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Patient Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:03 AM
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Palin in front of flag with 49 Stars?
Has anyone else seen this pic? I am stunned.

From: http://anchorage.craigslist.org/rnr/837444099.html



"Is it illegal for a governor of a state to stand before in support of secession group (even if she herself doesn't believe in secession she is supporting their right to) in front of an American flag that has purposely taken out a star to show they want nothing to do with America? She can do whatever she wants as a citizen...but as governor? There are strict rules regarding the American flag. You cannot be an elected official and stand before an illegal American flag. It may even be illegal to display such a flag in a public gathering.

What if Obama was caught in same scene for Illinois secession group? Think Fox News would go insane?
"

Why is this not more of an issue? This woman is out of her gourd. Who vetted her? They should be seeking another form of employment right now, thats for sure. The MSM would be all OVER Obama if did something like this!
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:06 AM
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1. Perhaps she's standing in front of an historic flag?
I'm not trying to make excuses for her...

But this thought did occur to me...

How old is the picture?

:shrug:
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:10 AM
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8. alaska and hawaii were admitted at the same time... we've NEVER had 49 states NT
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:13 AM
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10. That is incorrect. There was a period when there was 49 states.
Alaska became the 49th U.S. State on January 3, 1959.

Hawaii became the 50th U.S. State on August 21, 1959.

U.S. Flags manufactured and sold between January 1959 and August 1959 would have 49 stars.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:23 AM
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16. This IS the flag that honored Alaskan status as THE 49th State... you ARE right
point taken... I'm wrong.

In Elementary school we learned of this as one topic...

"Boys and girls we have TWO new states."

BUT, it is interesting that...

"On January 3, 1959, President Eisenhower signed the official declaration which made Alaska the 49th state. The new American flag featured seven rows of seven stars each."

So, if this is a protest flag, it's an odd idea, eh?

Seems more like a symbol of being proud to be a PART OF, not a desire to be apart FROM.

thanks for pulling my awareness up
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:34 AM
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24. No problem. It actually made me research when Alaska and Hawaii became states.
Some good did come of it. :D
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:37 AM
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26. Clearly this is an affront to the State of Hawaii!
Why does Sarah hate Hawaii such that she harkens back the pre-Hawaii US flag?
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:16 AM
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13. Actually not. The 49-star flag was the official flag of the USA for one year.
On January 3rd,1959 Alaska was formally granted statehood placing the 49th star on our Flag.Executive Order of President Eisenhower dated January 3, 1959 - provided for the arrangement of the stars in seven rows of seven stars each, staggered horizontally and vertically.

The first 49-star flag was made in the Army Quartermaster Depot at Philadelphia, and was used in the White House ceremony when President Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) signed the proclamation admitting Alaska to the Union. Subsequently, this flag was carried to Philadelphia by Senator Hugh Scott of Pennsylvania, who gave it to the mayor of Philadelphia to raise over Independence Hall on July 4th, 1959. After these ceremonies Scott gave the flag to his colleague, Senator Earnest Gruening of Alaska, who, in turn, delivered it to Governor William A. Eagan to be flown over the state capitol at Juneau. This flag was later given to the Alaskan State Mueseum for preservation.

The 49-Star flag was official for only one year, until July 4, 1960, when Hawaii achieved its Statehood and the 50-Star flag was born. President Eisenhower was the only President to serve under this flag.

http://www.usflag.org/history/the49starflag.html







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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:18 AM
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14. hah. I am third
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 01:19 AM by quakerboy
What that says about my typing speed, I am not happy with.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:24 AM
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17. Thats 100% Wrong
The 49th star was added on July 4th, 1959, signifying Alaska. The 50th was added exactly one year later, for Hawaii.

http://qmfound.com/us_flag_49th_and_50th_star.htm
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:25 AM
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19. google, the prosthetic brain
yeah yeah, I shoulda stayed in school

quit yarfin at me
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:48 AM
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25. prosthetics only work when the patient is willing to strap them on
Perhaps I've chosen my words carelessly
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:39 PM
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29. if you don't want to belong to America, you take the star away. but
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 02:42 PM by roguevalley
I think I've seen 49 star flags before. that looks historical to me.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:47 AM
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31. Did Palin give this speech in 1959?
What group was she addressing?

