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[roseBudd]

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/NEWS0106/809270350

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Meanwhile back to reality, not old man McCain's Viet Nam War do over.

Seth Jones, an expert on Afghanistan at the Rand Corporation think tank, said regarding Afghanistan.

“We are now at a tipping point, with about half of the country now penetrated by a range of Sunni militant groups including the Taliban and al Queida." He also said there is growing concern that Dutch and Canadian forces in Afghanistan would “call it quits.”

“The US military would then need six, eight, maybe ten brigades but we just don’t have that money"

Last week, Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress “we’re running out of time. I’m not convinced we’re winning it in Afghanistan.

McCain thinks if he can just bomb a lot more North Vietnamese, we can win this thing in Iraq.

Hey McCain, turns out they don't hate us for our freedom they hate it when our clusterbombs take out wedding parties.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Done. I was #5

[Hope And Change]

2. I gave the 6th rec!Don`t forget to vote in this poll..

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080926/NEWS0108/309270018


Who won the debate?

Barack Obama

64.96%


John McCain

31.16%


It was a tie

3.88%



Total Votes: 7040

[roseBudd]

3. Thnx! Check out my blogpost for the Iraq War is McCainsNam do over meme

For me the following statement by John McCain was the most revealing statement of the debate.

"A war that I was in, where we had an Army, that it wasn't through any fault of their own, but they were defeated. And I know how hard it is for that -- for an Army and a military to recover from that. And it did and we will win this one and we won't come home in defeat and dishonor."

McCain can not put the Viet Nam War behind him and is convinced that it should not have ended when it did, but should have continued until the Unites States could declare victory.

In 1998 on the 30th anniversary of the Tet Offensive he said. "Like a lot of Vietnam veterans, I believed and still believe that the war was winnable."

I believe the majority of Americans would disagree.

The Blood

We lost 58,159 American soldiers.

And Treasure

In 2008 dollars, the US spent $686 billion on the Vietnam War, the second-most expensive war behind World War II.

Like Viet Nam the Iraq War has cost the US Treasury dearly.

The United States has spent $648 billion on Iraq war operations, putting it in range with the Viet Nam War.

Those who do not study history are apt to repeat it.

The Viet Nam War like the Iraq War was a war of choice.

Like the Iraq War the Viet Nam War was not based on any imminent threat to the US and wasescalated based on misinformation, using as a pretext the second Gulf of Tonkin incident that has since been discredited.

On August 7, 1964 in response to testimony by McNamara, Congress passed the Southeast Asia Resolution, which granted President Johnson the authority to conduct military operations in Southeast Asia without the benefit of a declaration of war.

The Iraq War unfortunately has become McCain's Viet Nam War do over.

For this reason Mccain's judgement and leadership on the issue of Iraq will never be based on America's best interest, as it should be, but rather on excising an old man's demons.

America can not afford that.

And as Admiral Mullen has stated regarding Afghanistan where the Taliban and Al Quaeda are resurgent, "I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach, to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq. Afghanistan has been and remains an economy-of-force campaign, which by definition means we need more forces there."

Seth Jones, a Pentagon consultant and a terrorism expert at the RAND Corporation said, “the United States faces a threat from Al Qaeda today that is comparable to what it faced on Sept. 11, 2001."

From Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States:

"We assess that the Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives; perceived jihadist success there would inspire more fighters to continue the struggle elsewhere.

The Iraq conflict has become the "cause celebre" for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight."

Any decisions regarding the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan should be made with America's best interests at heart.

Not by a man whose Viet Nam War era demons prevent him from making decisions that are best for America and not decisions colored by the folly that was the Viet Nam War.

[bleever]

4. K&R.

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[roseBudd]

5. Same thread another McCain Viet Nam War Do Over zinger slams McCain

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/NEWS0106/809270350

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What some may not realize about McCain's Viet Nam War do over in Iraq is that we can't put more troops in Afghanistan unless they are first removed from Iraq. There are no extra troops.

It was extremely poor judgement on the part of Bush/Cheney/Rove and the majority Republican congress to divert attention to Iraq before fininshing the job in Afghanistan.

And generals should not have to be retired to speak the truth.

General Zinni said Iraq was the wrong war at the wrong time - with the wrong strategy. And he was saying it before the U.S. invasion. “This is, in my view, the worst time to take this on. And I don’t feel it needs to be done now.”

General Odom said “The invasion of Iraq I believe will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history.”

McCain is wearing Viet Nam War blinders and can not make decisions based on America's best interests.

We should not stay the $343 million dollar a day course simply because the mother of a dead soldier asks us to.