistan was on.

-he kept confusing Iraq with Iran.

-he involved himself in a regional conflict that has no strategic value to this country.

-he surrounded himself with a lobbyist operation of 150 people to manage his campaign.

-he dumped his 1st wife for a 24YO heiress to a beer fortune, committing adultery in the process.

-he had a lobbyist that got him to intercede with the FCC on broadcasting licensing with a potential sex angle involved.

-he was 72 years old with a medical history of numerous occurrences of cancer.

-he was celebrating his birthday with a cake while New Orleans was drowning.

-he was in a Party that has been a governing disaster for the past 8 years.

-he had falsely fingered Iraq for the 9/11 attack.

-he had fellow Senators of his Party publicly worried about his temper and temperament to be POTUS.

-he was caught on camera celebrating his birthday with a celebrity and indicted con artist in some exotic locale.

-he couldn't remember how many houses he owned.

-he violated campaign rules about flying in private aircraft, owned by his wife, at n/c to his campaign.

-he thought rich was making $5MM/year.

-he let Michelle show up for his nominating convention, wearing $280,000 worth of jewels.

-he continued to lie about his VP's accomplishments. particularly on earmarks and the bridge to nowhere.

-he stated that Joe Biden probably knew more about energy than any other person in the US.

-he graduated 894/895 in his class and crash 4 jets while in the military.


If he were running as a Republican, these problems wouldn't matter. IOKIYAR

[liberal N proud]

1. The double standard is unbelievable

[slay]

18. This has been an issue with me for years - Republicans get away with EVERYTHING

While Democrats are put under a microscope as if looking for any tiny little flaw. The amount and degree to which this is unfair is truly sickening. :puke:

[Cosmocat]

58. I "whine" about the OP ALL the time ...

for MONTHS now, I noted each incident and the fact that he it been BO, it would have been a campaign ender.

Howard Dean had a genuine and appropriate expression of emotion, the kind of genuine expression of emotion EVERYONE says they wish a politician would display, and it ended his campaign - and he was vilifie dfor the "Dean Scream" for years, and turned into a laughing stock.

McCain has had 40-50 different things WELL beyond the scream, and the media just passes it off WHILE propogading total crape like Reverand Wright, celebrity, FLAG PIN, Michele being "mad" ...

What is even more perverse is this - BO might be TRULY exceptional, he shows the intellect, the capability, the nuance and manner to be a special president. Meanwhile, McCain IS in senile dementia.

Collectively, these puke bags should be shot for treason.

[katty]

59. it's staggering-the hyprocrisy

[jjr5]

90. Why is this the case though?

I think democrats have to hit back harder and pressure the media to report these things to the American public.

[regnaD kciN]

123. As I was saying earlier...

...Americans are conditioned to be bullies. Republicanism is a soul-match for them!

[tblue]

107. If his running mate's daughter was knocked up and son was convicted of vandalism

If his running mate had been knocked up when s/he got married

[FreakinDJ]

2. We are jealous of the Ratpublican slur machine maybe

Yep they get away with it but if a Dem even thought about it FUX news would run it 24/7

[Rosa Luxemburg]

75. SO, what are we going to do about this unfairness?

[polichick]

3. K&R - I'm copying this to hand out. THANKS!

[LaStrega]

66. I did too ...

In big fat letters, left a pile of 'em on my desk, hung one up on my anti-b*sh, anti-mcsame, anti-rethug, pro-impeachment *covered* walls at my desk (which is in a highly visual, high foot traffic area).

And I'll probably hear about it. Two months ago my (neocon) manager told me I had to take it all down. I filed a grievance with the union. He backed off. If he says one damn word to me about my most recent addition I'm gonna rip him a new one.

Enthusiastic k&r.

[rucky]

4. Rec this up!

[Steelworker In OH]

89. Is that

the big butter jesus in southern Ohio? lol. I love that statue, we go by it alot when visiting my in-laws in southern Ohio.

