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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:32 AM
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General Clark's war history and ties to Neocons threaten his candidacy
His 'sudden conversion' from a war mongering hawk and 'Butcher of the Balkans' (in his own right) to a 'liberal dove' is looking more and more suspicious !

Hoppin Mad

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As Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa reported in
June 2002 in his publication Global Outlook:

The U.S. Congress has documented in detail, the links of Al Qaeda to
agencies of the U.S. government during the civil war in Bosnia-Herzegovina,
as well as in Kosovo.
More recently in Macedonia, barely a few months
before September 11, U.S. military advisers
were mingling with Mujahideen mercenaries financed by Al Qaeda. Both
groups were fighting under the auspices of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA),
within the same terrorist paramilitary formation.


It is absurd to think that the Al Qaeda operatives in Kosovo were there
without Clark's knowledge or that he did not control their interactions with
US military.

In June of 2000, I was stunned to see an announcement in the Arkansas
Democrat-Gazette that a retiring Wesley Clark was going to go to work for
billionaire investment banker and Presidential kingmaker Jackson Stephens in
Little Rock. This set off alarm bells that Clark was someone to watch. In
his current campaign literature, Clark lists
his profession as an investment banker. And he is still employed by
Stephens.

Stephens was the man who gave a down-and-out Bill Clinton a $2 million loan
to jumpstart an ailing presidential campaign in 1992. There is also a
glowing photograph of Stephens with a young George W. Bush in the brilliant
expose of the drug money laundering and covert operations bank BCCI, False
Profits. Several BCCI players, including
Saudi banker Khalid bin Mahfouz, have been directly tied to the financing of
Al Qaeda.


Stephens' firm Systematics, which has since gone through two name changes
to become Axciom, was deeply connected to the PROMIS software scandal, the
Worthen Bank, the Lippo Group, and subsequently through a 2001 FTW
investigation to drug money laundering out of the Mena Regional
Intermountain Airport in Arkansas.
In that investigation, looking into
the apparent release from US prison of Medellin Cartel co-founder Carlos
Lehder, we found that one of Stephens' subsidiaries, Beverly Enterprises,
had been connected to a suspected money laundering operation involving
bearer bonds sold by Bill Clinton's Arkansas Development Financial
Authority, sold by Stephens Inc, and underwritten by the insurance giant AIG
and Goldman Sachs.

Please See:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/gray_money.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/part_2.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anthroposophy/message/10079


Cavorting with more narco Al-Queda KLA terrorists
KLA leader Hashim Taqi, Viceroy Bernard Kouchner, General Sir Michael
Jackson, KLA commander Agim Ceku, and General Wesley Clark celebrate the
victory of their joint enterprise; Pristina, 1999


Bin Laden in the Balkans
From the 'The Washington Times' June 22, 2001

"The rebels would have their big brothers in America - the same heroes who
led the NATO mission against their enemies, the Serbs - believe that the
violence they are now perpetrating in Macedonia is merely about protecting
minority rights. But the National Liberation Army (NLA), a splinter of the
Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), also has another motive: It is fighting to
keep control over the region's drug trafficking, which has grown into a
large, lucrative enterprise since the Kosovo war. In addition to drug money,
the NLA also has another prominent venture capitalist: Osama bin Laden. The
Muslim terrorist leader, according to a document obtained by The Washington
Times and written by the chief commander of the Macedonian Security Forces,
puts out the front money for the rebel group through a representative in
Macedonia: 'This person is representative of Osama Ben laden sic , who is
the main financial supporter of the National Liberation Army, where up to
date he has paid $6 million to $7 million for the needs of the National
Liberation Army.'"
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/54896_comment.php


Clark, center, shares a happy moment and hat trading photo op with Serb
mass murdered and wanted for war crimes, Gen. Ratko Mladic (to Clark's
right). They shared wine and other gifts. Wanted by the U.N. and NATO,
Mladic is still at large.


'The Charleston Gazette.' November 30, 1998 - Page 2A

"BIN LADEN RUNS TERRORIST NETWORK, REPORT SAYS

"LONDON - The man accused of orchestrating the U.S. Embassy bombings in
Africa operates a terrorist network out of Albania, The Sunday Times
reported.

"The newspaper quoted Fatos Klosi, the head of the Albanian intelligence
service, as saying a network run by Saudi exile Osama Bin Laden sent units
to fight in the Serbian province of Kosovo.

"Bin Laden is believed to have established an Albanian operation in 1994
after telling the government he headed a wealthy Saudi humanitarian agency
wanting to help Albania, the newspaper reported.

"Klosi said he believed terrorists had already infiltrated other parts of
Europe from bases in Albania. Apparent confirmation of Bin Laden's
activities came earlier this month during the murder trial of Claude Kader,
27, a French national who said he was a member of Bin Laden's Albanian
network, the newspaper said.

"Kader claimed during the trial he had visited Albania to recruit and arm
fighters for Kosovo.

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/54896_comment.php


FROM 'THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN,' May 28, 1999

"...As U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe long has predicted, American troops go into
Kosovo against the Serbs, they'll be fighting alongside a terrorist
organization known to finance its operations with drug sales - including
some to the United States.

"By joining hands with the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which intelligence
sources say bankrolls itself by selling heroin and cocaine, the United
States also would become partners of a sort with Osama bin Laden, the
international terrorist behind last year's bombings of U.S. embassies in
Kenya and Tanzania, the Washington Times reports. According to the
newspaper's sources, the KLA is linked to an extensive organized crime
network headquartered in Albania. In 1998 the State Department listed the
KLA as an international terrorist organization that supported itself with
drug profits and through loans from known terrorists like bin Laden.

"Such an ally is the result of Bill Clinton choosing sides in a
centuries-old civil war. "They were terrorists in 1998 and now, because of
politics, they're freedom fighters," a top drug official told the Times.

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/54896_comment.php

In 1999, the newspaper, 'Dani,' announced that bin Laden had been issued a
Special Passport from the Washington-Backed Bosnian Government in 1993. Two
weeks ago, the Bosnian government issued a denial. Given that this denial
took two years and came immediately after September 11th, we suggest it be
taken with a grain of salt.

