"Where are the Democrat cojones?"

[Bluebear]

Why do the Democrats not have the mechanism to fight back like the Republicans? Why don't they fight back and think they always have to be 'nice'. - Bill Maher general theme tonight.

[shoopnyc123]

1. They are and they will...

...they couldn't spend money during the convention...now it's on!

[rwheeler31]

2. I am so sick of the fighting

when are the guys get tired of killing each other?

[aquart]

3. Bill Clinton: two terms, never a mean word.

The DEMOCRATIC balls are dangling on either side of big Democratic dicks.

[EST]

4. Jon Stewart's got 'em.

n/t

[Skuk]

5. i dont think we've ever seen

anything like the current GOP war machine. Its so massive, faceless, EVIL and well coordinated resistance via the high road is pretty much useless. The only way we can show cojones is to sink to their level, and sadly i think we may have to.

[Bluebear]

6. Exactly Maher's point

[Blue_Roses]

10. Yep, I guess it's called street fighting

I think as a Democrat and someone who believes in BETTERING lives, we don't have to stoop because we believe it is counterproductive. However, sometimes you gotta say --what the hell--and kick ass.

[Bluebear]

13. I am really feeling that way

For instance, so many posts today whether people booed Clinton today...insisting we be 'accurate'. Like the other side cares whether everything they say is true, like besmirching wartime records. Yes, some people were plants but the basic truth is we are more interested in fair play and clean policticking to our own detriment sometime. Maher thinks this whole election is going to slip away if we don't start fighting back and hard.

[Blue_Roses]

53. I don't think we are MORE INTERESTED in

clean play, we just EXHIBIT clean play. Our issues represent the main stream of America. Go to work. Get an honest pay. Let us choose to make OUR decision where our body is concerned. Start with innovative ideas for new technology. Secure the homeland by reading the CIA reports while you are on vacation!

It's not that hard, but this administration LOVES power and they Will stop at nothing short of doing what they can to secure another term.

I hate Karl Rove, but he is good at what he does--slander. He needs to be cut off at the knees (figuratively speaking of course) He holds alot of negative power.

[seabeyond]

24. throw away integrity you dont get it back

nixon
reagan
bush 1
bush 2

anything in common besides republicans. crooks. law breakers they threw away integrity so and they are able to run these bullshit campaigns and they also break the law and they also get away with it

carter
clinton

didnt throw away integrity and didnt break law and dont give a shit about hiding a blow job

you are suggesting to get in the slime of the repug party. why must we let down our furture, our children by giving up ergo having both parties in the gutter. what makes it worth it for you

i say this can be done in truth. enough on bush to do in truth. and i think kerry is in good place and an arguement i use often to get the christian and repug and moderate to vote kerry is he is not bush, shame on us if we chose bush, what does it say about the person that choses to vote for this person

[UdoKier]

36. You don't have to throw away integrity to FIGHT BACK forcefully.

Clinton ALWAYS fought back.

And there is not a politician on EARTH who hasn't compromised his principles to some degree. Even St. Dennis of Kucinich.

[seabeyond]

43. of course they have they are politicians after all.

i need clearity in talking getting down and dirty. going after bush for handling of 9/11, vacationing and ignoring the aug 6th report, 9/11 sittin in classroom and the a 26 minute photo op and country not hearing from him until 7:30 at nite, bad reports on air breathed in nyc, block commission and being a drag on it. cheneys oil deals and lay and closed door meetings adn the screwing calif adn the tapes with employees laughing. exposing plame to let cia know who the boss is. not being in the white house in almost four years, first year 42% of his time on vacation..............ect...

i am all for sending out the truth for the people to hear. i wouldnt have a problem at all being kerry and using these things

when people are talking getting into gutter with bush, exactly what are people talking about

[UdoKier]

45. Getting in the gutter would be saying that Laura killed her boyfriend...

...or that Prescott helped the Nazis, or that maybe Dumbya once got a girlfriend to abort her baby. Even though these things may be true, they are irrelevant to Dumbya's (in)competence to hold office.