What was her speech about?

I don't understand the dialog above. The issue isn't whether or not it's a real flag or even if it's legal for a Governor to stand in front of the flag. It's what was the meaning of the flag in the context of the audience and her speech.

Until the context is known, the meaning of the flag is unknowns.

On thing for sure, this speech wasn't given in 1959.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:06 AM
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2. Next thing you know, she'll have her own currency
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:07 AM
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3. Been discussed here a long time ago.
Nothing wrong with that flag. It's just the flag that was made AFTER Alaska but BEFORE Hawaii.

There is even one on display in my local town hall (it's a big flag, bought quite a long time ago, expensive to replace... so there it is).
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:07 AM
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4. While I totally agree with you on your main point, the AIP thing...
.... I'm not so sure about, "It may even be illegal to display such a flag in a public gathering." I mean, this is America, people can burn the flag if they want. Unethical, immoral, maybe .... but "Illegal" ..... not so sure.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:24 AM
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18. It is never incorrect to display an historical flag
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
"Is it appropriate to fly a flag that has fewer than 50 stars?

Yes. Official United States flags are always considered living, active flags. From the Betsy Ross flag to the present 50-star flag, any flag that at some time was the currently active flag is still considered a living flag to be accorded all due respect."


And also http://www.usflag.org/history/the49starflag.html
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:00 AM
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28. I have a 48 star flag that I fly on holidays
My father was a WWII Navy vet who died in 1956 and this is the flag that draped his coffin. I fly it proudly and treat it with utmost respect.
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MtUpWithWngsAsEgles Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:08 AM
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5. Talk about patriotism
This should be looked into.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:08 AM
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6. NO!
:wow:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:09 AM
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7. The AIP only has one reason to display the old 49-star flag. They want to tear a star off the 50
star flag.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:11 AM
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9. Interestng question....Where was she, and when was she there?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:15 AM
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11. somebody needs to preserve that image in a screen capture
...before it disappears off craigslist.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:20 AM
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15. I've saved both the Craigslist link and this thread as web archive files.
n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:16 AM
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12. In point of fact, that *is* a legal US flag
her secessionist ties aside, the United States flag after Alaska was admitted to the Union, and before Hawaii was, was officially 49 stars; all prior US flags are 'legal', under United States Code, and may be displayed.

http://qmfound.com/us_flag_49th_and_50th_star.htm
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:30 AM
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21. It Might Depend Whether, in Their Eyes,
the 49th start stands for Alaska or Hawaii. I hear a bit of a dog whistle here.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:26 AM
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20. Never mind
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 01:29 AM by Quixote1818
I miscounted the first time.

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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:38 AM
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22. I would've supported Alaskan Independence before Statehood
Since all you google smarties are already reaming me a new one... I thought I'd draw a little more focus

The Federal Government nationalized huge tracts of that state in the name of conservation... and as with all BLM land since Reagan... they can't WAIT to auction it off to the highest bidder for resource exploitation.

If I were an Alaskan, watching outside corporations profit from Alaskan resources... I might be a tad bit bitter.

The AIP is an extremist group... but I can understand their attractiveness to long term Alaskans.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:39 AM
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23. yup, there's nothing scandalous about this flag... sorry - NT
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:58 AM
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27. Is that picture Sarah Palin or Michael Jackson? nt
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FloridaGrl Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:47 PM
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30. Her intent is the issue
If she was just standing beside an old state flag well that's ok; however if she was standing beside a flag to with 49 stars to symbolize Alaska separating from the union then that's a problem.
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