"BIN LADEN WAS GRANTED BOSNIAN PASSPORT

"Agence France Presse September 24, 1999

"SARAJEVO

"Osama bin Laden, the Saudi billionaire wanted by the United States for
organising bloody terrorist attacks, was granted a Bosnian passport in 1993
by the country's embassy in Vienna, an independent weekly
reported Friday.

"'The Bosnian embassy in Vienna granted a passport to bin Laden in 1993,'
Dani magazine said, quoting anonymous sources, emphasizing that files and
traces linked to his case have recently been destroyed by the
government.

<snip>

"'High Muslim officials of the Bosnian foreign ministry agreed that it destruction of files linked to bin Laden] was the top priority. It was even
more important than investigating a person responsible for granting a
passport to the most wanted terrorist in the world,' Dani reported.

<snip>

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/54896_comment.php

*ter·ror
ter·ror (ter?er) noun
4. Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a
population, as for military or political purposes.
- <'American Heritage Dictionary,' 3rd Edition, from Microsoft Bookshelf '98 [br />CD]

AND NOW GET READY TO WEEP!



Interview with Chedomir Prelinchevich, Chief Archivist of Kosovo and leader
of the Jewish Community in Pristina, capital of Kosovo province (Serbia).

Interviewers: Jared Israel and Nancy Gust


=======================================

The interview is divided in two parts, conducted at various times in the
beginning of September, 1999. Jared Israel is the interviewer in Part One.
He and Nancy Gust are the interviewers in Part Two.

Jews Driven from Kosovo

Interview with Cedda Prlincevic, Chief Archivist of Kosovo and leader of
Pristina's Jewish Community.

The interview is divided in two parts, conducted at different times. Jared
Isael is the interviewer in Part One.

DRIVEN FROM KOSOVO

FULL TEXT of Interview with Cedda Prlincevic, Chief Archivist of Kosovo and
leader of Jewish Community in Pristina, capitol of Kosovo province.
Presently a refugee in Belgrade.

(The website, http://www.emperors-clothes.com, encourages everyone to
reproduce the following interview by email, on websites, or in print,
wherever possible, but please don't leave anything out, including this note.
Thanks. )

The interview is divided in two parts, conducted at different times.
Jared Isael is the interviewer in Part One. Note that KFOR essentially means
NATO.

Jared: So you are the President of the Jewish Community in Pristina?

Cedda: It was a small community. We have all left.

Jared: Why did you leave?

Cedda: Because the political settlement became a military resolution.
Pressure was on the citizens. They didn't ask which nationality you are, you
were pressed to leave the apartments and the city. Even if I had a paper
which said I am the President of the Jewish Community of Pristina in English
and signed by the President of the Federation of Jewish Community from
Belgrade, Mr. Singer, the officers from KFOR , refused to recognize
that paper and I was kept imprisoned in my home for one week. I gave it to
another KFOR officer later and he said "I have other business to attend to."

The powers from Albania came inside the country. Their main purpose was to
get all the non-Albanian population out. With help from Eliz Viza from
Israel and from the Chairman of the Jewish Community from Skopia I was
rescued, taken by Taxi together with my wife and my mother to Macedonia and
from Macedonia I came to Belgrade. The whole rescue operation of my family
was given to Israeli TV. Altogether there were 40 people of Jewish origin in
Kosovo. They are of mixed marriage, Jewish-Albanian, Jewish-Turkish and
Jewish-Serbian. All are prepared to go to Israel. To go back to Kosovo for
us is too late. Even though we got a guarantee from Thaci which is the head
of the UCK , that our homes would not be touched we have information
that all our apartments and our houses were completely robbed and
demolished. Which means UCK and Thaci do not have control.

Jared: Or they are lying. What did you do in Pristina?

Cedda: I was public employee, director of archives of Kosovo and Metohija.
There is documentation there which gives the story about Serbians and Turks
and Albanians and Jews, whoever lived in Kosovo and the system which was
there.

Jared: Did you ever experience anti-Semitism from the Serbs?

Cedda: Never. Neither from the Albanians. I was manager, both to Albanians
and to Serbians. We were not driven out from Kosovo by Albanians from
Pristina but by Albanians from Albania.


Jared: In other words a lot of the people we saw cheering German troops
on the street were not the local residents?


Cedda: The same people who were demonstrating in Albania a few years ago
and demolishing the whole country - they are in Kosovo now.


Jared: They have been brought in intentionally by the KFOR?

Cedda: I cannot tell you.

Jared: Put it this way: they haven't been stopped?

Cedda: No one is stopping them. And with the KFOR assistance, actually. KFOR
is there, saw it all, allowed them to do what they did.

Jared: How did it happen? Were threats made after which you went to the KFOR
and they said "we won't help you?"

Cedda: They came to our home and threatened they would kill us. They would
slaughter us. My wife was defending me. My wife is Serbian. And she was
defending me in front of the door.

Jared: How was she doing that?

Cedda: They said we will slaughter you, and she said to them "Kill me!
Slaughter me! I will not go out of my home!" Then officials of Jewish
community come to my home and put me in a taxi.

Jared: Your wife is a very brave woman. You have made tears come to my eyes.

Cedda: And the same happens to me here. She is very brave and I am proud of
her.

Jared: OK. OK. Getting back to the people who came to your house. Had you
ever seen them before?

Cedda: Never.

Jared: Were they armed?

Cedda: With machine guns. They completely cleared up the building and the
whole area where we lived.


Jared: Cleared up?

Cedda: The whole area of 30,000 people, they completely cleared it.

Jared: 30,000? Emptied it?

Cedda: Emptied it. Went from house to house and building to building.

Jared: Did they kill anyone.

Cedda: Initially one person, family named Kompic, a Serbian family, they
killed, which was an obvious reason for us not to resist.

Jared: In other words they made an example of one family and then they said
if you want to die -

Cedda: All night they were banging the doors and slamming the doors and
going inside the doors and from apartment to apartment.

Jared: Was that private houses?