We need to focus on his consistent failures over the last 4 years.

[seabeyond]

46. well see that is what i was thinking getting in the gutter was

and i am not willing to go there. and kerry isnt a man that has ever lived life that way, not who he is so he isnt going to go there. should have hired a pig for president. not gonna happen everyone yelling for kerry to do that, he wont, not a pig. geez we really fucked up here............do we even have anyone that piggish, cant think of one in those 10 that would sell themselves out for that.

going after bush for the things he did /did not do during these four years i am all for, and would like kerry to talk a bit more about that. but no, not suggest he killed that black woman in texas or the maid of theirs or hatfield?, then there are the stories of drug running during the missing year in ng..........

[seabeyond]

50. i am thinking this a little more form the post

i just posted, lol lol. see i think it is relevent he has had failed business all his life, i think it is indicitive of the kind of employee he is now. his grades in school, his lask of reading, what did laura say, a shallow thinker. i think it is relevent he something he said in 88 when it comes to his christianity. i think the bcci story is relevent in telling what kerry has done.

hm. gonna think about this a bit. i was turned off with your initial the laura story, turned me off using that, and the abortion story is relevent..........bah ah aha. i might have to erase that whole post

interesting

[sampsonblk]

47. Amen to your point

Fighting doesn't mean lying. They should pound, pound, pound away at Bush's screw-ups! Not bullshit, but REAL shit.

[seabeyond]

54. ya, i am saying in truth and there are plenty in that

repugs dont do it in truth.

i see what you all are saying. gosh. hm. lol lol. mediahs just not kind to us, i wonder if they would do nothing but attack kerry. kerry just goes to defend himself last nite and i hear how horrible he was that he actually went after them.

hm.

well thanks all

[UdoKier]

56. Well, those stories are not necessarily lies.

I don't know for sure about the abortion, but the Laura kills boyfriend story is a matter of fact. It happened when she was very young, car acccident. Attacking her on it would be mean and alienate voters, big-time.

[seabeyond]

57. that would difinitely not fly

as hadball says, we all love her soooooo, lol

[sampsonblk]

58. Start with the most relevant and work down, I say

And there are plenty of damning things that are more relevant than Laura Bush's personal life.

DUIs
Deferments
Lies about Iraq
Where is Osama?
Cheney doing business in Iraq with Saddam
Rumsfeld kissing Saddam's ass after he gased his own people
Massive deficit
Lies about the economy
Great quotes from the 2000 debates
Great quotes from Bush's term (damn lies)

[Nite Owl]

7. He's right.

We all knew that Kerry wouldn't have money in August but where was the DNC? They could have been doing some hard hitting ads. The Dems that are on tv are wimpy, they have no talking points, they don't make news just react. Now Kerry has to come back again but it's like there is no party to help him.

[bagnana]

11. I AGREE!!!

Clinton could get away with being a gentleman because he had real attack dogs on his side bashing away at his opposition. Kerry seems like he is all alone doing the bashing. He should have to reign everyone else in. They should be going after this administration like attack dogs -- well, like the right goes after Kerry. Until the right hates Mary Beth Cahill the way that I hate Karen Hughes, you know Mary ain't doing her job!

[Nite Owl]

15. I want to see Howard Dean

as head of the DNC after this election. Terry hasn't done anything to help us. He should be out there organizing all the Dems to fight the right wingers. There's a wealth of talking points we don't have to lie just keep repeating over and over: AWOL, lies, no jobs. And stop being afraid of the word liberal, they should wincing at the word conservative by the time we finish with them. Kerry can't do everything.

[quaoar]

18. Terry McAuliffe

is about as useless as teats on a boar hog.

[BillZBubb]

17. Until the right hates Mary Beth Cahill...

Great point. The right hates Carville. Why because they know he will kick their asses and take no prisoners. The laugh at Estrich, Brazille and Cahill. And they should.