[rucky]

94. The Big Jeez himself.

[JBoy]

5. Welcome to Bizarro world!

[Starry Messenger]

65. I agree. It inspired my sig picture.

It would be comic if it wasn't so terrifying.

MPK

[redqueen]

6. I thought he crashed 5 jets.

:shrug:


Yeah... that liberal media... they prefer to be deferential to McCain.

[Old and In the Way]

15. I gave him the benefit of doubt on the Forrestal accident.

Still, he cost the taxpayers millions on a few of the crashes with his flying antics.

[redqueen]

21. I see... very fair of you.

Great OP. :hi:

[JohnnyBoots]

7. If BO had a pregnant teenager it would be over as well.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Bookmarked

Superb. A depressing factual statement, but superb.

[chill_wind]

9. This is EXCELLENTLY done. K & R.

[GreenEyedLefty]

10. K/R

Don't forget he doesn't know Sunnis from Shi'ites, which is kind of important, no?

[faithfulcitizen]

11. Awesome, thanks! Btw, what is IOKIFAR?

[Old and In the Way]

12. It's OK If You Are a Republican.

[faithfulcitizen]

14. oh, thanks. I saved your OP for a fight with my dad! ;)

[unblock]

19. iokifar? not iokiyar?

[Old and In the Way]

23. yikes..you're right.

Those acronyms can get so confusing...

[unblock]

27. ikwym!

:hi:

[Lucy Goosey]

13. Infuriating, isn't it? k&r

[AldebTX]

16. I Sometimes Feel

I sometimes feel I have fallen into the Star Trek alternate universe where everything is backwards.

[carpediem]

17. this is great!

and depressing because it is true

[nxylas]

20. But, but, 57 states! Jeremiah Wright!

Obama said there were 57 states and had a controversial preacher. That far outweighs that list you posted :sarcasm:

[Fire1]

40. Significance of 57 states

My problem here, is noone, moreover Obama himself, bothered to emphasize that this statement was made purely in'jest,' as a result of campaign fatigue. I insist, if Obama wants this, he better realize that politics is no place for 'nice', except in finishing last.

[kayell]

22. His VP pick threatened war against Russia

[Bette Noir]

110. And Iran.

[OwnedByFerrets]

24. K and R

[quakerboy]

25. True

but he's not a Republic. Thats what they do, thats who they are.

[mzmolly]

26. Excellent post! Now all we need is a 527 to air an ad.

:hi: K, B and R!

[hasssan1]

29. AMEN BROTHER , WHO CAN WE ASK TO MAKE AN AD WITH THIS INFO ????

What group is the toughest in our side ?? advise please

[dmr]

52. Symbolman - his work is excellent n/t

[hasssan1]

28. Excellent , Obama camp should look at this post use them for Attack Ads

[me b zola]

30. K&R

[KathieG]

31. Wow...GREAT list!

:kick:

[Forkboy]

32. Can I steal this and post it as a blog on Myspace?

For some reason I'm getting more and traffic when I post a blog about McCain, so maybe even more will see this if I post it. I will naturally give you credit.

[Old and In the Way]

37. But of course!

You don't even need a Creative Commons license! :-) Have at it!

[Forkboy]

41. Great...thanks!

When I first posted a blog about McCain I figured that a few friends would read it and that would be it, but after three weeks it had almost 200 views. While I do have exactly 200 friends on there, 190 of them are bands and not actual friends, so someone out there is reading the blogs. I figure I may as well keep posting stuff then. :)

[Old and In the Way]

44. I'd love to check it out when you post it...link it here if you can.

Not that I'm looking for attention or anything. :-)

[Forkboy]

45. Here ya go.

Hope the link works.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=289831286&blogID=432425736

[Old and In the Way]

46. Thanks!

I'd comment that this was a brilliant post if I had a My Space account. :rofl:

[MindMatter]

33. There is no double standard

The Obama campaign has DECIDED not to attack the opponent on any of those matters.