Cedda: Apartment buildings. Many of the people who lived there are of
prominent status and social position in the city. Even Albanians who lived
in the same buildings were also running away.
It was not only Serbian, it was mixed nationality. This was something
completely unknown in history of Kosovo.
Since Kosovo is multinational,
multi-confessional society which lived 500 years
together, there was no such level of hatred as now.

Jared: But you are saying they have sent in Albanians in large numbers from
Albania?

Cedda: This is a pogrom toward non-Albanian population all around Kosovo
area
, Djakovica, Pec, Kosovska, Mitrovica, all over Metokia. Metokia and
Kosovo both.

Jared: But it is not being done by the local Albanians?

Cedda: Yes, the foreign Albanians. They differ in language. A different
dialect. All over Kosovo it is the same situation.
I cannot give 100%
that it is done exclusively by Albanians from Albania.
But I have not seen revenge taken on a man from his next door neighbor who
was Albanian -

Jared: Did you try to go to the KFOR?

Cedda: The KFOR was in my house when they came to there.

Jared: WHAT?

Cedda: When Albanians started to destroy apartments one person called KFOR
and KFOR officer came inside the house, he was there with his squad. There
was a whole bunch going up and down the stairs, 24 hours pressure of people
going up and down the stairs, banging, entering, demolishing? they break
down the door and pour in tear gas in some places and they were robbering -

Jared: Excuse me?

Cedda: Robbing, robbing.

Jared: Now, you said the KFOR men were there? Did they actually witness it?

Cedda: Yes.

Jared: What did they say?

Cedda: They didn't react at all. They didn't protect nobody.

Jared: For God's sake, what did they say?

Cedda: They said this is for civil authorities to regulate the problem. They
were only concerned with killings.

Jared: Who were the civil authorities?

Cedda: They were not formed yet. There were none.

Jared: How did you know whether you were going to get murdered when someone
banged down the door? I guess after you were murdered, you would know?

Cedda: Yes. They were just there to put documents if you were
murdered.

Jared: So. Archivists?

Cedda: Yes. Last month a number of very heavy crimes and murders happened in
Kosovo. Instead of getting 'European democracy' we got a non-defined
form of power and - power is not the right word?

Jared: Fascism?

Cedda: No. Not fascism. Force. Power. Probably the historian will
invent a new word for this?

Jared: It needs a new word.

Cedda: Jews have the word which is called pogrom.

Jared: Yeah. It's a pogrom, that's right. It's a pogrom.
Indiscriminate brutality against a group - in this case defined by anybody
who is - but wait, you say it includes Albanians -

Cedda: The population expected real security from KFOR and that's why they
didn't leave where they lived?

Jared: Ahh. Boy. You were set up.

Cedda: And that's what surprised us the most. Instead of
defending the population they just stand by and looking what's happening
like it is not a relevant situation. During June and July 300,000 people
left Kosovo which are non-Albanian population, Serbians, Turks, Gorani
, "Gypsies," that is the Romi, also people from Montenegro.
300,000.


Jared: What about - you said Albanians from Kosovo were being harassed too -

Cedda: Yes. Those who were pro-Yugoslav oriented. Who were loyal citizens of
the system.

Jared: So the people who were living -

Cedda: They could tell from the person's work.

Jared: So the people who were living in the area with you, were considered
by these gangs to be collaborationists because they were living in a mixed
area?

Cedda: No. Only the position of power.

Jared: I'm not sure what you mean.

Cedda: They attacked those who were not for their
seperatistic movement
. Not supporters of the separatists.

Jared: So they knew which neighborhoods?

Cedda: Yes. They knew. Every loyal citizen of Serbia was punished. Doesn't
matter which party he belongs to, opposition or ruling party, doesn't
matter. Different parties have different ideas and different religious or
national characters but -

Jared: They didn't care about any of that?

Cedda: No. They have realized the plan of Greater Albania in Kosovo.From
World War II, from Fascism.

Jared: During the bombing the US press says the Serbs attacked the
Albanians. What did you witness?


Cedda: The war was very dirty, between the army and the secessionists...35
members of my family are here with me now. And my mother is here. And one
pregnant lady, 8 months. 20 of us are without work. Left everything in
Kosovo. 7 apartments and 3 houses that we owned. Some land. And all my life.
All my life and I am penniless. I didn't have time, I wasn't ready to go, I
didn't even have a suitcase to pack.

Jared: So for all you know some people didn't get out and are murdered. Is
that true?

Cedda: Yes. All I brought was the Talmud. My mother Bea is 81 years old. And
my wife. I would prefer to stay in Serbia. First I have a problem with my
mother she is old and sick and what am I going to do with her in Israel now?
I love Israel I was there many times but it is very hard for me at 61 to
settle there.

Jared: My heart goes out to you.

Cedda: Thank you very much.

Jared: Thank you for being brave to give me this interview.

Cedda: It is very difficult but we have to say the truth. I think that
people of good heart and good will, will take this interview in the best
manner.

Jared: I hope so.

Cedda: And this interview should be a beginning of a different kind of
thinking and nobody should be a victim in the life.

Jared: I agree with you. Before, I asked you a question but you didn't
answer. The Press said the Yugoslav Army committed atrocities against
Albanians during the bombing. You said the war was dirty. Could you tell us
more?

Cedda: Why? Even if I speak about this, nobody trust the Serbians.Even if
I say no, it did not happen, nobody will trust the Serbians.


Jared: But I don't know exactly what happened, we need to know exactly -

Cedda: Even if I say no, even if one Jew coming from Pristina would say this
charge is not true, it is very hard to believe because he can be a person
who has some reason, he can be accused of -

Jared: So what? So they won't believe you! Let them believe what they will
but at least if you say the truth it is being said. Don't you see, the truth
must be -

Cedda: I was completely out of the fighting between Army and KLA -

Jared: But you were in Pristina. You are the Chief Archivist of Kosovo. And
you know! I am sure that you know! You know if there were people going
around massacring people, you know from Albanian friends what was going on,
you know if the Army was involved, if CNN was telling the truth or
lying
, you know a thousand times more than I do and if you can just tell
the truth - somebody has to tell the truth for God's -

Cedda: Alright.

