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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:41 PM
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John McCain does NOT know us Veterans
While watching the debates, I grew angry at McCain on a number of points he made but the one item he said that made me want to throw my TV through a window was when he said he knew the Veterans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMS0sYBwzmo&feature=related (go to 5.51 into the vid.)-"I know the veterans and I know them well and I know that they know that I'll take care of them well and I've been proud of their support and their recognition of my service to the veterans and I love them...."

The very notion that we vets 'know that McCain will take care of us well' is utter HORSE-SHIT! His voting record speaks for itself!

Here is just one of many articles put out by Veterans groups regarding Senator McCain's voting record:

"McCain's Voting Record: He Does Not Support Our Troops and Veterans
from Veterans For Common Sense, Tuesday, February 26, 2008 -
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

Since everyone is at least a bit familiar with John McCain’s record when it comes to strolling through a market in Baghdad with hundreds of his closest guards, or how he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years (except when he flip flops on that).

But not that many really, truly know just how horrific his voting record is when it comes to the troops. And it is pretty consistent – whether it is for armor and equipment, for veteran’s health care, for adequate troop rest or anything that actually, you know, supports our troops.

This is chock full of links to the roll call votes, and the roll call votes have links to the actual underlying bills and amendments. I present this so that there is support and things that can be rattled off when saying that McCain is not a friend of the military. Feel free to use it as you want, but this can be tied into the "Double Talk Express". But here is a very quick statement - John McCain skipped close to a dozen votes on Iraq, and on at least another 10 occasions, he voted against arming and equipping the troops, providing adequate rest for the troops between deployments and for health care or other benefits for veterans.

In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor.. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.

September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.

July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.

March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.

February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.

June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.

October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.

April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

So there it is. John McCain is yet another republican former military veteran who likes to talk a big game when it comes to having the support of the military. Yet, time and time again, he has gone out of his way to vote against the needs of those who are serving in our military. If he can’t even see his way to actually doing what the troops want, or what the veterans need, and he doesn’t have the support of veterans, then how can he be a credible commander in chief?"
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Deployed Troops Donate to Obama 6-1 Over McCain
By Jon Soltz
PUBLISHED: August 14, 2008
http://www.votevets.org/news/?id=0164

"Why do the troops hate the troops?"

Honestly, after years of hearing that if you don't support the Bush military policy, you don't support the troops, you have to wonder what the neo-cons will do now. Today, a study by the Center for Responsive Politics reported that members of the military are giving more donations to Senator Obama than Senator McCain, and when you just examine those troops who are deployed, Obama attracts more donations by a 6 to 1 factor...... read entire article at: http://www.votevets.org/news/?id=0164
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McCain's attack on vets
His respectful rhetoric isn't matched by his votes.
By Edward Humes
May 30, 2008 http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008m...

MORE THAN A FEW people have been puzzled by Sen. John McCain's dogged opposition to the updated GI Bill of Rights now before Congress. The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations -- and have highlighted the shoddy treatment many Iraq war veterans have received..... read entire article at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008m...
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Veterans all over the world were outraged at McCain's statement last night. I have a just one criticism of Barack Obama's performance at that debate. IMO he should have stood up for our troops and for us Vets when McCain made that outrageous lie by calling BULLSHIT on McCain right then and there!

I know I won't be the only Obama supporter who will be pointing this out to his campaign. It does not diminish my support for him at all but by God we need to see McCain called out on this deception ASAP!
:patriot:

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:42 PM
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1. Obama knows this of course
and there wasn't a good moment for him to say it. Just make sure the other veterans know it.
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phoenixriz Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:46 PM
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2. McCain is talking to the Choir
when he talks about vets. I am a Vietnam Vet widow whose husband died of Agent Orange. McCain didn't speak for my husband or me when he was trying to get help from the VA. End of Story.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 07:03 PM
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7. Oh Dear God...my condolences
How many more will be horribly damaged or die from Depleted Uranium oxide poisoning, our latest version of the Agent Orange nightmare? The topic of Depleted Uranium poisoning is somewhat common here, phoenixriz, most here are up to speed on that topic but the topic of Agent Orange is less common here. Perhaps you could, if it isn't too painful, contribute your knowledge and experience to the the DU in an OP at some point. You are among friends here, whatever you contribute to our database on that topic will be appreciated. Welcome to the Democratic Underground :grouphug:

McCain did NOT speak for your husband at that debate, he did not speak for any of us who have served or are serving in our military.
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phoenixriz Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:27 PM
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11. Thanks, chknltl
It took many years to convince the government that there were medical problems as a result of the Vietnam War. Actually, I see at least one person a week in my work as a Diabetes Nurse Educator at the University of Kansas Medical Center with the diagnosis related to Agent Orange. The patients I see usually have diabetes and lymphoma.