Don't expect the public to figure it out on their own.

Don't expect the media to do it for you.

OK, I'll admit it is easier for McCain because he has slime like Limbaugh and O'Reilly to to the heavy lifting. But if the Obama campaign didn't see this coming (evidently not) and have a plan to deal with it (obviously not), don't point the finger elsewhere.

[Steelworker In OH]

91. We got a few

We have Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, ummmmm I'm sure we got some loudmouth comedians and other political figures out that could scream this out for us.

keep the noise going, some people have to be picking up on it

[Number23]

34. Preach, Old and in the Way!

he used his office to allow his wife to carry narcotics for her consumption on a diplomatic passport.

Bam!!

he had fellow Senators of his Party publicly worried about his temper and temperament to be POTUS.

Boooommmm!!!!

he let Michelle show up for his nominating convention, wearing $280,000 worth of jewels.

Ka-POOWWWW!!!! :nuke:

Vanity Fair estimated that Cindy Mc's outfit, including jewelry, at the RNC came to a whopping $313,000. Folks getting put out of their homes could buy ANOTHER ONE based on the cost of that single outfit.

But according to our Freeper friends, Michelle and Barack are the elitists staring down on everyone else with their elitist eyes and eating filet mignon with their elitist mouths! The stupid is so strong it hurts.... :crazy:

[riverdeep]

128. And Ohio is up for grabs because people believe he's stuck up.

Their economy is going nowhere and people are going under; it's like throwing a drowning man a preserver and a bowling ball, and they choose the ball.

[girl gone mad]

35. Being a Veteran gives you a get out of jail free card for everything..

except windsurfing!

[girl gone mad]

36. Self delete..

computer glitch.

[tekisui]

38. That's about it. knr.

[Cha]

39. Rec'd and

an :kick: Thanks, OaITW!

Handy list of what mccain brings to the table or not.

[Old and In the Way]

42. Bummer: I didn't realize that posts in this forum don't show up on Greatest Page

oh well, I appreciate the attention it's gotten. But why be able to recommend a thread here if it's not recorded on Greatest Discussion threads?

[LiberalAndProud]

50. This is on my Greatest Page.

Have you screened it from yours?

[Old and In the Way]

51. Well, I don't see it when I click on the Star button at the top of this page.

Don't see it on the front page, either. Oddly, I do see it in the Greatest Page links in the Journel. Am I looking in the wrong place? :shrug:

[LiberalAndProud]

156. Check your preferences.

Do you have "Hide General Discussion: Primaries from the Latest page?" marked yes? I never did screen the Primaries, so maybe that's the deal.

[chill_wind]

43. Kicking.

[hasssan1]

47. We all should email this post to rachael maddow and maybe she talks about all these point on her sho

[renate]

48. you just did all the work for Obama's ad agency except the pictures

:applause:

(too bad the part about calling his wife a c**t wasn't on video and even it were it couldn't go in this ad... if it could, bu-bye, soccer mom vote!)

Well done! This is a great list!

[stlsaxman]

62. off-topic... what's with the bunny(?) wearing two pancakes(?) on his head?

especially with that caption???

i keep looking at it and thinking i must be missing the punch line...

a flapjack on a guinea pig is still a guinea pig?

looking for the big B.F.O. (blinding flash of the obvious).

[Starry Messenger]

67. Extremely obscure internet meme-age.

http://heresabunnywithapancakeonitshead.com/

+ "In what respect, charlie?"--Sarah Palin

= N.S.B.F.O (not so blinding flash of the obvious)

MPK

[stlsaxman]

70. thank you! never seen it before- but i'll start using it. it's quite good! n/t

[Starry Messenger]

72. I think it just started today or last night here at DU...

You'll be getting in on the ground floor! I hope it takes off in a big way. I think it's cool.