Jared: And if bad things happened, say that - just tell the truth -

Cedda: Bad things did happen. But Serbians as a people as a nation were
not a nation which from the beginning of its history till this day were
doing genocidal atrocities.
But there were individuals who did certain
things that should not have been done. But somebody is
taking this, exaggerating, trying to make us the black sheep and - look, the
Serbian people had no problems with the ethnic Albanians and as much as they
saved Albanians the Albanians saved them especially in the latest period,
but as soon as KFOR came inside and the border was opened to Macedonia and
Albania lots of outside Albanians came inside and the end of it is a mess,
killings. So what I'm saying is during the bombardment in the places where
the people lived there was no massacre by the local population. The Serbs
were defending the Albanians from the paramilitary troops.


Jared: Not from the Yugoslav Army? They didn't have to defend them from the
Army?

Cedda: Never from the Army, not from the police, not from the regular
Serbs. No. But with the withdrawal of the army there were paramilitary
groups that existed on both sides - and that was when there was dirt.


Jared: But during the bombing?

Cedda: Then there was no massacring at all. For example in Pristina we
were sitting together with Albanians in the cellar, in the basement.


Jared: From the bombs?

Cedda: From NATO. All of us together, "Gypsies", that's the Romi people,
Serbians, Turks, Albanians, Jews, tenants of the same building. Together. We
were together.



Part Two

A later interview was conducted by Jared Israel and Nancy Gust; Nancy trains
people in interviewing techniques professionally. The purpose was to clarify
various questions. The most revealing information about the role of NATO
troops is to be found in the latter part of this interview.

Jared: You said many Albanians fled the KLA, the gangs. Do you know how
many?


Cedda: Tens of thousands. 15,000 went to Vojvodina, 30,000 to Belgrade,
many more
.

Jared: How did the gangs that attacked buildings know whom to expel?

Cedda: They had evidence who was who. Also they came to the offices. People
were expelled from the offices. All the institutions which belonged to the
government had been occupied. The gangsters were coming to work, whether
municipalities, courts or universities, or whatever which were public, the
post office, the civilservices, they would come to the buildings and take
over, take the people outside. They had a register of who was working in
these places.

Jared: Was anybody allowed to stay who lived in your building?

Cedda: As much as I know in the building I live there is nobody left. If
they were resisting the person was shot down.

Nancy: Do you know how many people were shot?

Cedda: For instance they found today one lady which was strangled in the
bath. Ljubica Bujouic.

Nancy: She was from your complex?

Cedda: For example today two villages were completely expelled. And they
went to Serbia.

Nancy: The woman who was murdered, that was in your apartment complex? How
did you know that they found her there?

Cedda: It was an official announcement on the TV but I knew her. 4500
murders in Kosovo since KFOR arrived.


Nancy: According to?

Cedda: Information that is published by the Media Center from Pristina. It
is called the Center for Tolerance and Joint Living.

Jared: In your apartment complex were there other murders?

Cedda: There were several murders. I can't be sure because a majority left.
Those that resisted were killed.

Jared: How many attackers were there?

Cedda: There were a large number of them. They were going up and down all
day long. It's hard to know how many. The building itself has 11 stories and
20 entrances. It's a huge building.

Jared: Was this building singled out?

Cedda: They did the whole area of new buildings begun in 1990, completed in
1995, very luxurious apartments by our standards luxurious, new buildings,
porches, all different kinds of adjoiningfacilities.

Jared: And were all the people who lived there employees of thegovernment?

Cedda: The elite of the city was living in that area. A majority of
university professors and managers of different state organizations, public
organizations, doctors, physicians, lawyers.

Nancy: Someone might argue that, since these were luxury apartments and
since this was the elite, this was just a large scale robbery.

Cedda: You cannot call it robbery, because they were taking us and they were
entering, they were occupying the apartments. We are waiting now for a civil
government to come from the United Nations to start with their control but
we very much believe that we will not be able to return even though we are
being invited to come back. We think that what is happening now will be
legalized by the civil authorities when they come in and we expect a
migration from the big number of Albanians living now in Europe, from
Switzerland, where there is a huge number, from France, from London. And
they will come from Albania. They already have.


Nancy: While you were there were the Albanians occupying the apartments?

Cedda: You cannot call it a robbery because robbery is when I'm not home and
you come inside and take my TV. Right? This is robbery. But you come inside
the apartment and you kick me out of the apartment, is this robbery? This
not robbery, this is complete anarchy outside the system. Somebody enters by
force, kicks you out, enters inside and continues to live? Not just comes
there and stays a few hours and drinks coffee and whisky. And all the
property inside is not guaranteed? This is like occupying the country,
occupying the apartment by force.

Jared: There was a week during which you said you were imprisoned in the
apartment and couldn't leave. Was that the week during which the gang was
marauding around?

Cedda: Yes, the first week when KFOR came, I was inside the apartment
without the ability to go outside because a huge number of Albanians came
inside and I was afraid to leave the place.

Jared: They were all over the building?

Cedda: No, no, the city. Inside Pristina. The KFOR was very much concerned
about the military withdrawal of Yugoslav Army but without paying attention
to the civilians.

Jared: At what point did the gangs come? Was it immediately or was it after
a few weeks?

Cedda: Together with them. In other words, the KFOR arrived and the
gangs arrived.


Jared: When did they attack the complex?

Cedda: They attacked immediately. When the Russians came to Pristina, before
the British, to the airport, the people were expecting that they would
protect them but it was not so.

Nancy: How long was it before your apartment complex was attacked? When did
that happen?

Cedda: At the very day that the British entered my part of the city the
gangs started to attack different buildings in this huge area. It's a
quarter of Pristina, the section called 'Milana'.

Nancy: Are you saying the gangs arrived physically in the same time and
place as the British soldiers? The gangs traveled with British soldiers?


Cedda: Yes. The answer is yes. Yes they came together. Yes. Over the
frontier, over the route, over the streets together. Yes!

