Hillary Clinton for President in 2016!

[PresidentObama]

How about it?

Obama for eight years.

Hillary for eight years.

God, I'm dreaming. By the way, isn't Hillary great or what?

She's doing awesome on the trail for Obama-Biden.

[Clio the Leo]

1. Yep, someone said today.......

Hillary has made something like 54 campaign stops for Barack in battleground states.

McCain has made 50 stops in battleground states.

So Hillary is campaigning MORE for Barack than McCain is campaigning for HIMSELF.

And yall thought Bill was making all that up.

[PresidentObama]

2. She's done wonderfully n/t

[ClarkUSA]

87. Not exactly true.

Hillary's stops includes all public events (rallies + fundraisers) whereas McCain's numbers count his public rallies only (he and Palin
have been fundraising for the RNC like crazy).

[PBS Poll-435]

3. I am inclined to support the idea.

:P

She was my pick in the primaries, but I am thrilled with the ticket we have now.

Her speech in PA, today, was amazing.

And I love that little pieces of Hillary policy are making their way into the ticket's policies.

The 90-day moratorium on home foreclosures, for example.

[progressiveforever]

4. I'll go there.

Don't mind Hillary at all.

[SoxFan]

5. Look, as much as I want to counter with a Mark Warner post...

...we have a lot of work to do between now and Election Day. We can take up the Hillary/Warner/Bayh/Schweitzer/unknown state treasurer we haven't yet hear of threads in a month, ok?

[MrSlayer]

6. Let's win this time first.

This is not in the bag by any means.

[RiverStone]

52. I agree --- it is dangerous to look past November 4th

Lets win with Obama first, then we can talk about the next Democratic administration. :)

[krkaufman]

58. Yeah, what say we focus on 2008 for now, then working to make the next 3 1/2 years successful ...

... enough to increase Democratic gains in 2010 and 2012. 2016 is FIVE elections off. And no Democrat will get elected in 2016 if the Democratic Party isn't able to turn this ship around.

[goddess40]

70. No kidding

Lets win in 08 before we get into dream scenarios. The election is not over until November 5.

[Lisa0825]

7. It depends on what she does between now and then.

She has made a lot of choices I was very displeased with. At this point, I still have no desire for her to be president, but I am not beyond reconsidering it if I am pleased with how she conducts herself for the next 8 years. Just campaigning for Obama is not enough. Votes matter.

[ClarkUSA]

8. I'd support Vice President Biden over anyone else in 2016 and 2020.

But that's just me. :shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

10. I doubt he would want it then.

In eight years, he would be as old as McCrutch is now.

[ClarkUSA]

23. He'd have earned it & I'm sure President Obama would agree; btw, how old would Hillary be?

She's be pretty old herself. :eyes:

P.S. Ageism hits women harder than men in American society.

[PBS Poll-435]

27. 5 years longer than he.

And American women live longer.

:eyes:


We know that you do not like Hillary Clinton. It is not a secret.

[ClarkUSA]

40. So you're an ageist AND a sexist with a bias against older men but not older women?

Tsk tsk!

(And who do you mean by "we"? The bitter sore losers who are kindred to Lady Forrester de Rothschild? )

[PBS Poll-435]

41. Tsk, tsk.

I am an Obama supporter, fundraiser, and canvasser since mid June.

"We" would mean the DU population that has moved beyond the primaries. It also means the countless DUers that worked very hard for and still admire Hillary Clinton.

I am not an ageist or sexist. I merely said that Biden probably would not want to be compared to the floundering McCain in 2016.

[ClarkUSA]

43. WTH would be crazy enough to compare Biden with McCain in 2016? Oh, lemme guess....

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

44. Are you freaking kidding me?

I guess not.

I give up. You win!

:eyes:

[musicblind]

46. He would be a bit OLDER than McCain in 2016. Hillary would be YOUNGER than McCain in 2016

Biden is not going to run in 2016. He might not even run as VP for a second term in 2012... which would be ashame because I like Biden.

[ClarkUSA]

74. So what? What's with the ageism here at DU? And how do y'all know what Biden is going to do?

Wishful Hillaryland thinking is what I see here. Good luck with that... if you think Biden is going to step aside from his longtime
ambition to be president after serving two satisfying years as VP to President Obam, you're going to be surprised.