MPK

[Largemouth Bass]

118. When did McCain call her that?

I missed that story.

[riverdeep]

129. Documented, in 1992.

Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

When a guy, baptist minister, asked him directly, he got tossed the hell out.

http://iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=125056

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOl4iT46Eec

Undocumented, who knows?

[cui bono]

49. Now you're just being sexist.

:sarcasm:

[dmr]

53. If he hides from the media & insists upon deference when there is an interview n/t

[WindRiverMan]

54. You should make this into an email and send it out

it's good.

[senseandsensibility]

55. Send this to the media

if you haven't already. It is really breathtaking. I would even send it to the Obama campaign.

[PVnRT]

56. Yep

Must be the "liberal media" at work again.

[LibraLiz1973]

57. He would only need ONE of those things to be disqualified

That's how fucked up our country is

[RagAss]

60. HELLO ????? He's White !

[Peacetrain]

61. No Kidding

[treestar]

63. Especially about the jewels

Only the elite can wear such expensive baubles!

[JustAnotherGen]

64. Someone

Posted this at a site I have access to from work. After listening to assholes wax poetic about McCain/Palin - I got back to my desk - clicked on her link - and saw this beautiful beautiful analysis. :pals:

[GOPBasher]

68. You nailed it. I can't believe the shit in this country sometimes. n/t

[amyrose2712]

69. Do you have a copy of this sourced? it would make a good mass email..?

harder to dismiss when it is backed up with documentation. If not I can try to work on it, although I have never done it before really so it make take me forever. Just a thought.

[Old and In the Way]

73. Sorry, I don't.

You can probably google every one of the points and come up with mainstream sources for the support. I just decided to unload all of these in one place, just to purge my frustration at the obvious obliviousness of our traditional media outlets. It seems they are starting to wake up, but no one ever puts the entire body of evidence together that paints McCain as just another sleazy, greedy, power mongering Republican that he is. We really don't need a guy that takes the worst of Bush-Cheney and puts them in one package.


Strange isn't. I never see the other side sourcing their smears, but we always have to provide reputable sources, even when it's common knowledge.

[amyrose2712]

80. Cool ...no worries i will...

work on trying to source it. I know i does suck that without they never need to source. But I like to be well prepared in a debate. Thanks for responding...

[Divine Discontent]

71. I'm rewording this and sending it out to over 300 people with

the start of the sentence saying "Obama", and then saying, Oh, I am so embarrassed - these are things John McCain has done. Funny thing when the shoe is on another foot..." or something like that.

GOOD JOB with the list.

for reference, I think he finished 5th from the bottom of 899, but I could be wrong.

[Old and In the Way]

76. Take all the creative liberties you want!

I'm a little surprised that this is getting all of the attention it is. I think I once got a 20 rec post and 40 comments, so I'm thrilled that this has gone over as well as it has.

On McCain's class rank...if I err'd to the negative, the whole attack line on the piece would be focused on that fact...it's the way the RW noise machine operates.

[Divine Discontent]

82. exactly - his class rank would be their focal point of how incompetent he is! thanks eom

[Bozita]

74. I thought he graduated 5th from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy - 894 of 899

Typo in the op: 894 of 895

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCain#Naval_Academy

McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in June 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899.<34[br />

[Old and In the Way]

77. I stand corrected.

If I had known how much attention this thread would receive, I'd have paid more attention to the facts. :blush:

[NJGeek]

78. In what respect, Charlie?

eom

[RetroLounge]

79. K&R

The double standard sucks

RL

[cyberpj]

81. You can only compete and stay viable and even win with a record like that if the media is complicit.

[bertman]

83. You might be Old and In the Way, but you've still GOT IT!! Excellent post.

[understandinglife]

84. Brilliant. And, it should be an Ad ... simple, compelling, and run during NFL & World Series Games

[trthnd4jstc]

85. You Hit it on the nail. Fine summation.n/t

[Laelth]

86. It's astounding.

But the truth always has an uphill fight. At least we sleep well at night.

k&r

:dem:

-Laelth

[santamargarita]

87. Well done, thanks

K&R

[FogerRox]

88. President Putin of Germany.

[Steelworker In OH]

92. already replied

to this a few times, but K&R too. I'll be sending this to alot of people.