Nancy: Did they just come parallel, at the same time but independently?

Cedda: They came in different groups - not together arm by arm - they come
and they go, they're here and there - very often you see them together,
mingling, but each of them has a separate organization.

Nancy: But you saw them mingling together

Cedda: Yes! Yes! For example a gang comes to the building and a tenant calls
KFOR and the KFOR arrives and gets around the building and then KFOR leave
and the fellows continue to move around.

Nancy: Did the Albanians leave when you called KFOR?

Cedda: No they stayed. They didn't leave.

Nancy: You're saying the gangs broke into the place, moved into the places,
that people called the KFOR, KFOR came and they did nothing?

Cedda: You know sometimes they had funny situations. KFOR would come and
they said, the Albanians said, "we don't have a place to stay for the night"
so the KFOR says "ok, so stay together in the tenants apartment."

Jared: The same apartment as the people they were trying to throw out?

Cedda: Yes.

Jared: Is that correct?

Cedda: Yes, yes. That's what they suggested. So the Albanians and the Serbs,
or whoever was there, will live together in the same building, in the
apartment and the gangsters would say if you don't leave the apartment in
the next two or three hours we will kill you, we will slaughter you.

Nancy: Can you get more identification of these people? Were they not from
Kosovo, did they identify themselves in any way?

Cedda: Only in the position that they were armed, and in the position of the
power. Definitely they are making an ethnically clean Kosovo.

Nancy: When these people came to the building and threatened you did you
call the KFOR?

Cedda: They were in the building already. When the Albanians came to my
apartment the KFOR was already there. One of the neighbors, a doctor, ran
and called the KFOR soldiers to come and protect the place.

Jared: Did you talk to them.

Cedda: Yes. I spoke to them.

Nancy: Do you know the name of the person you spoke to?

Cedda: The fellow, the soldier was introducing himself as Major of the
British army. And when I showed my papers, the soldier said forget it, next
time.

Nancy: Next time?

Cedda: The papers that said I was the President of the Jewish Community in
Pristina. The soldier just glanced at the paper and said "Next time," like
he didn't have time to be bothered with this. "Don't bother me now."

Jared: He arrived with a squad of soldiers or alone?

Cedda: With his squad.

Nancy: Did they do anything?

Cedda: If they helped me would I be here now?

Jared: Please don't take offence at these questions. We are asking in this
kind of detail to get the clearest answers.

Cedda: It is not only me that suffered but thousands of others. People who
are of the age of 80 and expelled from their homes. And they're still doing
it on a daily basis. It is still going on.
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If we are to believe that Al-Queda attacked us on 9-11 (and I am still
personally iffy about that whole story because things aren't adding up
right) then what are we to believe about us cavorting with them and their
fellow terrorists in Yugoslavia?


====

Al-Qaeda's Links in the Balkans
Posted July 1, 2002

By Jamie Dettmer

Since Sept. 11 the U.S. intelligence services have been working hard to
uncover links between Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network and other
Islamic groups throughout the world. And the Bush administration has not
been slow to advertise connections once discovered or to demand cooperation
from local authorities in order to disrupt the links.

<snip>

In the spring, Macedonian officials provided U.S. National Security Council
(NSC) aides with a 79-page report on al-Qaeda activity in the area. The
report, which was compiled by Macedonia's Ministry of the Interior, lists
the names of al-Qaeda-linked fighters and outlines the roles of two units,
one numbering 120 and the other 250, in northern Macedonia.

<snip>

The Macedonians say the units are based in the Kumanovo-Lipkovo region of
their country. As well as being composed of Macedonian and Kosovar
Albanians, they say the units also number fighters from Turkey, Saudi
Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan and Chechnya, some of whom were trained in
al-Qaeda-run camps in Afghanistan. The Macedonians seized a video made by
one of the so-called "mujahideen," a Turk named Ramzi Adem, showing the
activities of the foreign fighters. The 120-man unit is led by Selimi Ferit,
an Albanian born in the Macedonian capital of Skopje.

<snip>

Yossef Bodansky, director of the House Task Force on Terrorism and
Unconventional Warfare, claimed in his book, Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared
War on America, that the Albanian network was headed by Muhammad
al-Zawahiri, the engineer brother of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian who
mentored bin Laden and, according to the United States, was the brains
behind Sept. 11 and other attacks.


http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/256955.html
---

Yet, it would be willful blindness to suggest that the roots of terror begin
and end in Afghanistan or the Middle East. When examining events that have
transpired in the Balkans over the past ten years, Osama Bin Ladens name
appears prominently. Bin Laden directly aided the Bosnian Muslims, both
financially (weapons procurement) and with training. In addition, that same
aid was extended to the separatist Albanians of Kosovo and Macedonia.
Ironically, the US found Bin Laden and his supporters convenient allies when
dealing with Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians, again in another
so-called struggle for freedom.



Hashim Thaci, Head of the KLA, closely linked to Osama bin Laden's Al
Qaeda. Hashim Thaci had ordered political assassinations directed against
the Party of Ibrahim Rugova.

Bernard Kouchner, Head of United Nations Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) in Kosovo
(July 1999- January 2001), instrumental in elevating the KLA to UN status.

General Michael Jackson, Commander of KFOR Troops in Kosovo.

General Agim Ceku, Military Commander of the KPC, investigated by the
International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) "for
alleged war crimes committed against ethnic Serbs in Croatia between 1993
and 1995." ( AFP 13 Oct 1999)





Globe and Mail, August 01, 2001
We Created a Monster

Albanian terrorists, armed by the West to fight in Kosovo, are destroying
Macedonia, says Canada‚s former ambassador to Yugoslavia


JAMES BISSETT

When Canadian pilots joined in the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia in March 1999,
we were told by Lloyd Axworthy and Art Eggleton that the
intervention in Kosovo was necessary to prevent the violence there from
spreading and de-stabilizing the Balkans. Yet we now know that long before
the bombing it was NATO countries themselves that were inciting violence in
Kosovo and attempting to de-stabilize that Serbian province.
Moreover
despite the bombing the violence has spread ˆ in Kosovo itself, in southern
Serbia, and more recently in Macedonia.