[mkultra]

83. actually, "WE" know that you go divisive pretty quick over hillary.

stop trying to start another war.

[PBS Poll-435]

96. Right.....

It is me starting a war.

:eyes:

Look up-thread.


And as far as being "divisive?" :rofl:

Telling the truth about Hillary, her financial records/tax returns, and her record in the Senate is not divisive.

[mkultra]

103. i did

and it was clear that the personal attacks started with you.
You are one of the ones.

[Forkboy]

9. Damn, I don't even know what I'm doing next weekend yet.

:P

[Beausoir]

11. Sybil? Is that you?

:silly:

[Metric System]

49. So true.

[pecwae]

71. How many 'personalities' did Sybil have?

[Marrah_G]

89. 16

Almost the same number of times that one has changed sides.

[Arugula Latte]

12. No.

[vanderBeth]

13. I'm not commiting to anyone for something 8 years in the future.

[sampsonblk]

14. No - nt

[Lucky 13]

15. Sure. Whatever. Can we just focus on winning THIS election please?

[stolivodka]

16. No. Freaking. Way.

The Clintons put this party on life support. Bill's endorsements of Obama have been even more tepid than those recently made by John McCain. Hillary has read some nice pre-prepared speeches, but even Sarah Palin can do that.

With all of the good actually liberal Democrats out there, we shouldn't nominate any more left-conservative neo-liberals like Hillary or Bill. America needs real liberal change. Richard Nixon was to the left of the Clintons.

[Hawkowl]

78. Very true!

Nixon while a power mad criminal, did institute a lot of environmental reforms, e.g; The clean water Act etc. He also didn't brown nose Wall Street and the huge oligopolies running our country into the ground.

Besides, no MORE BABY BOOMERS! Good night. Let new ideas and the new generations have their crack at fixing things. The presidency is grueling job and people need to be in tremendously good health and yes, young enough to handle it. Historically, 1 out of 3 vice presidents succeed to the presidency.

Hilary will be too old. Sorry. I'm an airline pilot and if I'm too old to fly at 65 (formerly 60) than the goddamned president better be younger than that.

[MadBadger]

17. I'm Puttin my weight behind Wexler for President in 2016

[LooseWilly]

38. Cheers.

He likes cocaine, because it's a fun thing to do...

Granted, it was Colbert induced statement... but I still find it hysterical that he said it.

Just because of that, I'd vote for him.

[MadBadger]

39. Ive already abandoned him for Claire McCaskill, though hes on the ticket as Veep

[LooseWilly]

100. Ok, I'll drink (again) to that.

I think I donated to McCaskill's campaign via John Kerry's site... and I've never been prouder of a dumb luck kicking down of some cash.

McCaskill absolutely rocks... Wexler as Veep... I'm in.

[Convertee]

18. She'll be far too old.

[Lorentz]

19. No more dynasties. No more name recognition.

Let's try to go 25 years without two presidents with the same last name.

[Lilith Velkor]

76. Chelsea '28!

:silly:

[Beacool]

20. I'll vote for Hillary for any position , let alone president.

She would be a great president, I just hope that she chooses to run again after the shit they put her through this time around.

[Name removed]

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[MadBadger]

I completely forgot about Claire....move over Wexler, McCaskill 16!

[BluegrassDem]

34. Obama and his team love them some Claire McCaskill

She's been very impressive on TV. The woman knows her shit. She's actually no different than Hillary in the 'know their shit department'. Claire is quick on her feet, never stumbles and is very smart. She's also very pleasant to look at. She has a very down home look about her that appeals to so many women. She's also from a major swing state.

I bet that Obama will be putting his full resources and the Obama machine behind either Claire or Kaine.

[MadBadger]

35. I'm moving to support a McCaskill/Wexler ticket in 16'

[Beacool]

32. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

Don't like it? Too bad.

I think that she ran a good campaign and if the word "democratic" had not become a misnomer in the party, she would have won the nomination. Furthermore, she did not implode. She won most of the registered Democrat's votes and won most of the states in the last 4 moths of the primaries.

I will always think that Hillary would have been a great president and I hope that she does try again. Let's see how Obama does as president first, before you have him already anointing his successor.

[Name removed]

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[ryanmuegge]

36. Unless you're a billionaire, you won't be alive in 2016 anyway.

I can't stand to even think about 2016...or even 2009.