[marlakay]

93. unfucking believable!!! nt

[mreilly]

95. And still the Republican sheep cry "Liberal media picking on MEEEEE!"

Sometimes I feel like I don't mind the Republican politicians so much as I mind the moronic, brain-dead, programmed talk-radio-blathering automaton assholes that support them and will race out to vote for them time and time again, regardless of how poor a job they do. These are the shits that trot all over the internet spraying urine all over any discussion board they can to cry about the "liberal media" that "never gives us a chance."

I really don't know what's worse about these sewer-dwelling shitbombs: the fact they continue to worship the ass of anyone who hates taxes and loves guns (Dick Cheney never needs toilet paper when Freepers are around), or the fact they intentionally distort reality whenever possible to pretend the past eight years haven't been a total failure for this country. The Republican Party has zero credibility: their ideas have failed time and time and time again, and if this was a sane universe they wouldn't even dare to field a candidate this year, let alone a pair of shameless, incompetent liars like McCain and his know-nothing sidekick (whom the Republitards of course have transformed from an ignorant moose-hunting waste of space to the most brilliant politician since Lincoln since she has an (R) after her name)

[Old and In the Way]

98. Don't hold back!

:rofl: I couldn't agree more with your observations. It blows my mind that there are so many low information voters who are losing their jobs, homes, cars, 4x4's...yet continue to eat the talking points of Rush and Sean. Do they stop and think that these 2 guys are getting paid $250,000,000.00 (a quarter billion dollars) to convince them that their financial problems are all in their mind? That Republican governance over the past 8 years hasn't run this country into the ground? Nope...they think politics is like a baseball. They're the Yankee's and we're the Red Sox (sorry, I'm a Sox fan so I can't make us the bad guys :-))...hell we'll freeze over before they start rooting for the Red Sox. Even if it means losing everything they have, rooting on their team to "win" the game. I know one thing. If the the tables were reversed and it was the Democrats running on this record, I'd be a registered Republican today.

[Patsy Stone]

96. Such a staggering list.

Passing it on to friends and family.

K&R

[rosesaylavee]

97. Do you mind if I send this out in an email if I attribute it to you? n/t

[Old and In the Way]

99. Be my guest!

I'm honored that you'd consider this post worthy of distribution. Thanks!

[rosesaylavee]

103. Oh. Yeah. This sure puts it in perspective.

Especially for my republican leaning friends. Many of whom have made the leap BACK to sanity and are voting for Obama. Bizzaro world was wearing them down.

[ShadowLiberal]

100. Don't forget, offering 'good' reports access to him for publishing blatant lies about his opponent

Can you imagine how much the republicans would be all over any democrat for basically requiring reporters to 'bribe' them to get lots of access to themselves?

[nam78_two]

101. Excellent list

Makes me almost wish I knew someone who was planning on voting Repug so I could forward it to them ;).

[autorank]

102. This should go viral k*r

Its perfect. No more words. You nailed it!

[rosesaylavee]

104. Going to do my bit to get that to happen.

Sending this out on email with the request they send it on too. Think everyone here should consider doing that. It is well written and cuts right to the chase.

Enough already.

[Old and In the Way]

105. Thanks Autorank!

From one of the people whose writing I admire here at DU, I appreciate that. I just hope I don't need to read any more of your prescient analyses on stolen elections this year... :toast:

[autorank]

106. Welcome but THANK YOU

This immediately reminded me of "To believe Bush won the election ..."

We'll get it going.

