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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:09 AM
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Older and Younger Voters Will Send Protest Vote on Economy
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Jennifer Donahue
Posted September 19, 2008 | 10:46 AM (EST)
Older and Younger Voters Will Send Protest Vote on Economy


We've seen the trends for years now. Young voters, 18-29 years old, are registering at a higher rate than any other age group. They gave Obama the nomination, despite consistent national polling that showed Senator Clinton ahead from the start.

Now the same polling shows a dead heat, after a month of showing McCain ahead. The only way to understand current polling data is to discard it.

The polling companies only survey land-lines and previous voters. It is illegal to survey mobile phones, which right there cuts out anyone under 29 in your survey. Traditional pollsters won't integrate the internet, even though you lose anyone under 29 by not doing it. But increasingly, you are also losing the voice of another key demographic in your polling data: retirees.

Pollsters and analysts have not realized that Obama has a lot of support among retirees. Older voters have a central concern in common with the youngest eligible voters. Right now, both age groups are looking at a terrifying number in their savings account. That number may be zero. Neither group is looking at employment in well-paying industries anytime soon. Retirees, whether they have reached retirement age or not, still need employment to pay the bills and eat more than ramen noodles for dinner. Young college graduates around the country are fighting over low-paying retail jobs at Target. Non-college graduates are in the same boat.

Young and old alike are watching the financial crisis in disbelief. Older boomers and millenials have another thing in common: they distrust the establishment. They distrust government, the banking industry, corporations and the media.


It is naive to think echo boomers (the current 18-29 year olds, also called the millenials) will not vote in November. They look a lot like boomers politically and have the same distrust of the establishment. They are also very large generations numerically.

It is a mistake by the media and political establishments to listen to the establishment polling aparati. Those in the political business ignore this concept at the risk of losing this Fall. Those in the media business are making false predictions. And those in corporate America risk a false sense of complacency if they don't realize they have more in common with these two sidelined demographics than they would like. They could be the next people walking out of fancy buildings with a few boxes of memories. No voter one has security right now, regardless of socio-economic or education level, party affiliation, industry, age, race or gender. The loudest vote this Fall will be the economic protest vote. The outcry will be loud, and much more diverse than expected.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:12 AM
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1. I agree.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:15 AM
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2. It's naive to expect they WILL vote.
Most that I talk to in that age group are completely disconnected... they believe in Nader and "sending a message" by not voting, or voting third party.

Maddening...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:17 AM
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You think?
I guess all that enthusiasm I saw during the primary was temporary. But from what I read, Obama's stellar ground game is being run by lots of young people who remain excited about the possibilities. :shrug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:24 AM
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5. Oh yeah, they'll vote...
I believe the ones who are engaged now will turn out... it's just that I don't talk to those types. Like I said, maybe it's where I live. The Obama supporters I run into are 100% middle aged and up. The younger people of voting age I talk to are downright hostile. I'm taking college courses... I have seen zero Obama stickers on campus. More than a few for McCain. I hope they're their parents' cars... but I wonder. One day last week walking into class, I overheard a twentysomething getting into a car with someone, and complaining that her professor believes in global warming.

Those are the ones where I live. The ones I interact with online are even worse, because they're the Nader true believers and think "sending a statement" means not voting for the "establishment" candidates because "there's not enough difference". I've gone on and on and on about Le Pen and did they really think Gore would be the same as Bush... it seems like a complete waste of time... I hope some of it sinks in... and maybe they'll come around... *sigh*
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:17 AM
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3. I'll assume you're referring to my age group.
And that couldn't be further from the truth--hell, if John Kerry could double young voter turnout, we can do much better.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:20 AM
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4. *sigh*
Look, I'm telling you what I've experienced. If you don't want to believe me, don't.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:59 AM
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6. Which College Is That?
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 11:04 AM
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7. K & R!
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