[musicblind]

47. Obama is going to be president so we'll be just fine. n/t

[TexasObserver]

50. telling a poster to STFU is specifically forbidden in the DU rules

I invite you to look it up.

[PresidentObama]

22. She, like Obama, was treated unfairly at times. But that's politics.

I love Hillary, but she knew what she was getting into.

With that said, Obama 2008 and Obama 2012!!

Hillary 2016!!

[Tatiana]

24. Republicans deserve to see the day when Hillary Clinton is confirmed as a Supreme. n/t

[stolivodka]

25. This idea I could get behind.

heh

[Tatiana]

29. I imagine her on the same court as Scalia, Alito, and Uncle Thomas...

and I get downright giddy.

[Prophet 451]

66. I pity Hillary in that scenario

Can you imagine having to put up with those three day-in, day-out? Yikes.

[PBS Poll-435]

30. That gave me chills.

A smart advocate of Women and Children on "the" Court?

From your mouth...

[vssmith]

68. I agree with you.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

26. Yep!

I would love to see that. She would be an excellent president!

K&R!

:kick:

[Uzybone]

28. Christ

cant we wait until we win? This election is not close to over yet. This is getting ridiculous.

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. Stirring up shit 3 weeks before the election

while masturbating about crap late at night.

[iamthebandfanman]

45. theres always one person

who just cant help themselves.

theres alot of ego on DU , if you hadnt noticed ;)

[4themind]

33. First things first...

We need to get Obama in the WH for now, 8 years is a long time from now and who knows what could happen.This section of the forum is for the 2008 election, and I fear your post, is not only tangential to that theme, may just stir up tensions between the two camps again(I don't mean that you're doing it intentionally), so please consider that, and I think you understand first hand how supporters can turn off other people to a candidate and I think neither of us want that. I do appreciate your enthusiasm though, and hillary's for obama.

[jrockford]

42. Err yeah, a dream. A bloody nightmare.

So sick of this HRC fanaticism. It's sick.

She ran a lousy campaign. Her support is mediocre at best. She was not the most viable candidate. Perhaps if we fielded other people like McCain, then she would be.

I disagree with many of her votes as a NY Senator. I'm sick of her Israel pandering. She's akin to Lieberman as far as I'm concerned.

This Hilary this and Hilary that stuff is crap. Fucking focus on wining THIS election, for Christ sakes. I can only hope that she has no part in this upcoming administration...though I imagine there are many like you who are dreaming up this nightmare.

[Marrah_G]

88. Before you get yourself all riled up

This poster is not a Hillary supporter. He loved her, then hated her , then loved her, then hated her. Whatever side stirred up the most drama.

So before you start blaming this crap on Hillary supporters.......we have been quiet on all this. The one stirring the pot has questionable motives.

[karynnj]

107. Exactly right - I have no idea what his motives, but he has mananged to

start fights when they had been tamped down by events before.

[musicblind]

48. I'll vote for that! :)

[TexasObserver]

51. she can certainly win me over.

[LooseWilly]

53. Really?

Are you really so disinterested in what can be done now that you're instead fixated on HRC?

I mean, really?...

If so, sure... why not? In 8 years I'll be glad to vote for HRC, but only if she cozies up even closer to the corporate world... because, as Carly Fiorina pointed out, CEOs are smarter and all around better human beings than the rest of us... and I think HRC has a head start in getting close to them.

[krawhitham]

54. No I do not think that will work, not at all

Supreme Court Justices just do not run for president

[McCamy Taylor]

55. This thread is like one of those mosquito zappers, right? Designed to catch freepers

who will be irresistibly drawn to its subject matter, where they will implode in a burst of cattle futures and semen stained blue dress before reaching the requisite 1000 posts.

Because I can not imagine that anyone is seriously thinking about which Dem will run in 8 years. I have been following elections since 1964, and no one has ever known 8 years in advance who the Democratic nominee would be. You guys are thinking of the Republican Party. They are the ones who like to recycle candidates. Dems always go with the fresh face. The one time we went with the familiar face, Al Gore, the apathy among Dems cost us our balanced budget, 4000 military lives, our economy, our Constitution and our world standing.

[PBS Poll-435]

56. Yep!

Thanks.