As for stolen elections, I'm thinking this one will be tough to steal. More on that in a couple of
weeks.

Great stuff.

:toast: to you!!!

[Bette Noir]

108. Why are you hating on Cindy?

A rich woman should be able to have a nice pair of earrings.

The real crime was how she looked in that dress.

[Bette Noir]

109. But, seriously, none of this would ever come up,

because our Barack is one class act.

[lisainmilo]

111. WOW.....this really puts the double standard right out there!

Great Job! :bounce:

[lisainmilo]

112. I printed also

great job....again!

[firedupdem]

113. Maybe we need to pool some of the money we keep raising for

the campaign and buy some spots in major newspapers that just have that list of information! I really want people to read that and then say they still want to vote these people in office.

[Douglas Carpenter]

114. KICK AND RECOMMENDED ---

[pansypoo53219]

115. fuck the media gnews

fuck republikans. fuck stupid amerikans.

and fuck john mcPenis.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

117. Do you think you are intelligent?

[CounterPropagandist]

116. Why bother to run for office if your party can simply steal it?

After eight years they have had a lot of time to practice and perfect their methods. They have it down even better than in 2000.

[bradadad]

119. bush/palin hybrid

Wanted to see what they would look like melded.

Sorry dial-ups.

[LaPera]

120. Given's...Ignored....Jimmy Carter sold drugs when he was in the White House?

Republicans are motherfuckers...got to attack them!

[cyclezealot]

121. you are so right on.. BUt, when will he put these facts to use

I was critical of Obama when he called Ted Kennedy too old and said we'd have to get along and govern with the Republicans. Good governance sounds good to Democrats which are apparently more positive people. But, like to find a Republican who agrees when it's October and the election is hot. They get meaner than snakes in a Pentecost Church.

[Suprk]

122. This is being forwarded to everyone I know

Thanks

[Vektor]

124. They mocked Kerry for months for going windsurfing one time.

Can you fucking believe it? McCain (and Bush's) list of faults is a mile long, but god forbid a Democrat go windsurfing.

Jesus fucking Christ.

It's bad enough that the media participates in perpetuating this double standard, but it says a whole sad lot about the critical thinking skills (or lack thereof) of many Americans who actually buy into this crap and don't question it for one second.

[Indi Guy]

125. Republicans have a monopoly on hypocriy...

...Truth is a casualty of the Republican ideology.

For them it's enough to win; then they can rewrite history -- and call it truth.

[HughBeaumont]

126. POTC and about to be e-mailed to a dozen.

The double standard is, indeed, ridiculous. And expected, coming from cretins that put more energy into hating OUR candidate than supporting or giving even one compelling reason to vote for THEIRS.

I mean . . . how is Obama a "Muslim" (or "MusliN", if you still use crayons unironically or unartistically in your adult years ) or a "Marxist"? Anyone who uses "Red Menace" smack in 2008 needs a Buford T Justice dead kick in the ass. DUMB.

[SilverSRT4Turbo]

127. But hes a "scary" dark skinned man!

[jcla]

130. K and R

Get that Maverick 10% of the time!

[Hubert Flottz]

131. When the people who back you own the media you can get away

with everything McCain has gotten away with.

[JerseygirlCT]

132. I know. How many weeks did we spend on

Rev. Wright - and not much at all about her crazy pastor and the hateful words at her church with the Jews for Jesus guy.

Days on pigs and lipstick, but nothing much about McCain's interfering to get his wife off 20 years in jail.

When will the media start paying attention to what matters?

[barbtries]

133. did you mean Cindy?!

[9119495]

134. THIS is the Ad. Can it all be said in 30 minutes?

Why don't they do this stuff?

[Owl]

135. K&R!

[saltpoint]

136. Kicked and recommended.

Email this around to folks, everyone. Let's change the conversation.

