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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:02 PM
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Christopher Hitchens endorses Barack Obama
Not the greatest endorsement I've ever read, but still an endorsement.

http://www.slate.com/id/2202163/

I suppose it could be said, as Michael Gerson has alleged, that the Obama campaign's choice of the word erratic to describe McCain is also an insinuation. But really, it's only a euphemism. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear had to feel sorry for the old lion on his last outing and wish that he could be taken somewhere soothing and restful before the night was out. The train-wreck sentences, the whistlings in the pipes, the alarming and bewildered handhold phrases—"My friends"—to get him through the next 10 seconds. I haven't felt such pity for anyone since the late Adm. James Stockdale humiliated himself as Ross Perot's running mate. And I am sorry to have to say it, but Stockdale had also distinguished himself in America's most disastrous and shameful war, and it didn't qualify him then and it doesn't qualify McCain now.

The most insulting thing that a politician can do is to compel you to ask yourself: "What does he take me for?" Precisely this question is provoked by the selection of Gov. Sarah Palin. I wrote not long ago that it was not right to condescend to her just because of her provincial roots or her piety, let alone her slight flirtatiousness, but really her conduct since then has been a national disgrace. It turns out that none of her early claims to political courage was founded in fact, and it further turns out that some of the untested rumors about her—her vindictiveness in local quarrels, her bizarre religious and political affiliations—were very well-founded, indeed. Moreover, given the nasty and lowly task of stirring up the whack-job fringe of the party's right wing and of recycling patent falsehoods about Obama's position on Afghanistan, she has drawn upon the only talent that she apparently possesses.

It therefore seems to me that the Republican Party has invited not just defeat but discredit this year, and that both its nominees for the highest offices in the land should be decisively repudiated, along with any senators, congressmen, and governors who endorse them.

I used to call myself a single-issue voter on the essential question of defending civilization against its terrorist enemies and their totalitarian protectors, and on that "issue" I hope I can continue to expose and oppose any ambiguity. Obama is greatly overrated in my opinion, but the Obama-Biden ticket is not a capitulationist one, even if it does accept the support of the surrender faction, and it does show some signs of being able and willing to profit from experience. With McCain, the "experience" is subject to sharply diminishing returns, as is the rest of him, and with Palin the very word itself is a sick joke. One only wishes that the election could be over now and a proper and dignified verdict rendered, so as to spare democracy and civility the degradation to which they look like being subjected in the remaining days of a low, dishonest campaign.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:04 PM
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1. That's sure to help us in West Virginia.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:05 PM
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3. LOL!
Maybe not, but it'll play well to the drunken elitist contingent.
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RadicalTexan Donating Member (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:16 PM
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12. aaaah hahahaha
I love Hitch, but...

:rofl:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:10 PM
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8. Well, we've gotta get out the drunken, wash-up Brit vote SOMEWHERE.
:rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:05 PM
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I guess we've won the gin soaked poppinjay vote.
:woohoo:
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:57 PM
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25. I guess gin soaked popinjays vote, too
although an endorsement from Hitchens won't mean as much as an unopened bottle of Old Rotgut to that crowd.

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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:05 PM
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2. That should help Obama with the drunk blowhard vote. nt
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:06 PM
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4. Wow. Maybe he started attending AA for Atheists or something?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:06 PM
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5. I don't understand the complaints about the word "erratic".
I think it's really reaching for something to pin on Obama. It has nothing to do with age, which is what I keep hearing pundits attribute it to.


Main Entry:
1er·rat·ic Listen to the pronunciation of 1erratic
Pronunciation:
\i-ˈra-tik\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin erraticus, from erratus, past participle of errare
Date:
14th century

1 a: having no fixed course : wandering <an erratic comet> barchaic : nomadic
2: transported from an original resting place especially by a glacier <an erratic boulder>
3 a: characterized by lack of consistency, regularity, or uniformity <erratic dieting> <keeps erratic hours> b: deviating from what is ordinary or standard : eccentric <an erratic genius>

So what's the problem? :shrug:

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:07 PM
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6. when a guy like Hitchens endorses....
it doesn't matter if it' glowing or not. It is still a valuable endorsement, and I expect to see more of these grudging admissions that the GOP is all fucked up.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:08 PM
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7. Holy shit!
And he calls Mooselini "a sick joke". :rofl:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:13 PM
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9. I'm going to put in an order of ice cubes FROM HELL! It's frozen over. nt
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:14 PM
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10. Well, I'm *still* voting Obama. n/t
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:15 PM
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11. i am going to vomit... we don't need his
freaking endorsement. Obama is doing just fine without his opinion . - thank you.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:21 PM
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15. Why??
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:32 PM
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18. I don't especially like Hitchens, but I'll accept this endorsement. NT
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:35 PM
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31. Eh?
Hostile much?
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:18 PM
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13. We should get the Atheist vote 90% - 10%
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:20 PM
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14. I'll take it, but I won't like it. I do admire Hitch for his video on torture
The fact that he called it quits five seconds into the waterboarding--even though he knew it was perfectly safe and hadn't been abused before hand and his reflexes were probably slowed down by inebriation--tells me all we need to know about waterboarding.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:27 PM
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16. Eh...I'd take it. I'd take about any endorsement short of Hitler.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:28 PM
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17. Hitch's Vanity Fair piece on torture should be read by everyone.
I'm certainly no Hitch fan, but that piece was excellent.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:37 PM
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20. he says its torture but he doesn't discount its use. he's a tool.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:51 PM
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23. I don't see it that way.
Hitchens admits to being persuaded by the arguments of Malcom Nance, and in fact discusses the difference between training to resist torture versus training to torture.

It's a complicated piece that can't be reduced to the one sentence within it where he waffles.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:23 PM
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27. I posted the video with Hitch getting the waterboarding treatment
and I was surprised to see it get 40 recs in three minutes lol you want to get some recs just add some physical violence to Hitchens and bingo people will love it lol.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:33 PM
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19. You beat me, I'll ask the mods to delete my OP
This is definitely a sign of the Apocalypse.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:39 PM
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21. "she has drawn upon the only talent that she apparently possesses."
Wow. The best zinger I've read yet regarding Palin - I love it! It was written by the rabid Hitchins? Wow. I'm gobsmacked!

"Moreover, given the nasty and lowly task of stirring up the whack-job fringe of the party's right wing and of recycling patent falsehoods about Obama's position on Afghanistan, she has drawn upon the only talent that she apparently possesses."
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:43 PM
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22. normally i would not recommend anything by him but "God is not great" was
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 01:44 PM by chimpsrsmarter
a really good book.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:55 PM
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24. My favorite line from his endorsemnt, "and with Palin...
...the very word itself is a sick joke."
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:21 PM
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26. this was my favorite
I suppose it could be said, as Michael Gerson has alleged, that the Obama campaign's choice of the word erratic to describe McCain is also an insinuation. But really, it's only a euphemism
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:24 PM
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28. Jimmy crack corn....
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 02:24 PM by PeterU
...and I don't care.

Christopher Hitchens is by far the most irrelevant person to my point of view ever.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:43 PM
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30. LOL...more irrelevant than George Bush, McLame, Palin???
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:41 PM
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29. I've always liked and defended Hitchens
Although I almost always disagree with him, he is a ruthless debater, has a very sharp wit, and is a joy to read. I'd love to buy the man a drink.

Anyway, for me, this is a positive development.
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