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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:02 PM
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No War Criminal for President
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 08:02 PM by Mimosa
Senator John McCain was not a hero. The country of Vietnam never attacked America. The United States had no valid reason to wage war upon Vietnam. The US was not defending allies when it went to war in Southeast Asia and killed millions of Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians. Henry Kissinger, friend of John McCain, and his war profiteering friends at Brown and Root, Kerr McGee (which were the parent companies of Halliburton) made billions of dollars. The legacy of human suffering remains in those countries upon which American pilots, including John McCain, dropped unexploded ordinance. In the past decades men, women and children have lost their lives and limbs from the unexploded ordinance droped all over their lands. The USA left 2 generations of pain and suffering upon people who lived in far away lands who did nothing to provoke American violence.

Is there anyone today who believes Vietnam was a just war? Do you think Henry Kissinger, LBJ, and Kissinger were decent moral human beings? Kissinger and John McCain are birds of a feather. I think the whole world wants to turn over a new leaf. What an insult it would be to people who suffered from what pilots including McCain did to them, to their families and countries.



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NO WAR CRIMINAL FOR PRESIDENT!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:06 PM
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1. Out of curiosity do you consider John Kerry to be a war criminal as well?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:10 PM
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2. You beat me to it.
Good job!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:38 PM
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7. No. I wouldn't be harder on John Kerry than he was on himself.
Kerry didn't drop bombs on innocent people, did he?

I guess my point is that Vietnam was an unjust war. The whole world hated us for it.

It would be wrong for us to place McCain in office as though he were being 'rewarded.' We need a FRESH START.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:01 PM
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11. It was an unjust war, but you should blame the soldiers who fought it in
The leaders who took us in there yes, but not the soldiers. I guess your that rare breed that actually doesnt support the troops in Iraq.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:41 PM
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14. I want the troops in Iraq to come home alive, whole and SOON!
Maybe I'm not making myself clear.

McCain shouldn't be considered a hero. Nor is he a better person than anybody else running for office because he participated in a war.

And the fact that he relies on Kissinger as an advisor turns my stomach. Am I clear now?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:47 PM
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15. Then change your OP. Your OP claims hes a war criminal for fighting in a war.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 12:09 AM
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16. Sorry, it's too late to change the OP
I'm sorry I offended anybody with the way i clumsily phrased the topic title.

There is good indo on this site by Vietnam Veterans against John McCain.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm


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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:14 PM
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12. No he did not drop bombs
But was every person he shot at with a 50 cal or a m-16 guaranteed to be VC.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:16 PM
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3. So, John Kerry and Max Cleland are also war criminals?
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 08:16 PM by anonymous171
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:16 PM
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4. Also expect you consider all of those men that flew
in the 8th Airforce war criminals to because they may have dropped unexploded bombs all over Germany. I notice you fail to mention the very central position of Lyndon Baines Johnson in giving direct orders to thousands of American aircrewmen to bomb the hell out of Vietnam. Isnt he a war criminal of far greater guilt then the pilots who carried out his orders to make war on Vietnam. Without his orders, those men would not have been over there bombing Vietnam.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:46 PM
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9. Thothemes, I agree with you.
T, you said: "I notice you fail to mention the very central position of Lyndon Baines Johnson in giving direct orders to thousands of American aircrewmen to bomb the hell out of Vietnam. Isnt he a war criminal of far greater guilt then the pilots who carried out his orders to make war on Vietnam. Without his orders, those men would not have been over there bombing Vietnam."

Nixon and Kissinger were war criminals for certain. Kissinger supports McCain.

I think we need to make sure what is past is truly past.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:17 PM
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5. *yawn*
Do you really not know any relevant issues to discuss?
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:20 PM
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6. I spent a year in combat in the A Shau, guess I'm a war criminal as well.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:43 PM
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8. McCain dropped bombs on innocent people.The world will think we are rewarding him..
I do not necessarily think McCain is a war criminal. Kissinger is. Nixon was.

My point is that in Southeast Asia there are people who are suffering loss of limbs from land mines and ordnance which exploded when they walked thru fields. The Vietnam was wrong. The world was in agreement against US actions then.

Rewarding McCain with the presidency would be a BAD THING.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:00 PM
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10. IS Henry Kissinger running for President...No????? Then stop bullshitting.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 09:16 PM
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13. McCain is not mentally fit to be President
He still thinks of Asians as 'gooks'

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL


I think he is terminally angry.
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