[tnlurker]

137. kick

[Honeycombe8]

138. Yeah. Life ain't fair, is it? That's what faking it is all about (McCain's special skill).

You tromp around, bluster, puff your chest out, act like you have more testosterone than you do, and you can pretty much fake most people out. You can have them thinking that you are actually one pretty tough dude who will save the country, and nothing anyone says against you is worth a crap.

Gorillas have been doing this fake chest thumping since they came into existence.

The Repigs learned this lesson years ago. The Dems? Nah. They have never done that, that I recall. Which I guess is partly why they lose.

[Maestro]

139. Oh this is so being sent to people!

Hypocrisy for Republicans should be a mantra we keep repeating and repeating!

[Botany]

140. If -

-he cheated by getting the questions ahead of time @ a church forum

-he made jokes about how ugly somebody else's daughter was

-he had been publicly dragged through the mud by Karl Rove and then hired him

-he had said that Iraq was the source of the Anthrax

-he had said that Iraq would be a quick and easy victory

-he had been associated with people with extreme religious sects (Bob Jones University & Wasilla Assembly
of God)

-he had Gone for a photo op in Iraq that risked American lives and wound up getting 28 shop keepers killed
for being collaborators and getting a school next to the market bombed

-he had voted against Veterans benefits

-he had laughed when somebody else called a women a bitch in public

[Old and In the Way]

149. Great additions

The power of collaborative work is a beautiful thing!

[Night_Nurse]

141. K and R!

[riverdeep]

142. Can someone give me an opinion on this?

I recreated the OP with a source (or two) for each claim. Would it be better to post it here, or in it's own separate thread? It's a work in progress and it may get very tangled here.

[Smarmie Doofus]

144. I'd advise starting a new thread. For the reason you mentioned.

Good luck.

And thanks for the effort.

[riverdeep]

145. Yeah, that was my instinct too. Thanks. n/t

[Smarmie Doofus]

143. An even 200 Rs. Nice compilation. Sad but true. nt

[NOLALady]

146. K & R

[riverdeep]

147. FYI, I recreated this list with some sources in a seperate post.

It can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7054453

I need your help with critiques and suggestions.

[Old and In the Way]

Thanks!

If this is something that strikes to the basic double standards that works against Democrats and favors Republicas, it does make sense to source these points. No one seems to expect Republican smears to be sourced, but Democrats must source facts.

[KelleyKramer]

148. I thought he crashed 5 jets??

just sayin

[riverdeep]

152. As far as I've been able to find, that's not a good way to go.

This site:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_mccain_crash_five_planes.html

Says he only crashed two, it wasn't his fault, and he was a good pilot.

[KelleyKramer]

153. He crashed ONLY two jets?

Wow, he crashed two jets.

And then crashed a third jet getting shot down by the North Vietnam army.

And was involved in yet another accident that resulted in over 100 sailors dying.

Yeah.. sounds like an excellent wingman to have flying with you!

Well, at least you got one thing right...

"that's not a good way to go"

[riverdeep]

155. According to the above source,

both crashes were supposedly due to engine failure and not pilot error. The Navy hasn't released the records of his crashes, and I seriously doubt they will before Nov. A third accident involved his jet being struck by an accidentally launched missile from another plane that hit his while he was on a carrier. There were many casualties and he took shrapnel. The fourth plane was shot down and that's where he spent his time as a POW.

Military people get very resentful if you don't present the record honestly and may take that resentment and turn it against Obama.

But if you have contrary info, or a parsing of the presented info, I'm all ears.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

150. Very well said! nt

[crickets]

151. Wow, great job!

That is a damning list. K&R

[AnotherMother4Peace]

154. Kickin'

[1Hippiechick]

157. Kicking!

[crazy_vanilla]

158. so where are

the 527s?

I wish I had the funds to produce and run an add including this :crazy:

[ColbertWatcher]

159. Kick and bookmarked! n/t

[AnotherMother4Peace]

160. A good Sunday morning kick - and I'm bookmarkin' it.