Media reports have revealed that as early as 1998, the central intelligence
agency assisted by the British Special Armed Services were arming and
training Kosovo Liberation Army members in Albania to foment armed rebellion
in Kosovo. The KLA terrorists were sent back into Kosovo to assassinate
Serbian mayors, ambush Serbian policemen and do everything possible to
incite murder and chaos. The hope was that with Kosovo in flames NATO could
intervene and in so doing, not only overthrow Slobodan Milosevic the Serbian
strong man, but more importantly, provide the aging and increasingly
irrelevant military organization with a reason for its continued existence.


After bombing Yugoslavia into submission, NATO then stood by and
submissively allowed the KLA to murder, pillage and burn. The KLA was given
a free hand to do as they wished. Almost all of the non-Albanian population
was ethnically cleansed from Kosovo under the watchful eyes of 40,000 NATO
troops. Moreover, in defiance of United Nations resolution 1244 which
brought an end to the fighting, NATO adamantly refused to disarm the KLA
fighters. Instead, NATO converted this ragtag band of terrorists into the
Kosovo Protection Force ˆ allegedly to maintain peace and order in Kosovo.

To add insult to injury NATO appointed an alleged war criminal, Agim Ceku,
as commander of this force. Agim Ceku is an Albanian Kosovar who led the
Croatian army in "operation storm" which ethnically cleansed all of the
Serbian population from their ancestral lands in Croatia. Some news reports
have suggested that there is a sealed indictment against Ceku held by the
war crimes tribunal in the Hague but not acted upon because to do so would
embarrass his NATO bosses. On june10 of this year the London Times reported
that in early march, Agim Ceku ordered 800 KLA reservists from Kosovo to
enter Macedonia to help their fellow Albanians in their rebellion against
the government there.

<snip>

Although embarrassed by the actions of the KLA in Macedonia NATO has shown
no inclination to bring a stop to this naked aggression against a democratic
and peaceful nation. To do so would result in armed clashes with the KLA
with consequent loss of NATO lives. It would also underline the bankruptcy
of NATO‚s policy in the Balkans. This is not something that Lord Robertson
or our NATO political leaders wish to have highlighted.

<snip>

http://www.balkanpeace.org/hed/archive/august01/hed3828.shtml
James Bissett is a former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia.

=====


The KLA that gang of Muslim terrorists and drug runners? Wow?

Are you beginning to see a US/UK pattern here? Does it not bother you that
we have been waging wars throughout the oil-rich world on the pretext of
going after terrorism and causing it, fuelling it as we do so? The concept
of PNAC‚s encless wars terrifies me and as a Progressive Democrat, I will do
everything I can to expose that cancer wherever it‚s found- even from within
my own party because too many people have been dying and the boys at the top
are determined to continue enriching themselves and waging these endless
wars.


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Over 250,000 Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Roma, and Jews were ethnically
cleansed by the KLA during this conflict. The same group of people that was
crushed during the pro-Axis Ustashe during World War II. Are we going to
let the media and the MIC win this one too?


Although most of the ethnic Albanians have returned, they quickly forced
out a quarter of a million ethnic Serbs, Jews,Gypsies, and even non-Albanian
Muslims. NATO did little more than watch. Stability has been the greatest
victim of Western blundering. When NATO effectively provided the Kosovo
Liberation Army (KLA) with an air force, it backed the most destabilizing
force in the region.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/archives/2001/07/02/0000092411
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:36 AM
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1. Clark supporters won't read this and won't care.....
because of the stars Clark has.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:47 AM
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3. No Slink, its not that
its just sad that people as smart as you feel that way. Why do this to each other? Do you really think I support Wesley Clark because he wears four stars on his shoulder? I think you know better than that. I'm sorry we appear to be so diametrically opposed electorally because I think we share a common political philosophy. Basic, common respect would carry us a long way toward victory over Bush.

The alternative is four more years.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:26 AM
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34. I concede that people like you support Clark because of his ideals
but the military thing is definitely a bit of a draw, and there's no domestic record for Clark to stand on. That'll become apparent if Clark is the nominee.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:48 AM
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:49 AM
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5. "HOWARD DEAN IS A WARMONGER!"
"HE SUPPORTED THE FIRST GULF WAR! HE SUPPORTED THE WAR IN KOSOVO! HE SUPPORTED THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN!!!!!"

Now how does that make you feel? Pretty bad? Angry? Pissed off that people can be so closed-minded as to write such drivel?

If you have any sense of decency you will apologize.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Well Dean did not execute said wars
So I think it is a little different.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. How, precisely?
How is it different? What is the difference between shooting someone in the face from five feet away and watching them die and ordering a cruise missile to be fired at that same person from a hundred miles away? What is the difference between ordering that killing and supporting it?

This is a very meaningful issue, among the most important that human beings can face, and I think you trivialize it. I think that's a shame.

I supported the war in Kosovo, and as the price for that support, I think that I should be just as guilty of killing anyone as the pilots who dropped the bombs, the officers who planned the missions, or the General that led the campaign.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. To be very clear
I do not think that Howard Dean is a warmonger. I am trying to echo the sentiments of Rowdyboy - "its just sad that people as smart as you feel that way. Why do this to each other?"

Perhaps I say it worse than he, but you know what?

Do you know how your post (and the original post) makes me feel? Pretty bad? Angry? Pissed off that people can be so closed-minded as to write such drivel?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
20. would you care to discuss the issues raised in the post...
...rather than simply unloading on the poster? Whay do you call it "drivel?" And I certainly don't think the poster has anything to apologize for.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. "If you have one or 2 points that you feel deserve a serious reply,"
I quote myself:

"If you have one or 2 points that you feel deserve a serious reply, I would be happy to oblige"

My offer stands, mike_c.



