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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:25 PM
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Have you received any hate emails about Michelle Obama and her thesis? Didn't we go through this in
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 10:33 PM by Blue_Roses
the primaries? McCain and his crew are regurgitating this stuff all over again--obviously, since we've heard about Wright. This group must be hanging on the end of their rope. Desperation makes you do weird things.

My sis received it from her rwing in-laws. Her husband is so over-the-top for Palin that he can't see straight, however, my independent sis is starting to see more than the bullshit he shoves at her--FINALLY!! She fired off a response to this email and I was so proud of her (since she's pretty passive with this stuff). I've been talking to her and sending her LINK based facts about Obama, Biden and the Democratic policies. While she still says, she's not sure who she will vote for, I think it's looking good so far.:D


Here is the email she received:

"According to Snopes.com, Princeton was requested to put a 'restriction' on distribution of any copies of the thesis of Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn Robinson ) saying it could not be made available until November 5, 2008 but when it was published on a political website they decided they would lift the restriction.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp

Subj: Thesis - Michele Obama aka Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
OBAMA'S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED

In her senior thesis at Princeton , Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama
stated that America was a nation founded on 'crime and hatred'.Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 'ineradicably racist'. The 1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson . Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, 'If those 'Whites at Princeton ' really saw Michelle as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that impression'. Most alarming is Michele Obama 's use of the terms 'separationist' and 'integrationist' when describing the views of black people. Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a 'separationist' view of race. 'By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.' Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her 'further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.' Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.

Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

'There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black
community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize
all of my present and future resources to benefit the black
community first and foremost.'

What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's first

lady that will elevate black over white in America? The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.

'Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically
designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of
their enrollments.'

The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michell e Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black students
at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than
celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common
American culture more than they value the color of their skin.

'I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of
identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational
path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a
certain level of identification with the black community. However, these
findings do not support this possibility.'

Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire?
Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input. Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another. The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama 's thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very
divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration. Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern. Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.

PS: We paid for her scholarship.

Now here is the response my sis made (remember, she's very new at this):

" I don't usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this hit a nerve with me. As stated in snopes, most respondents were attending Princeton during the 70's, at a time when the Black Power Movement was still influencing the attitudes of many Blacks. It is possible that Black individuals either chose to or felt pressure to come together with other Blacks on campus because of the belief that Blacks must join in solidarity to combat a White Opressor. As the few blacks in a white environment, it is understandable that respondents might have felt a need to look out for one another. If we as white Americans are still pointing fingers, because of a Thesis written years ago. Than we are no better and have not grown in wisdom. To me this is a petty email that should not be circulating. Let's open our eyes people and vote on who can do the best job for our country and not by race."

:applause:

I'm proud of her...yes, she's very naive' about politics--especially since her rabid, rwing spouse drills "Bush, Palin, McCain...blah, blah, blah..." He HATES it when she talks to me because he said I fill her brain with liberal crap:eyes:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:36 PM
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1. I haven't seen as much bitching about Michelle's time at Princeton since one of her white
roommates went public with how her mother got her switched from rooming with Michelle because she was black. It helps put a different twist on Michelle's time at Princeton which the RW'ers can't deny.

Georgian recalls rooming with Michelle Obama


By BRIAN FEAGANS

Published on: 04/13/08

Catherine Donnelly shopped at Kmart, settled into her dorm room and soaked up the Gothic stone buildings where, over the next four years, she would grow into her own woman.
But her first day at Princeton held a surprise, too. And Donnelly knew it would mean confronting the past.

to her mother, Alice Brown. "I was horrified," recalled Brown, who had driven her daughter up from New Orleans. Brown stormed down to the campus housing office and demanded Donnelly be moved to another room.

The reason: One of her roommates was black.

"I told them we weren't used to living with black people — Catherine is from the South," Brown said. "They probably thought I was crazy."

Today both Donnelly, an Atlanta attorney, and Brown, a retired schoolteacher living in the North Carolina mountains, look back at that time with regret. Like many Americans, they've built new perceptions of race on top of a foundation cracked by prejudices past — and present. Yet they rarely speak of the subject.

Barack Obama's run for president changed that. When the Democratic senator from Illinois invited more dialogue on race last month, Donnelly and Brown, both lifetime Republicans, were ready.

But their willingness to talk isn't a response to the candidate born to a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya. It's more about Obama's wife, Michelle.

She's that roommate from a quarter century ago.

-snip-
Brown's first call was to her own mother. Her suggestion: yank Donnelly out of school.


Girl was likable, but black

The fourth-floor room had three beds, three desks and space for little else. The ceiling sloped in concert with the roof, creating a cramped perch atop the upper crust of American education.
Quick-witted and nearly 6 feet tall, Michelle Robinson had no problem filling the room, Donnelly recalls. The future Michelle Obama, from Chicago's Southside, would playfully tease the third roommate, who was white. Obama's long fingers still narrate stories in Donnelly's mind. "From the minute we met," she says, "I liked her."

Donnelly doesn't think Obama ever picked up on her mother's behind-the-scenes maneuvering. She remembers nothing but friendly words. Only now, looking back, does she see the wall between them.

Donnelly was surprised to find something familiar – segregation – alive and well on a prestigious campus in the Northeast. The university's private eating clubs, host to frat-style parties, were largely white. The social scene for many minority students, including Obama, revolved around an activity building called the Third World Center.

When Obama began hanging out with other black students on campus, Donnelly never thought to join them. "Here was a really smart black woman who I found charming, interesting and funny," Donnelly says with disappointment. "Just by virtue of having different color skin, we weren't going to be friends."
Other than confirming that Donnelly was her freshman roommate, Michelle Obama declined, through a campaign spokeswoman, to comment for this story. Her senior thesis, however, delved into the experience of black alumni at Princeton and provides some insight into her mind-set at the time.

In the introduction, Obama wrote that Princeton made her more aware of her "Blackness" than ever before. "No matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong," she wrote. "Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second."

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/12/roommate_0413.html
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:39 PM
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3. do you have any more on this?
I want to send this to my sis. I'm backing everything I say with links since her idiot spouse says I'm lying:eyes:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:15 PM
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7. I believe the roommate and her mom spoke directly to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 11:20 PM by Pirate Smile
so the link above is the only one I have.

edit to add - here is another article in the Boston Globe but I don't know if it has much additional info - it does include Michelle's response to learning of the roommate switch story.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/15/learning_to_be_michelle_obama/
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:38 PM
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2. Nice response.
She may not understand the tenets of Black Liberation Theology, but she certainly understands the reason, and the message.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:40 PM
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4. she's pretty naive'
she gets drunk on Bailey's and Coffee:eyes:
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obiden Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:49 PM
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5. This email is a scam. Read this
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/505/

They took her statements out of context and collaged them together.....they mention how she claims to be planning to devote her resources to black civil rights issues...what they fail to mention is she wrote that was her belief before COMING INTO princeton as a young teenager....her goals leaving after her time at Princeton, she admitted, were not as clear after spending the years with her white classmates.....

Race is a complex issue and what these rightwingers are trying to is exactly what we know they do.

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:00 PM
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6. thanks...
:D
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:18 PM
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8. I thought your response was very well written
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