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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:40 PM
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Nuke flap dogs Dean
Nuke flap dogs Dean
By David R. Guarino
Tuesday, January 6, 2004

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says former Gov. Howard Dean and other Vermont officials violated federal law by releasing secret protection plans for its nuclear power plant in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
The NRC's charge had Vermont officials scrambling to impoundtop-secret nuclear documents the Democratic presidential front-runner wrongly made public.
Some of the documents regarding the Vermont Yankee nuke plant include so-called ``safeguards information,'' which is to be released under ``need to know requirements and . . . not publicly releasable,'' said NRC spokesman Scott Burnell.
The documents are included in files Dean made public - even as he opposes the release of other records on the grounds that they may include similar security or personal information.

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/national.bg?articleid=409


What is up with this guy Dean? He is totally out of it on issues of our personal safety and nation security.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:43 PM
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1. Criminal charges???
Yikes, this doesn't look too good. He was responsible for just one power plant, not the security of the whole freakin' country.

"Burnell said visible warnings on the records weren't heeded by Dean's office, the Vermont secretary of state and the state archivist - making civil or criminal charges a possibility."
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:46 PM
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4. This kind of story makes you wonder..
What other crazy stuff he has stored away in his files. Scarey stuff from a scarey guy!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:44 PM
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2. Here is my theory
Gillespie and the RNC are behind this... I ain't kidding
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:51 PM
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7. why? n/t
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:05 PM
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12. explain
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:46 PM
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3. kinda a dupe
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:48 PM
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6. NO DUPE AT ALL
This is its OWN subject heading given to others to get all info out as needed.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:47 PM
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5. damn....
if only a homosexual had written to him on the subject, the info would've remained sealed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:58 PM
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10. *chuckle*
:P
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:53 PM
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8. Um, it is a dup...
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:57 PM
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9. well yours fell back
I didn't see yours bud. Don't take offense. The main thing is the info gets out. Thanks for your post.
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:58 PM
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11. No offense taken
Just setting the record straight...
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:09 PM
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13. This looks like an error made by a Dean staffer.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 07:10 PM by FubarFly
There is no evidence suggested linking it back to Dean. It is a bit annoying that someone screwed up that badly, but the issue should be resolved fairly quickly. That won't stop the media from trying to sensationalize the incident- anything to protect their beloved leader George Bush. This does however make a good argument as to why Dean should be careful about rushing to release the rest of his records. There really are things in there that shouldn't be public.


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Dean campaign spokesman Jay Carson refused to comment. But Vermont Secretary of State Deborah Markowitz, a Democrat, said her office is equally to blame for the gaffe.

``Because of the very quick and intense interest in Gov. Dean's records, we simply missed this batch,'' Markowitz said. ``It was ultimately a result of the pressure our office had, we weren't ready for it.''

Markowitz said governors are supposed to exclude data not subject to public records laws. But, she said, her office is the last check. ``We're the custodian of the record. The buck stops here,'' she said.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:15 PM
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14. Always seems to be a Dean Staffer...
God forbid Dean should ever make a decision!
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:17 PM
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16. Do you realistically expect Dean to personally go through every
file in every box?

I'm not saying that Dean shouldn't take some sort of responsibility, but he hasn't committed a criminal offense.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:34 PM
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27. and where does the buck stop?
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:35 PM
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28. With Dean of course. n/t
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:46 PM
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32. Apparently not.
eom
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:49 PM
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33. In the sense that he is a criminal?
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 07:50 PM by FubarFly
No.

In the sense that he is reponsible for the actions of his staff?

Yes.

Is this a real incident? Or is it a calculated exaggeration by his opponents?

I guess we'll find out.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:25 PM
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19. Or take responsibility
He's a lot like Shrub in that way..
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:28 PM
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23. He should chastize/ or fire the staffers involved,
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 07:34 PM by FubarFly
and apologize for the error.

If there is a foul here, based on his history, Dean will take responsibilty- he is nothing like shrub in that respect.
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:42 PM
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36. Boy this sounds so familiar!
But, she said, her office is the last check. ``We're the custodian of the record. The buck stops here,'' she said.

falling on the sword is such a noble gesture


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”

So I read this book

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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:21 PM
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18. I love the way his supporters take this so lightly
Do you understand the gravity of this article? This isn't a nit picking issue for some dumb election process. This is something that makes many if not the majority of Americans scared shitless.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:26 PM
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20. No, the Boston Herald is trying to make you scared shitless.
I'm only explaining trying to reasonably explain the error.

Frankly, if it was that important, I can't see how all parties involved would have missed it. My personal feeling is that the papers are not as sensitive as originally reported. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:31 PM
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25. Really?
Ok now try selling that to the MAJORITY of America.

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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:32 PM
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26. I'll do my best.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:36 PM
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29. np
You need all the help you can get but hey, I wont be the one to shoot down anothers dreams.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:38 PM
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30. Thanks!
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 07:38 PM by FubarFly
And if Dean wins the nomination, they will be your dreams too.

The right wing attack is inevitable. If we allow them to succeed and b*sh wins in 2004, all of our dreams will be dashed.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:16 PM
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15. More like "Lack of issues dogs Dean opponents"
Ya heard?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:18 PM
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17. yeah, this should blow over soon
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:26 PM
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21. I really hope so. It's such a waste of bandwidth.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:27 PM
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22. It sure will
Just like the Plame investigation, and Osama binForgotten, and using funds for social services to pay for campaign trips.

Nice when the media's on your side, isn't it?
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:29 PM
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24. So True, Kudos
:yourock: All the candidates should be so lucky!
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:44 PM
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31. Releasing secret protection plans for nuclear plants -
is that really a big deal? I mean if there is no information in there that might embarass Dean during his Presidential campaign then why should we care? I mean it's not as if terrorists could use this information to ... oh, right.

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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:53 PM
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34. Yea, what the heck were they thinking
As long as the guy isn't "emabarassed" what's the big deal. What's wrong with all of those that use information like this to rationalize his behavior if he were president.

Those darn free thinkers.:shrug:
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:29 PM
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35. The man is a disaster
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 08:30 PM by retyred
waiting to happen, if dean does get the nod, we are so screwed, it'll be a bush blow out!


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”

So I read this book
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:07 PM
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37. Dupe
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