I call it drivel because that is what it is. Confucius. The rectification of names.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #22
27. oh come on, I don't have anything to prove here....
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 02:56 AM by mike_c
The original post contains a great deal on information about events during the NATO action in Kosovo under Clark's command. You dismissed that information without offering any refutations beyond your judgement that it is "drivel." So I'm faced with a well researched post and a glib, smug dismissal. Who do you think is winning arguments here?
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #27
30. I am not asking you to prove anything
I am asking you to pick one or two of the best points for me to reply to. I am sorry if you can't do that. Thank you for your understanding.

I did not dismiss the drivel, on the contrary, I asked you (and a few other people, who have thus far done nothing) to pick points for a serious debate.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. the original post has already done that....
So far all the information provided during this "discussion" has been provided by the initial post. If you disagree with some of the information posted, refute it intelligently and I (and the other readers) will be better informed, or at least aware of multiple perspectives on the issues raised. Simply dismissing them out of hand provides no alternative information-- only your unsubstantiated contempt.

Although at this point I'm off to bed anyway....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:45 AM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. lol
if you want people to vote for Clark you damn well better come up with a better answer than that.This stuff isn't going away and,like Dean and his sealed records,the more you ignore it the bigger it will get.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. "If you have one or 2 points that you feel deserve a serious reply,"
I quote myself:

"If you have one or 2 points that you feel deserve a serious reply, I would be happy to oblige"

My offer stands, Forkboy.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
15. LOL - Circular sourcing of information doesn't make it true...
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 02:07 AM by SahaleArm
Acxiom was founded as Demographics not Systematics and was never called Alltel, a publicly traded company AT.

http://www.acxiom.co.uk/default.aspx?ID=1733&Country_Code=USA
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #2
28. how about you pick one or two and offer your reasoned refutation...
...rather than name calling and redirection?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #2
41. I quit when I read the sources
First Fromthewilderness.....Ruppert never met a conspiracy he did like. He still believes that Clinton was running drugs from the Mena airport. Then I saw the name Jim Inhofe who is the rightest-wing nut case of any Senator. He is constantly voted by the congress staff as the stupidest Senator, and quoted from the Gaylord owned Daily Oklahoman (the Daily Disappointment as known in Democratic circles)

It's not that Clark supports don't care, it's that we believe this stuff is drivel, is outrageous, and frankly the domain of the tinfoil hat crowd.

We believe and know that Clark is a good and descent man. Everything he has done in his life is a standard that all of us should aspire too. He's brilliant, honest, kind, thoughtful and a fighter for just causes.

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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:50 AM
Response to Original message
6. What's the point of this?
I don't see any strong evidence or arguments. I think it's baseless.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:50 AM
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8. Thanks for the research
I'm going to look into this a bit more.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:53 AM
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10. so what is your point?
is it that Clark is a war mongering ,terrorist supporter? bent on the destruction of the people of the Balkans? responsible for mass murder? if so i guess the international court should indict Clark for war crimes but since they haven`t they to must be part of the conspiracy . i don`t want to even think about the links between Clark and bin laden..
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California Democrat Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:06 AM
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16. Kosovo
I've always been uncomfortable with the whole war in Kosovo and our reasons for fighting there.

The whole genocide-prevention argument turned out to be false when the hundreds of thousands of bodies in mass graves never turned up. Our bombing campaign killed a lot more civilians then the Serbians ever did. And that country is still a disaster, even under UN supervision.

I'm not sure Clark has much to be proud of with his involvement in Kosovo.

He may not have a prayer, but I'm sticking with my man Joe for President.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:15 AM
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17. Joe Lieberman?
He's the only candidate with the name Joe I can think of. If you feel so strongly about this issue, you might want to pick another candidate, and very possibly another party.

Because Lieberman is a "APOLOGIST FOR THE FASCIST KLA" http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/garris/duringthe.htm
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 01:58 AM
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12. A Clark candidacy would be a windfall for the Greens
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:23 AM
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21. Yup
I would be ABB except that I won't vote for a Bush enabler. I think it is almost worse to have a guy with roughly the same policies but a friendlier face. I am worried that Clark fits into that category and, if my fears seem justified enough come election time, I very well might not vote for him should he win the nom.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:15 AM
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18. TANK
it's Clarkspeak for POOP

tp://pub73.ezboard.com/fwesleyclark200463811frm12.showMessage?topicID=29.topic

Let's smear Clark for carrying out the policies of one of the most popular presidents in history??

hmmmmm...can chimpy attack a general for a humanitarian intervention of GENOCIDE??

with zero zip nada US fatalities...??

nope...didn't think so

later!!



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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:24 AM
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23. Zero U.S. fatalities
But thousands and thousands of civilian deaths. Probably even more than in Iraq because instead of using ground troops we bombed the fucking shit out of Yugoslavia and Kosovo. I'm not saying that ground troops were the answer, but lets not pretend that the war was harmless.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:27 AM
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24. humanitarian?
Let's smear Clark for carrying out the policies of one of the most popular presidents in history??

Clinton may have been popular, but that doesn't mean he was right all the time.

hmmmmm...can chimpy attack a general for a humanitarian intervention of GENOCIDE??

Chimpy might not attack Clark for it, but others might. because it turns out that this "humanitarian" war killed as many innocent civilians as were supposedly massacred by Milosevic.

with zero zip nada US fatalities...??

zero US fatalities - a pretty picture, as long as you don't look at the "collateral damage".
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:15 AM
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19. I will defend the Kosovo intervention to the hilt
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 02:17 AM by tameszu
from the Milosevic and Serbian racist apologists, the anti-Muslim haters, the Stalinists who have infiltrated parts of the socialist left (I admire democratic socialists by the way), and the right wing brass in the Pentagon who think we should only be engaged for strategic and resourcist reasons.

The neo-cons, by the way, were skeptical of Kosovo when the U.S. was fighting it, and as with Rwanda, tried to stop it in Congress, and used it as a cudgel to beat Clinton. They only put it in their list of "good interventions" after it was clear that it worked, but they general hate it because it shows that international institutions and multilateralism can be applied to problems that require partially military solutions.

"I read your book General, and no one is going to tell us who to bomb"--Donald Rumsfeld to General Clark regarding _Waging Modern War_.

Bernard Kouchner, by the way, is one of the world's great humanitarians. It is disgusting that you smear him here.