As H.L. Mencken said: "Sometimes you've got to hoist the black flag and start cutting throats!". In a presidential election against a Bush, that is mandatory.

[TheRovingGourmet]

20. Didn't he have the money to make a six million dollar donation?

[FloridaPat]

22. They're running some ads here in Florida. Can't remember what

they look like. Someone was running the Republicans Who will vote for Kerry this week. I saw one and didn't even understand it!

[DaveinMD]

8. Kerry

shows some amazing toughness last night.

[Bluebear]

9. Arianna: Democrats need to go back to 1968 and Bobby Kennedy

They need to be bold and really inspire people, fight back.

[xray s]

12. but we are fighting back

moveon, ACT, Michael Moore, AAR, scores of websites.

The political action landscape has changed dramatically in the last four years. The next eight weeks of the campaign will be reveal something totally different than anything the Democrats have ever done before.

If Maher thinks Kerry should meltdown like Zell Miller he's wrong. Kerry has to stay above the fray for the most part and let these new avenues of response work.

[quaoar]

19. That's not fighting back

That's preaching to the choir. Joe and Jane Suburbia do not listen to Air America and they don't surf those scores of websites. They turn on cable and see Swift Boat lies.

[xray s]

23. 12,000,000 people went to see F911 (a lot of Joe and Jane Suburbia's)

and the DVD sales will introduce millions more to Bush's incompetence.

moveon.org ads are hardly milquetoast.

don't underestimate the power of websites to attract a population hungry for information.

but the most important thing is fighting back at the water cooler at work and over the fence in your back yard. In other works, WE are the foot soldiers in this battle. If we wait for the generals to do all the fighting we will get our ass kicked.

[quaoar]

26. More preaching to the choir

People already know about Bush. They are prepared to ditch him if someone gives them an alternative they like. Kerry hasn't made that case yet -- and he won't if he keeps taking about his 18-point plan for this or that or if he keeps running ads telling us to keep hope alive.

Faced with an immoral, shameless piece of shit like Bush, Kerry has to go for his kneecaps.

How much more deterioration in the polls will it take before people see that?

[xray s]

28. somebody has to go for the kneecaps but not Kerry

or haven't you noticed it wasn't Bush doing the dirty work this week?

I agree you have to "keep it simple stupid". I would just go after two of Bush's decisions.

#1 His decision to go on vacation after getting a warning from US Intellegence tha bin Laden was determined to strike within the US.

#2 His decision to ignore warnings from his generals that he was not putting enough soldiers into Iraq to prevent chaos and massive death after the fall of Baghdad.

That should be simple enough for at least 80% of the population to understand. moveon.org please take notice.

[quaoar]

33. If not Kerry, then who?

Edwards? He's not attack-dog material.

Your two points are valid but require too much explanation. It needs to be so simple and clear that it fits on a bumper sticker.

Where's the Beef.

Are you better off now than four years ago.

And it needs to be something that gets in everyone's face day in and day out -- like gas prices.

[xray s]

35. moveon could do it

The DNC could do it.

Actually, I heard Edwards warm up the crowd last night, and I wouldn't down play his ability to hit hard. In fact, he can smack them down and get up like 007, without a smudge of dirt on his jacket.

[quaoar]

37. MoveOn is a PAC if I'm not mistaken

They have more restrictions than 527s.

And don't hold your breath waiting for Terry McAuliffe to do anything. He's useless. Dean should be head of the DNC. He's doing a lot more good for Democratic candidates than anyone else.

[xray s]

39. I guess we'll see

[TheRovingGourmet]

21. The way Zell Miller spoke last night was the way Democrats

used to speak.

[xray s]

25. Zell Miller is a raving lunatic

The Republicans are running away from him.

[TheRovingGourmet]

29. They seem to be rather fond of the guy. He did more damage

the other night than I think even he knows.

[xray s]

30. he damaged the GOP

no way he helped them

[TheRovingGourmet]

31. Why do you say that?

[xray s]

34. Because he went NUTS!

Bush has disavowed his comments. He was disinvited to the Presidential Box at the convention during Bush's speech (he was supposed to sit next to Laura). He is now the laughingstock of the pundit set.

His only appeal was to the diitohead/OReilly/Coulter crowd, and guess what? Bush was going to get those votes anyway.

The rest of the sane world saw a crazy old southern cracker flip out.

Net; a big plus for US!

You want an effective ad? Run clips of Obama's speech and Miller's speech side by side. That ought to seal it for us right there.

[TheRovingGourmet]

38. That is not what I am hearing here.

[xray s]

40. and where exactly are you?

[TheRovingGourmet]

41. Texas

[xray s]

42. ahh...that explains it

the battle ground is in the midwest, where I am from, and believe me, Zell's padded cell routine did not go down well here, Bush knows it, and Zell is persona non grata in the states that matter.

[TheRovingGourmet]

44. Yes, every Democrat tells us that Texas will vote for Bush. It

gets old hearing that.

[sangh0]

48. And yet, you never get tired of talking about all of Kerry's problems

even the ones that don't exist.

[TheRovingGourmet]

55. Actually, today is the first time I've said much about this

issue. Perhaps none of this matters wherever you are but in other areas it does. Just because you don't like this fact does not mean that the issue does not exist.

[AuntPatsy]

49. Im with you on that one, its getting way old..

even my daughter said that to me tonight though she is voting, it seems the spin on such a notion is brainwashing people, why isn't it doing the same to me?

I think Moon said it rightly yesterday, some wierd phenomenom is going on and yet...

I honestly have NO trouble believing that Kerry can win TEXAS!

[sampsonblk]

52. "Where's Dick Cheney, I need a deferment!"

That's fighting back. Fighting back is mentioning "deferments" and "DUIs"

The next time Kerry gets a tough question from a reporter, he should say "Can I get a deferment on that one...? Where's Dick Cheney?"

or "Where's Dick Cheney, I need a deferment!"

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

14. I'm up for some street fighting

I tend to not believe in physical or verbal violence, but when it comes to my country and my fellow Americans being threatened, as I truly believe we are by the bush cabal (hell I think the WORLD is threatened by them!) then I have no problem with some tho-down. Some bringing it on like Donkey Kong.

See, I am a liberal in Texas. Kucinich is technically too conservative for me. So just imagine how much fight I have in me after all these years living this way.

Lemme at 'em, man, lemme at 'em. I swear I need my OWN network with 24 hours of programming determined by ME. George Soros can fund it. I'll invite DUers and we'll just POUND the truth home, 24/7. We'll do it with humor, too, so the sheeple will watch.

Damn.

[Bluebear]

16. To Bush: "You can't run on a mistake"

'9/11 wasn't a triumph of the human sprit, it was a fuck-up by a guy on vacation. Someone had to stay in that class to protect the kids from Chechen rebels.... Stop celebrating the deadliest attack ever as your personal rendezvous with greatness....Even your dad didn't run for reelection on his war and puking on the Japanese....You want us to concentrate on how you like in a fireman's hat.,...but crying during your speech? There is a name for people who use historical acts to win elections...they're called the Swift Boat vets....'

[tibbir]

27. Kerry needs to enlist Carville, Begala, and the like

to do some of the fighting for him. Then he can stay above the fray with a positive image, although I thought what he did last night after Bush spoke was a refreshing change of pace. And the timing was excellent.

[xray s]

32. Timing is everything

A lot of people around here wanted the Democrats to take out Zell Miller weeks ago.

We ignored him, and let him do his meltdown on national TV.

If it wasn't planned that way, it sure worked out great for us anyway.

[MrPresident]

51. Bah

https://www.cafepress.com/uspoli4

HEY BUSH, LISTEN TO CHENEY AND GO F*CK YOURSELF!



So much for being nice eh? lol