[krkaufman]

61. side note: 4000 military lives is a low-ball, even for Iraq fatalities

4500 coalition military deaths, at a minimum*, in Iraq, so far.
1000 coalition military deaths, at a minimum*, in Afghanistan, so far.

* ever so slightly rounding-up both figures; though still likely low-balling it, since military deaths outside of combat aren't reported in the figures.

And then there's the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, Afghanis, and Pakistanis.

Though if you were trying to stay focused just on US costs, the military casualties are at least 4800, between Iraq and Afghanistan. (What is that, almost 2000 more than died on 9/11? Apparently, military fatalities passed the 9/11 death toll 2 years ago, on September 22, 2006.)

[Marrah_G]

86. The visual is pretty nasty

You can almost picture them orgasming all over themselves in their basement apartments as they type away at their latest little hate-filled response aimed at Hillary.

[donheld]

57. Michelle Obama 2024?

[saltpoint]

59. Her chance was this time and it slipped away.

I think an 8-year Obama White House could pivot nicely to a Brian Schweitzer White House for another 8 years.

[Cosmic Charlie]

60. can we at least have an 8 year break from call for this? please.

[krkaufman]

62. or at least 3 years

I'm Ok with starting another campaign in 2011, if she feels it's necessary, but I'd like to focus on *this* election and then governing our way to success in 2010, first.

[polmaven]

94. Well...

maybe 6 years.

[reggie the dog]

63. She comes of as being a team player

So why not try again in 2016. Who knows who will be in the primaries in 2016. At any rate we have to make sure Obama wins this November, then again in 2012.

[Prophet 451]

64. All else being equal, fine

Of course, that's assuming that A) she doesn't do anything loony in the meantime, B) that she hasn't been appointed to some permanent position (say, the SCOTUS) and C) she's still alive (although Zombie-Hillary would make a fun candidate).

That said, she'll be 68 by then and may be wanting to slow down.

[my3boyz]

65. I would love to see Biden next but he might be too old by that point

I love Claire Mccaskill (sp?) so I would not mind seeing her as a top contender. By then she will have more time in the senate and will hopefully be considered. I do hope Barack offers Hillary a central role to help out with the health care issue. One can question the way she goes about it but it is obviously something she cares deeply about. I hope she has a substantial role in it though.

[cjsmom44]

67. Yes....

I have to admit...I was pretty pissed at Hilllary during the primary...it is not until recently that I have been able to forgive her...but I heard her recent speech for Obama...and I thought "Now there is the Hillary that I admire" She is forgiven...
Obama for eight
Hillary for eight...
True Heaven.....

[JTFrog]

69. Ah jeez... Not this shit again.

Nothing like throwing out a bucket of chum to the lurking PUMA's early in the morn.

[Marrah_G]

84. No- not really

The only sharks it attracted were the rabid Anti-Clinton crowd. They are practically orgasming all over themselves at the chance to once again spew some nastiness towards Hillary.

[JTFrog]

95. I guess you missed the PUMA circle jerk above.

:eyes:

At least downthread you make it obvious you recognize the OP for what it is.

[Essene]

72. If Hillary can keep her NY gig, she should become Senate Majority Leader

she's a natural legislative leader if there ever was one.

[yourguide]

73. Love hil but Barack for 8 and michelle 2016 for me!

[Metric System]

91. What happened to no "dynasties"?

[karynnj]

109. Michelle, No - and Ireally really like her

Part of the problem this year was that anyone running against a former First Lady almost had to speak of the bad parts of the former Democratic administration. There was no way to avoid this as the First Lady, as was her right, partially ran on that time. This meant a period where the former President's support of the nominee was in question. This is a toxic situation.

I know that this may be unfair to the spouse, but I find it hard to believe that when there are around 4 or 5 (at most) people born in a decade - it is hard to believe that 2 are married to each other.

[blue_onyx]

75. I would like for her to run again in 2016

I still have a feeling that she will be the first female president. If she ran, I can't guarantee her my support (I don't know who else will be running then) but I would be very happy to see her at least try for Democrat nomination again.

[Orsino]

77. We'll see.

Will she find the courage to lead as a populist rather than as a corporatist?

That would win me over for sure.

[chicagoexpat]

79. Yeah, if ur fondest hope is Jeb Bush in 2020 & Republican control of congress in 2018

Dick Morris's "Triangulation" is SUCH a nice policy for screwing over real Democrats, let's have some more!