And in response to Bissett's wild claims, I simply ask: two years after he wrote his piece, is Macedonia destroyed? Is the situation there highly unstable? Um, no. Clearly we have have some credibility problems here. Yes, NATO could do more on many fronts, but anyone who knows about the situation knows that Kosovo has been much more of a success than a disaster.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:27 AM
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25. Clark supporters NOW have to defend the undefendable..
Club for Growth and its ties to Clark's ex-employer.

And that's a major bombshell.

Hopefully the media will pick it up. DrudgeReport should sniff it any minute now.

Hawkeye-X
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:02 AM
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29. Ties? He worked at a company who's founder...
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 03:02 AM by SahaleArm
was a founding member of a right-wing group who is now run by Stephen Moore an ex-Dean supporter/libertarian that ran an ad against Dean but really it's Clark's doing, even though the group supports Bush. Do I have that right or left?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:25 AM
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33. if Clark's wise he'll have his ex-boss pull out of Club for Growth
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:28 AM
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39. *DUD* -eom-
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 02:33 AM
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26. This took a whole lot of time ....
and it is nothing but a long string of meaningless non-sequitur and post hoc fallacies (among others) ...

NOTHING in this verbose posting impinges directly Wesley Clark's person or record .... Tis a shame too: so much work for so little reward ....

As a Democrat who will support whomever the Democratic electorate decides will carry OUR banner: I still look on with disgust as the partisan dogs bare their fangs and try to debase good people with such pointless screed and gratuitous bluster ...

Grow up .... and get a REAL argument ....

GO Dean ! ! ! ... and GO Clark ....
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:38 AM
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36. It was worth it. Several Clark supporters have changed their minds
You're going to have to get over the hand-wringing. Some people really care about making sure we don't replace one hawk with another and are processing this information.

Whom they decide to support next, I really don't care. There's nothing partisan about this. They can go to Lieberman for all I care; most are going to Dean for whom I am not working because I think he's an opportunistic double-talker who adeptly changes his positions and has been making back-room deals over at least one issue that repulses me as a Progressive- but Dean is a Clinton-type Democrat. He'll keep people like Clark under some facsimile of control and not let him have a free rein to all those Pentagon toys that Clark is itching to use for his good friend Soros.

You should spend a little time digging into why Soros doesn't want Dean and keeping a keen eye on what's taking place in Russia these days.

You should also be extremely concerned about a candidate who said that the Intifada was happening "inside" of Israel in an article where he was in rapt admiration of the IDF and blamed the Palestinians for "exploiting world sensitivities, forcing Israeli security forces to overreact."
http://www.greatertalent.com/clark.shtml

The situation is unfortunate yes. It's very unfortunate for Progressives. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Clark run as an Independent if he doesn't win the Democratic nomination. Yeah, they'll be lots of flag-waving and fan-fare but it won't work. People have been on to Clark ever since before he decided to run for the Presidency and that's his greatest Achilles heel.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:17 AM
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31. *** Thanks to Tinoire for the info contained in this post ! *** -eom-
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 05:37 AM
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35. Time to connect the dots - WWP's organized smear campaign against Clark...
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 05:40 AM by SahaleArm
Who pulls the strings for ANSWER, IA-Center, Veterans for Peace, Ramsey Clark, and Lyndon Larouche? The World Workers Party - A Stalinst organization with a seedy history of defending some of the worst crimes under the guise of progressivism.

STALINIST DUPE OR RULING-CLASS SPOOK?

In August 1990, two months after his return from the LaRouche conference in Copenhagen, with US troops mobilizing to Saudi Arabia, Clark accepted an invitation to lead the National Coalition to Stop US Intervention in the Middle East. This invitation had been extended by members of an orthodox Stalinist sect, the Workers World Party (WWP). Clark had finally found a new home. The Clark-WWP alliance has lasted to this day.

A brief look at the doctrinaire sect's history: WWP is the brainchild of Sam Marcy, intellectual guru at the party's helm until his death in 1998. In 1956, Marcy led the faction in the Socialist Workers Party that supported the Soviet invasion of Hungary, attacking the popular uprising and general strike there as "counter-revolutionary." In 1959, the Marcy clique broke from the Trotskyist SWP to found the more Stalinist WWP. The new group wasted little time in cheering on the brutal Chinese repression of the indigenous culture in Tibet that year (which sent the Dalai Lama and 80,000 refugees fleeing into exile).

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IAC/WWP's politics went from bad to worse as Yugoslavia descended into chaos. It soon became obvious that Clark's legal work now closely followed the WWP line. In 1992, Radovan Karadzic, the leader of the Bosnian Serbs, was served with federal subpoenas when he touched down in New York for UN meetings. The National Organization for Women and the Center for Constitutional Rights, acting on behalf of Bosnian refugee women, were charging him with ordering mass rape and war crimes. Clark, of course, immediately came forward to represent Karadzic. Clark also made junkets to Serb-occupied Bosnia to schmooze with Karadzic (as did various Russian neo-fascists like Vladimir Zhirinovsky).

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"What about all those reports of 'Serbian atrocities'?" asked an IAC leaflet in 1993, and then answered its own question: "Before the bombs can be dropped the lies must be told." It then went on to cite fabricated atrocities which the Kuwaiti regime's paid PR hacks had attributed to the Iraqi occupation forces, without offering a shred of evidence that the reports of Serb rape camps and "ethnic cleansing" were similarly fabricated. Note the subtly evil propaganda. Opposing NATO bombing is one thing. Calling the reports of mass rape and ethnic cleansing "lies" is quite another. This "anti-war" propaganda is on the same repugnant level as right-wing Holocaust Revisionism.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:07 AM
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37. HEY GUYS! LOOK!
RedBaiting!

And you thought it went out of style in the 60s, how WRONG you've been...
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:24 AM
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38. Nope
It's fashionable, profitable and fun.

Red babies for breakfast - yum.
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Clark Campaigner Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 06:32 AM
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40. Clark has nothing to be ashamed of
for his 40 year history of defending our nation and our NATO allies.





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