"The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs has listed prostate cancer, respiratory cancers, multiple myeloma, type II diabetes, Hodgkin’s disease, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, soft tissue sarcoma, chloracne, porphyria cutanea tarda, peripheral neuropathy, and spina bifida in children of veterans exposed to Agent Orange as side effects of the herbicide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

It took lawsuits in addition to years of "medically documented" suffering to get any type of acknowledgment and assistance. My husband had diabetes and lung disease which resulted in him needing to be resuscitated several times after severe asthma attacks. He had many hospitalizations and many medical emergencies but none were paid for or acknowledged by the government. He actually died one day by just lying down on the sofa because he was too tired to fight that last attack. The check from the government arrived about three weeks after he died and of course had to be returned. This was three years ago when he was 59 years old.

I feel for our young soldiers in Iraq now and in the last war because of the medical problems they are and will have to face. I have not seen any in our clinic and hope that they receive the care they need in a more timely fashion than my husband did.

So back to the topic. Senator McCain talk is cheap and I know who you are but you didn't help my Vet or many others, so quit taking credit for it. Also, I know several POW's but they don't talk about it.
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MGB67 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:41 PM
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13. McCain certainly does NOT have this vet's approval
..... and I was a Navy airdale same time, same place as he.

If my TV makes it through this election I will be fucking amazed.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:58 PM
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3. One thing I have noticed is how Vets and those serving see things so differently
My nephew is serving in Iraq now, while my father was slidding down hill, my nepews wife and a few of the guys he trained with in showed up to visit dad before he passed. The 10 of them sat on dads deck and were talking about how they were going to be so screwed if Obama is elected. I said excuse me, but you do know McCain voted against every Vet help package that came before the senate don't you? Well McCain might have, but we will lose our chance to fight in the war if Obama gets elected!!!!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with these numb nuts? Sure I understand that they been brain washed but damn. Now the Vets I know say all the same thing McCain screwed us fuck McCain pow asshole.
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McCCain4retirment Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 06:58 PM
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4. Didn't Mccain get like a D with vets
while Obama had a B
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 07:01 PM
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6. Yep-- that's what I read (don't remember where now)
Should be easy enough to locate. But vets' stance was clear. :thumbsdown:
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 07:00 PM
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5. A shame David Hackworth isn't alive...........
I think he'd be front and center calling McCain out on his hypocrisy where veteran's issues are concerned.
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phoenixriz Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 07:32 PM
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10. The Scores can be found at Project Vote Smart
Project Vote Smart


Obama Interest Group Ratings



McCain's Interst Group Ratings:



Sorry, had problems with the posting.
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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 07:07 PM
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8. Don't worry about it.
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 07:07 PM by LiberadorHugo
Everybody knows that the good, God-fearing Veterans are about to be Raptured to a better place anyways.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 07:13 PM
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9. WTF? That WAS sarcasm right????
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:54 PM
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14. LiberadorHugo, there are a lot of vets posting here at DU.....
Edited on Sat Sep-27-08 08:55 PM by Rebellious Republica
I am one myself. Before you go lumping all vets into a stereo typical category here, you may want to do a little research first. Check out the Veterans forum here at DU, it may enlighten you....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=259


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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 08:30 PM
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12. Here is what I made for McCain (YouTube Video)
I am a disabled vet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCKNYHPUV9Q

Check it out
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:01 PM
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16. Thank you for that Video. Bookmarked
Well done! You are handling that troll well too. Lot's of good responses there. I suspect that there are quite a few vets out there beyond angry at McCain's remarks last night. I am astonished at the lack of backlash in the media. It is my opinion that an e-mail campaign to our dear MSM is in order. (I already wrote em btw)
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 09:00 PM
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15. My Dad is a retired Naval Officer and just put an Obama/Biden
bumper sticker on his car. He's a Viet Nam and Gulf War veteran. I am also a veteran who supports Obama/Biden. It is not fair to assume all vets are repugs and it is quite insulting when vets are categorized as stupid.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 12:15 AM
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17. I think you hit the nail on the head!
IMO, McCain does indeed think we are stupid! Why else would he claim that we know that he has our back? Stupid? looking back on my life I did some stupid things BUT believing that a thief was worthy of being given the keys to my limited wealth was NEVER one of those stupid things. Believing that a John McCain Administration is going to help my fellow vets and I out given his track record...now that would be giving the keys of our wealth to a thief and a liar, that would be stupid!
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