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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 10:31 PM
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nasty, untrue email re Obama circulating, and great reply
A friend of mine received this in an email from her sister. I wanted to share it with DU, and my friend's reply, which might be useful when talking with those with little knowledge.

Everyone of voting age should read these two books. Don't buy them, get them from the library before they are removed from the shelves. (Dreams From My Father and The Audacity of Hope)


From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!! From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'


and the reply back, all pulled from
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp and http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-books.htm

Hi QQQQQQQ,

Thanks for sending this. I have read both of the books. You would like the first, Dreams From My Father. It’s one of the more honest accounts of soul searching I’ve ever read from a public figure. The quotes below are taken out of context. It’s a pretty standard practice; taking quotes out of context is a great tactic with people because, unlike you, very few will look beyond the one-liner to see if the quote is actually true or has a different meaning than the one-liner implies. Repubs and Dems alike do this and it usually works pretty well. Anyway, the synopsis of the truth/fiction of the comments is available on internet and I just pasted it in below.

Love, Z

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."-Truth!
This is an accurate quote from the introduction to Dreams from My Father. The book chronicles Obama's experience as the son of an African father and an American mother.
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"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."-Fiction!
This quote does not exist in either of Obama's books.
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"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."-Truth!
This is a quote from Dreams from My Father. It is in a section in which Obama describes a job interview with a man in Chicago. Race had been a part of their discussion and the full quote is,
"He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year, with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what to make of the man."
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"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."-Truth!
This one is also from Dreams from My Father. It is from a section when Obama was a college student and wrestling with his identity including as an African-American. The quote describes his observation of what was required among his fellow students.
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"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."-Truth!
This is from Dreams from my Father. The more complete quote is, "All my life, I had carried a single image of my father, one that I had sometimes rebelled against but had never questioned, one that I had later tried to take as my own. The brilliant scholar, the generous friend, the upstanding leader—my father had been all those things. All those things and more, because except for that one brief visit in Hawaii, he had never been present to foil the image, because I hadn’t seen what perhaps most men see at some point in their lives: their father’s body shrinking, their father’s best hopes dashed, their father’s face lined with grief and regret. Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men— Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew—Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq—fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own—my father’s voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people’s struggle. Wake up, black man!
Now, as I sat in the glow of a single light bulb, rocking slightly on a hard-backed chair, that image had suddenly vanished. Replaced by…what? A bitter drunk? An abusive husband? A defeated, lonely bureaucrat? To think that all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a ghost!"
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"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Fiction!
This is a corruption of a quote from Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

Here is the accurate and more complete quote talking about American citizens who have immigrated:
"But mostly they want affirmation that they, too, are Americans. Whenever I appear before immigrant audiences, I can count on some good-natured ribbing from my staff after my speech; according to them, my remarks always follow a three-part structure: “I am your friend,” “ has been a cradle of civilization,” and “You embody the American dream.” They’re right, my message is simple, for what I’ve come to understand is that my mere presence before these newly minted Americans serves notice that they matter, that they are voters critical to my success and full-fledged citizens deserving of respect.
Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." ]



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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-08 11:32 PM
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1. Thank you.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:32 AM
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2. Thank you. Very, very interesting. And to think...some stupid person is reading & not...
and not questioning whether those quotes are, in fact, true or not.
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:37 AM
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5. To tell you the truth, when my friend forwarded the first email to me
my reply was that I was sorry Obama had written those things, realizing they were probably slightly out of context. I did not stop everything and head to snopes. That's why I posted it. Even those of us who are addicted to DU don't usually suspend judgment until they research. Whether it's about our candidates or theirs, we're just too busy.

Bottom line... there's a LOT of truthiness going around and we must be smart enough to discern how truthy the snippets are.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 12:43 AM
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3. Bookmarked for future reference!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 01:29 AM
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4. K/R and bookmarked.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 05:58 AM
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6. Outstanding. Thank you. /nt
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 08:34 AM
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7. Can you add this to the DU debunker?
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:07 AM
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8. Never heard of it.
Will give it a try now. Thanks.
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-08 09:18 AM
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9. Done. Thanks.
I really like the way my friend gave her sister credit for being open to hearing others' opinions and receiving new info. Very "Barack".
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