[snooper2]

80. Well, I guess Hillary put that in the damper for ya

:rofl:

[Realityhack]

81. How about you concentrate on THIS election at least until it is over. n/t

[Marrah_G]

82. Why would you post something gauranteed to stir up trouble at this time?

As much as I love Hillary- Posts like this just invite an internal DU war. It stirs up bad feelings and causes new arguments.

So either this is an innocent mistake and you will ask for it to be removed.

Or

You wanted the division.

After all........you can't seem to make up your mind whether you love her or hate her.

Yes- we remember the primaries.

Just the honest truth.

I don't trust your motives at all.

[JuniperLea]

85. My thoughts exactly... eom

[mkultra]

90. IM afraid i agree

This sticks out as much as an anti-hillary OP in my opinion.

Its time to hammer the guns into plows.

[Metric System]

92. The OP has a history of, shall we say, confusing (confused?) posts.

[PresidentObama]

97. Nope you're wrong n/t

[Phoonzang]

93. Sorry, but my boy Brian Schweitzer needs a turn. n/t

[ddeclue]

98. Hillary Clinton for retirement home in 2016!

John Edwards, Al Gore, someone else thank you for President in 2016.

[BlooInBloo]

99. No race-batiers for President. Ever.

[Beacool]

101. Bulshit charge..........

:eyes:

[barack the house]

102. The more positive Hillary could of won it this time around but yes I have no doubt she is the >

future president. I don't think a single fair minded American would deny her that.

[NoodleyAppendage]

104. What's wrong with Biden in 2016?? He would get first priviledge, not Hillary.

The typical order is not to skip over a VP, unless that person wishes not to run (e.g., Cheney).

Also, the Clinton Era is OVER. Get over it yourself. Hillary will be toast and Bill will be relegated to being politically "quaint" once the Obama Era starts.

[Beacool]

108. The Clintons will NEVER be irrelevant.

Much to the chagrin of their haters.

[karynnj]

105. Can we work on 2008 please? Then on the re-election in 2012!

No one knows what 8 years will bring. No one knows who will do great things between now and then. No one can predict Obama's Biden's or HRC's (or anyone's) health over the next 8 years. Who knows if Biden will run as VP again in 2012 or if he will after, a hopefully very successful job as VP run in 2016. Eight years is a very long time, there might be someone we currently don't think of who could emerge as a strong candidate in 2016.

HRC came close to getting the nomination, Kerry and Gore came close to becoming President. Just as both Kerry and Gore continued to make their mark - Gore outside of government and Kerry within, HRC likely will too. I doubt any of the 3 will be President. Gore has made an enormous contribution in moving people's views on global warming enough that President Obama will have an easier time asking for either money or sacrifice on this issue. Kerry's work at Bali and before was credited in a SFRC by a member of the official US team with making an agreement possible there - had that conferenced failed, it would be harder for a President Obama to restart the effort. Had Kerry not fought for Kerry/Feingold in 2006, enduring the ridicule that he got, President Obama would not have started with nearly all the Democrats behind a variant of that policy as well as the majority of Americans. (Bush stole the Presidency from both, but I strongly suspect that both Kerry and Gore will be better remembered by history. Whose future grandchildren will be prouder to defend their granddad in a high school history class?)

These are real accomplishments - movement does not come just from Presidents - and they don't always come with trumpets and marching bands. Credit will not always be given when due, but if the motivation is knowing that you are making the world better - and you and your closest friends and families know that is important too. (Though no one, politician or not, wouldn't prefer getting the credit. We will see in the next 8 years what efforts HRC commits her time to.)

[paulk]

106. I doubt it

and I doubt that she wants it.

in the meantime all this thread provides is a forum for the usual Hillary haters to get their rocks off in....

[rebel with a cause]

110. Well, you are half way right.

it also gives the Hillary worshipers the opportunity to get their panties in a bunch also. I am tired of both sides of the road here, so I am not a middle of the road person, I am off the road and driving down the alley. (use to be possible in my younger days) Anyway, as some one else said, that is eight years away and should not even be under discussion. We don't even know if Hillary or Biden will be alive in 2016. I know I won't be, so I am definately not worrying about the election eight years away. Please. If we can't take it one day at a time, at least let's take it one election at a time.

We are in 2008. Let's get to 2009 before we make plans for any other election. :nuke: