Doesn't the term "Bitch Slap" connote violence towards women?

[trumad]

I'm seeing it quite a lot here on DU lately.

[dipsydoodle]

1. Applies to cats and dogs too

.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. dogs maybe, cats not at all.

However, if 'bitch slap' referred to abusing your female dog, which of course it doesn't, that doesn't really change the argument.

[Withywindle]

133. I think

calling a female cat a bitch is a much worse slur (from their point of view) than calling a female human one.

The proper term for a female cat is 'queen.' Of course. :D

[Kalyke]

152. So they think.

But dogs are still better.

:P

[eShirl]

2. I thought it connoted violence from women

but what do I know

[quantass]

10. lol

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. That's how I've always construed it...

being slapped around as only a woman can.

[Captain Hilts]

16. That is correct. THE most famous "bitch slap" was done by the Wash Post's protocol columnist...

Ann Gotlieb - wife of the Canadian Ambassador in DC - to her social secretary at a MAJOR function where all saw it happen. The progressive magazine Washington Monthly even did a cover story on The Slap. By the way, it was a screw up and the social secretary had not committed the error for which she was slapped.

[demokatgurrl]

51. Wow, so many takes on it- mine is the same as

yours- a slap of a woman by an other woman.

So, MAYBE, to use it in the context of two men is to connote bitchiness or even effiminacy (?) in the men. But maybe no.

[DevonRex]

66. That's what I thought, too. Am I wrong? nt

[Lorien]

115. That's what I always thought it meant

as in the old movies when a woman slapped a man across the face and said "You Beast"! due to some misunderstanding. When someone says "they need to be bitch slapped" I take it to mean "they need to be reprimanded and taken down a notch".

[RayOfHope]

165. Me too--sort of a 'girl fight' thing, slapping and pulling hair kind of stuff n/t

[Puzzler]

3. I'm not sure...

... but I've usually heard the term "bitch slap" used in reference to a woman doing the slapping (usually to another woman).

(it does not usually mean a guy slapping a woman)

[cjsmom44]

4. Yes

Yes, in answer to your question...the term is frightening to those women who have been abused by men period...and there are many of us....

[bunnies]

42. Speak for yourself, please.

As someone who spent years in a abusive relationship, I am sure as hell not frightened by a phrase.

[JTFrog]

5. I think it's misogynistic in the fact that it's taken to mean a weak slap.

Or the fact that it contains the word "bitch".

I don't really see any definition that equates it with violence towards women in particular.

[eShirl]

7. weak? no, it's a slap that will lay you out with its sudden impact

[Captain Hilts]

12. It's the forehand AND backhand slap in close succession. I, too, object to the word 'bitch'...

but this suggests meanness, not weakness.

[JI7]

17. "bitch slap" is the total opposite of a weak slap

[Dr.Phool]

112. An open handed sucker punch.

[jsmirman]

18. Congratulations. That's as wrong and silly as the topic to begin with.

Yes, it connotes violence towards women if you've been living under a rock and are woefully unfamiliar with how it's been used for the last decade.

People, sometimes, please.

[Captain Hilts]

28. Nothing silly about the topic. And, yes, I've used the term a lot. Now, I'll think twice. nt

[JTFrog]

32. I'm probably so ignorant I just made that up for no good reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch_slap

Wikipedia does not currently have an encyclopedia article for Bitch slap. You may want to search Wiktionary for "bitch slap" instead.
To begin an article here, feel free to edit this page, but please do not create a dictionary article.


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bitch_slap

Usage notes

1. The term has different connotations for different speakers; it is often used to refer to an especially strong slap, but some speakers consider bitch slap to refer only to a weak slap (expressing mild contempt, as though the person being slapped is too weak to be given a strong slap). This would distinguish it from the stronger pimp slap.
2. Due to the inclusion of the word bitch, this term is often considered misogynistic.

[jsmirman]

38. Ah, yes, wiktionary. Gotta be right. You just parroted something written

by a third-grader.

That reads like something not even a cut above urban dictionary.

[JTFrog]

46. So I found a source that backs up my view of the term. So what?

It also happened to be the first source I found that defined the term. So what?

Why do you have to be so nasty?

Attacking me instead of backing up your own words is a real grown up tactic.

[jsmirman]

56. Because it's wiktionary

and I think this whole thread is BS. Forgive me, but I do think combatting today's right wing sewage dump is more important than discussing the meaning of "bitch slap," all the while doing it ridiculously erroneously.

I'm from New York, and I know what bitch slap means. I have never *once* heard it used to mean a weak slap. Not once. Maybe it means that in some other part of the country. Like Fantasy Land.

[JTFrog]

64. Apparently anyone who doesn't agree with you lives in Fantasy Land.

And this thread is such BS and you're so important with your more important things to do that you had to jump knee deep into the ridiculousness of it just to prove how ridiculous it is?

Thanks for your sacrifice.

[polmaven]

160. And exactly what is it that makes

sexism and misogyny a "silly" topic? Simply because a term or phrase has had a lot of use, particularly for the last decade, does not minimize the sexist connotations.

[musicblind]

6. I always thought it referred to the slapping of a man to put that man in his place.

Be it a slap by a man to another man or by a woman to another man. That is just how I always thought of it. I guess a woman could do it to another woman... but a bitch slap coming from a man to a woman wouldn't be called a bitch slap imho. Normally men punch instead of slap.

That's just the way I've always thought of it.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. not only 'in his place' but specifically in a subordinate and submissive position.

And yes the term is obviously sexist, but it is probably not referring to violence against women.

[Lorien]

116. Me too. A slap from an insulted or angry woman to repremand

a man for bad behavior.

[anneboleyn]

128. This is the way I have always understood it .

[pecwae]

8. No, it's okay

any gratuitous use of misogynist term is perfectly acceptable. Women should just stop being so goddamn oversensitive about the use of bitch, whore, c*nt, because there's an election to win.

[DrDan]

13. forgot the "sarcasm" smilie, right?

[jsmirman]

20. If you're that worked up about the use of the word "bitch"

party hats for you, you've got something.

I, personally, find this tedious and overbearing because to equate the word "bitch" with the words you've gently morphed it to be equivalent to, is utterly absurd in my view.

But if you don't object to "bitch," the objection to "bitch slap" as a term that frankly has nothing to do with violence towards women, you have nothing. At least if just seeing the word gets you up and bothered, there's something, as overly prickly as that might seem to many of us.

[pecwae]

41. LOL!

You really mean that?.:rofl:

[jsmirman]

57. Yes, I think that equating "bitch" with whore and c*nt (your words, not mine) is absurd

and a dirty, morphing, let's hope no one notices tactic reminiscent of the right wing.

Ha ha.

[Confusious]

21. I'm so sorry, and I hope you get better soon!

With your stay in the hospital and all

:)

[H2O Man]

9. I think so.

I would prefer not to see it here. I think that there are far better ways to express one's self, than by using that type of language.

[JI7]

14. i never saw it that way

[WillyT]

15. Wiktionary

Link: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bitch_slap

:shrug:

[Teaser]

19. oh good, more word police.

.

[bunkerbuster1]

22. I don't think there's anything wrong with examining how we're communicating

to the outside world. It's not being a "word policeman" to ask reasonable questions, particularly about a term that combines a sexual slur with implicit violence.

Yes, I've used the term myself. And yes, I'll think a little bit about what I'm actually saying, next time I'm thinking about using it. This is bad, why?

[Teaser]

26. Examine all you want

that's not bad. I'll continue to use the term.

[Captain Hilts]

27. Same here. I'm conscious of sexist language but have used this one. nt

[trumad]

33. I asked a question---that's all.

DU over the years has made me reflect on the terms that I've used in my past. For instance--- I used the term "trailer trash" frequently until I learned that it was offensive to some. I stopped using it. I use to use the phrase, "that's so gay", until I realized that it was offensive to some.

This place in my mind has made me a better person and more sensitive to what can hurt people's feelings.

So with that said---you can take your word police label and stick it up your ass.

[Whisp]

82. hehe. good post tru, specially the last line.

there are a Lot of words I have cut out of my diet too, for the reasons you state.

still working on the f word tho, that one keeps creeping back. ugh.

[TorchTheWitch]

24. Yes, it's violent toward woman

It's origination comes out of the gang/criminal culture where women are expected to be subserviant to men. The action is a strong slap to the face usually by a man to "his bitch" as a means of putting a defiant woman in her place and more preferred to be done publically to add humilation to the woman slapped. The term became mainstream when the rap/hip hop culture adopted the term with its original meaning. It is only very recently that the term was borrowed and used differently to mean a humiliating defeat of some kind by a man or woman.

I particularly hate this term not only because of it's origination but because its origination is fairly recent and still mostly used with the original intended meaning... it's only very recently that the term has been borrowed and used differently.

[trumad]

30. That's where I thought it came from--- and that's why I asked...

The way it's become mainstream surprises me a bit.

[TorchTheWitch]

35. Doesn't surprise me at all unfortunately

The younger generation's use of gang/criminal culture which is chock full of abuse of women has been very widely incorporated through the rap/hip hop culture. Abuse of women through word/deed/attitude has again become very mainstream, and it's so disturbing. However, what is even more disturbing to me is how many girls and women are not only accepting of it but embrace it.

[RetroLounge]

34. Not even close...

To disrespectfully slap someone in the face with an open hand. The implication is that the person being slapped is not manly enough to be worthy of a real punch. Term is used figuratively to mean putting someone in their place (or diss) in no uncertain terms.

RL

[TorchTheWitch]

45. That is a new differently used meaning

And I covered how the term has been adopted and used differently. Only VERY recently has the original meaning of the term been adopted and used differently even though the original meaning of the term is STILL used. A very recent adaptation of the term attaching a new and different meaning hardly makes the term less disturbing or insulting. This term is relatively new American slang whose original meaning is violent toward women and is still used now with its original meaning. Just because it's currently used differently at times doesn't change what it is and make it somehow more palitable. For example, just because the term "bitch" has more currently become used as a term of endearment it isn't going to stop me from kicking the ass of my bf if he should ever refer to me as his "bitch" as a term of endearment... the more current term of use doesn't make it any more palitable to me and shouldn't.

Your own current meaning is very close to the original anyway... it's still violent (slap/punch), still derogatoty towards women (not "manly" enough), and still used as a method of putting someone in their place (direct from the original meaning). So much for not even close.

[quakerboy]

83. I find that interesting

May I ask where you get that information?

The main reason that I ask is that I have never, in my entire life, heard it used that way. Not once. I have generaly heard it used in much the same context as one might say "sucker punched", with connotations of "pwned" and "shut down". And never once with the slappie being female, unless the slapper was also female.

[RetroLounge]

84. Exactly.

Maybe it's a regional thing?

:shrug:

Here in Milwaukee (and in Chicago) I've only heard it used as you describe.

RL

[quakerboy]

87. Oregon and Colorado

Regional, or perhaps generational? I always find the evolution of words and terms interesting. This thread is the first time I have ever heard any other meaning for the term.

[Lorien]

119. Same for Florida . n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

168. The origin is infinitely arguable, but completely irrelevant.

The phrase "rule of thumb" has a misogynistic origin. Arguing that its use is misogynistic is silly.

[RetroLounge]

172. Agreed...

:hi:

RL

[bettyellen]

153. so " not manly enough to be worthy " has no sexist content? wow, I'm shocked you

kinda missed that Retro. You're usualy a more thoughtful reader.

[intaglio]

29. I have always seen the term as

a blow given by a woman to another (male of female). Urban dictionary esp 3. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bitch%20slap

[alwysdrunk]

31. Not anymore

That may be the origin of the term, (maybe) but like many slang words and phrases it has morphed into something else as it has become more mainstream.

[ogneopasno]

36. Yes. I hate seeing it here.

Every once in awhile I forget that a good-sized chunk of progressives don't care about women or how language can hurt people, but it's OK -- they remind me soon enough.

[Marrah_G]

37. It's mysogynistic at its core

But most don't realize that when they use it.

It's the same as teenagers who refer to anything silly or lame as "gay".

[anigbrowl]

92. How dare you make fun of disabled people

...by using the word 'lame'. My real point being that practically anything is going to be offensive to someone. I've never used the term bitch slap myself but I'm only about 40% offended by it.

[bunnies]

39. No. Never in my life have I heard it used in that way.

But then again, I dont assume the word "bitch" refers to a female.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. NO! It's slang.

I hate political correctness.

[dipsydoodle]

49. It's also pretty much meaningless

outside of the USA which can keep its political correctness to itself anyway.

[Lex]

62. So slang can't connote violence toward women. That's your argument?

And "political correctness" is a term the repukes coined to make fun of people who want to show respect and value to other people who may be different.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

70. I am a woman and a proud feminist. I took no offense. What may be offensive to some is not always

offensive to others.

[phleshdef]

43. No, and I wish some people around here would get with the times...

Figures of speech like this take on entirely new meanings all the time.

[Obamarama]

44. Oh good fucking lord....here we go again. The semantics police is on the prowl.

I used the term bitch slap in a thread I started just yesterday. I said that I wanted to bitch slap this vapid woman on MSNBC who claimed to be a Dem, but was spouting Palin talking points of reasons she's voting for McCain.

The woman is a lying bitch. Therefore, I wanted to bitch slap her.

I'm not advocating violence toward women. Would you have had an issue had I just said "I want to slap this woman?"

These are figures of speech. I think everyone pretty much understands what bitch slap means, and I think everyone understands that it's a goddsmned figure of speech and not a call for violence toward women.

To imply that it is smacks of disingenuity. We're adults, we know what it means, and what it doesn't mean. GET A GRIP.

I'm sorry it bothers you, but it's doubtful that I'll censor my vocabulary because it seems to upset your delicate constitution.

[LostinVA]

47. Yes -- I think it should be banned from usage here

[Max_powers94]

48. SOme people needs a Bitch Slap once in a while...For example fox News.

[NatBurner]

50. i'm cracking up at all of these p.c. definitions

i guess "hip" is a completely relative term

[greguganus]

53. Don't make me Hip Slap you! n/t

[greguganus]

52. I've also heard jack slap, and jap slap (from WW2?) n/t

[Orsino]

54. Yes.

I'm sure that's not how it's intended, but every use of the term is a reminder.

[MaineDem]

55. I take it that way. n/t

[Poseidan]

58. depends on how it's used

Any word can be stripped of its meaning and used, for example, more poetically, for the sounds (alliteration or rhyme). You should always, when words are involved, consider the intent.

Keep in mind, you could replace 'bitch-slap' with x897234, and it could mean the exact same thing. Code language is worse, yet dependent people, who rely on others to stop using words rather than relying on themselves to stop being bothered (this occurrence is particularly strange in a culture where free speech is paramount), are actually encouraging the use of coded language.

[FloridaGrl]

59. Nope

Men bitch slap other men, Women bitch slap women. The word bitch being used doesn't mean it's an act towards a woman.

[polmaven]

162. The B word being used is

in and of itself offensive to many of us.

[snooper2]

60. I'm going to bitch slap

this thread :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Bill McBlueState]

61. Seems like there's no consensus here on what the phrase even means.

If I want to make a point as clearly as possible, I'll avoid using phrases that are ambiguous and possibly offensive, even if I'm not personally offended by them.

[trumad]

65. Well said

and that was the point of my OP.... I admit, I posted this because I want to know if this is borderline offensive and it appears that it is....So--- My policy is to not use a phrase or term that may offend people. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Hepburn]

63. No....

...actually it is an insult to anyone ~~ whether male or female ~~ to talk about a "bitch slap."

"To open handedley slap someone. Denote disrespect for the person being bitch slapped as they are not worthy of a man sized punch. Suggests the slap was met with little resistance and much whining."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bitch+Slap

[slackmaster]

67. Yes, I believe it also has a racist connotation

My mind's eye sees a black pimp slapping a black prostitute when I hear that expression.

[CreekDog]

68. Depends who is doing the slapping

:hide:



(i'm probably the 20th person to say this :eyes: )

[LooseWilly]

69. Oops, I think I've actually developed a very coherent definition. Here goes.

I've always taken "Bitch Slap" to essentially be interchangeable with "pimp slap"... as a term for the slapping that a pimp uses to keep his "Ho's" and/or "bitches" in line.
I think the meaning has grown slightly, to include any slap delivered to a fellow male in order to force an acknowledgement of submissive status... in other words, in a way that treats said fellow male as a "bitch", which, having driven a taxi in Oakland CA for 10 years, I have seen is used almost synonymously with "female" in most ghetto communities. (I've heard parents refer to their 5 year old daughters as bitches... not to mention Ni...rs).

In my opinion, it is a term whose offensive status is best measured as an inverse relationship to one's geographical/cultural distance from said ghetto communities. If I use the term on a college campus in Berkeley or San Francisco, it is highly offensive. If I use it on 35th St. and Market in West Oakland, it is merely a term for a mild form of violence... and in that neighborhood (where I actually lived for a couple of years) mild violence like a bitch slap is taken as seriously as WWE wrestling on the tv out in the suburbs.

So, in a word, yes- it does denote violence toward women. On the other hand, it also connotes violence toward men in order to demote them to the status if women (which carries yet more connotations in a prison environment).

However, any attempts to stop the term from being used are, in my opinion, an attempt to stifle males from expressing their urge toward "dominance", in the pack animal sense of the word. It might make one feel less tense... but I think it masks rather than eliminates a portion of reality of being human and male. Better to let it be expressed and then confront it where it needs confrontation (hell, that's the only thing a bitch slapper will really respond to anyway, is himself, or herself, being bitch slapped...).

How's that?

[NatBurner]

72. excellent

[chicagoexpat]

71. After the take away our "bitch slap" they'll go after our PORN!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

124. Whoa. OT, but what happened to this poster?

"He's dead Jim..."

[CampDem]

73. I believe it started as a way for pimps to label

an open handed slap to the face of a prostitute, though the term has morphed into many other meanings.They want the slap to sting and startle, but do not want to give her any marks or bruises. This way she can still go make money that night. They don't want to pull her hair because they might rip out chunks of it. They don't want to punch her because it would cause swelling. It is done publicly and often so that others on the street know who she belongs to.

I would not personally use the term because having worked with battered prostitutes, I shudder when I read it. I remember helping a woman who had been beaten and gang raped take a shower because she didn't want to be alone. She could barely stand because of the shivering and uncontrollable sobbing. I held her up and washed her back. I saw how deep the bruises were that etched her thighs and buttocks.The scratches and cuts in tender places.I listened to her cry herself to sleep.

[mkultra]

74. bitch slap is what a pimp does to his ho

it has always been more of a denigration than a misogynation. but hey, what do i know.

[quakerboy]

76. I was under the impression that that was a "pimp slap"

whereas the bitch slap would be what a ho does to her "man" if he steps out of line.

[CampDem]

85. Pimp and bitch slapping are quite similiar

from wikipedia definition of bitch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch
snip~
Bitch slap

The term "bitch slap" is derived from American slang. In the original sense, a "bitch slap" is a powerful, full-swing slap in the face with the front of the hand, evoking the way an angry pimp might slap a defiant prostitute (not to be confused with a "pimp slap" which uses the back of the hand). However, the term is now frequently used figuratively to describe a humiliating defeat or punishment.

snip~

from wiktionary on pimp slap http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pimp_slap
snip~
Synonyms

* (slap to the face): bitch slap
snip~

[mkultra]

138. i see. very interesting.

Thus a bitch slap would be what is delivered to a "bitch" if that bitch be either man or woman and if that "slap" be either figurative or literal.

intriguing!

[Geek_Girl]

161. That's what I always thought it meant

but I may be wrong

[quakerboy]

75. No

It connotes violence from a woman. It still has sexist origin, though.

[Whisp]

77. yes, it does. and yes it appears here too often lately.

along with a Lot Worse....
but I guess it's okay as long as it's a 'bad' woman you're talking about.


hypocrits stink.

[backscatter712]

78. The bitchslap is a classic Rove tactic.

The political use of the term "bitchslap" goes back to a TPM article by Josh Marshall, and describes the real purpose of the Swiftboat attacks on Kerry, and the Ayers attacks and other smears on Obama. The attacks themselves are so ridiculous and cartoonish that nobody really expects reasonable people to buy them, but the point is to be able to make these attacks, the "bitchslap" without any sort of rebuttal or counterattack or significant fight at all.

Kerry's biggest mistake in 2004 was to try to be "above the fray" - to not respond in any perceivable way to the Swiftboat attacks until it was too late - the public saw a bitchslap, and started viewing Kerry with contempt because they perceived him to not be tough enough to deal with presidential politics. It's total bullshit, but remember that elections are decided by the ignorant LIV demographic.

Certainly, Obama did not repeat that mistake - he responded to the Republican bitchslap with a right hook. That's why all the smearing doesn't seem to be taking this time.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003295.php

There is a meta-debate going on here, one that I'm not sure even the practitioners fully articulate to themselves and one that I'm painfully aware the victims don't fully understand.

Let's call it the Republicans' Bitch-Slap theory of electoral politics.

It goes something like this.

On one level, of course, the aim behind these attacks is to cast suspicion upon Kerry's military service record and label him a liar. But that's only part of what's going on.

Consider for a moment what the big game is here. This is a battle between two candidates to demonstrate toughness on national security. Toughness is a unitary quality, really -- a personal, characterological quality rather than one rooted in policy or divisible in any real way. So both sides are trying to prove to undecided voters either that they're tougher than the other guy or at least tough enough for the job.

In a post-9/11 environment, obviously, this question of strength, toughness or resolve is particularly salient. That, of course, is why so much of this debate is about war and military service in the first place.

One way -- perhaps the best way -- to demonstrate someone's lack of toughness or strength is to attack them and show they are either unwilling or unable to defend themselves -- thus the rough slang I used above. And that I think is a big part of what is happening here. Someone who can't or won't defend themselves certainly isn't someone you can depend upon to defend you.

Demonstrating Kerry's unwillingness to defend himself (if Bush can do that) is a far more tangible sign of what he's made of than wartime experiences of thirty years ago.

Hitting someone and not having them hit back hurts the morale of that person's supporters, buoys the confidence of your own backers (particularly if many tend toward an authoritarian mindset) and tends to make the person who's receiving the hits into an object of contempt (even if also possibly also one of sympathy) in the eyes of the uncommitted.

This is certainly what Bush's father did to Michael Dukakis and, sadly, it is what Bush himself did, to a great degree, to Al Gore.

[backscatter712]

79. And yes, I will continue to use the term bitchslap in the political sense.

And I don't give a flying fuck what the PC language police think about it. Don't like it? Suck it!

And no, don't tell me that means I approve of actual domestic violence or battering of women. That's utterly ridiculous.

[LooseWilly]

123. No, bitch slap YOU...

Like I said, it's the only thing a bitch slapper will respond to.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

80. No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL0dq1rrR74&feature=related

[apocalypsehow]

81. Whoo-boy. First few days here, suggested Super Bowl Sunday wasn't the best event for women in

abusive relationships. The hate posts and angry, ad hominem-filled replies I received sounded like the crowd at a Sara Palin rally.

Many DU'ers are quite uncomfortable with such subjects.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. And we're uncomfortable with silly disinformation.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

[RetroLounge]

88. Oooh, a Snopes-Slap!

:hi:

RL

[apocalypsehow]

90. It's not a "Snopes-Slap," genius, since I agree with everything in the Snopes article.

Jeeze, some of you people are hard-wired for dumb.

Try "search" next time, employing that cute little gold star you've got.

[RetroLounge]

91. Oooh, was that a bitch-slap?

:eyes:

:rofl:

RL

[apocalypsehow]

93. No, a "bitch-slap" is whenever you post silliness, and someone so easily points it out. As here.

:rofl: , indeed.

[Name removed]

95. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[apocalypsehow]

97. The oddest thing is the necessity of such things as

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

Hard to respect a savant who has to have a :sarcasm: appended to every OP/post/reply to trigger a clue in the feeble gray matter.

The entire "Super Bowl" imbroglio was just such a thing - as, I take it, is this OP. What The Fuck is exactly wrong with some of you eager beavers?

Damn, Born, that's disappointing.

[apocalypsehow]

99. Now, quick, here's what's next: wearing out that alert button. The last resort of the proven wrong.

:eyes:

[RetroLounge]

98. Oh, wow, I guess I've been schooled...

indeed...

:puke:

RL

[apocalypsehow]

100. Not at all: you've just been shown up as someone who's not that bright. Don't take it personally.

There are millions in your unique position, and most of us don't hold it against you in the slightest.

:grouphug:

[RetroLounge]

105. As opposed to someone replying to their own post

over and over?

I guess Overland Park had budget cuts for public schools the one year you were actually in school.

_|_

RL

[apocalypsehow]

106. Uh-huh.

...*snicker*...

I know the second someone posts something from my profile that they are ah-grasping at desperate straws.

We still luv yah, man! :thumbsup:

( :rofl: )

[Name removed]

107. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[apocalypsehow]

109. All the cute ad hominems - Overland Park, Latin, Professor, blah, blah, blah.

The essential truth that human beings hate being proven wrong, and will use any nastiness they can dredge up to kick back against it, is always confirmed when I encounter morons geniuses such as this.

Time to change that profile again, to reflect something else to be used by such idiot savants as a last ditch posting attack gambit...

[RetroLounge]

108. Uh-huh

_|_

RL

[apocalypsehow]

110. Yep. n/t.

[apocalypsehow]

111. Still no cogent answer to a simple question: where do we disagree?

I expect, per usual, no coherent answer. Just more personal attacks.

Those always make me laugh, so, by all means, carry on.

:thumbsup:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

145. Where do we disagree?

Apparently we disagree on whether or not you deserve to be ridiculed when you post silly disinformation.

[apocalypsehow]

146. Except I posted no such thing. As I said before (like fifty times), I agree with every word of that

Snopes article.

What does one have to do around here to convince someone that they are in complete agreement? Telepathy? Sky-writing? Send flowers? :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

147. Yet according to your OP in this thread...

you posted under the mistaken belief that the superbowl is bad for women in abusive relationship, and got ridiculed for it, justifiably.

:shrug:

[apocalypsehow]

149. Exactly right - and shifted my beliefs accordingly after having been given corrective information.

So, where do we disagree? I agree with you on this. That was precisely what my OP was about, though in retrospect I wish I'd included one of these :sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

150. Like I said, we disagree whether or not you deserved to be ridiculed.

You even accused DUers of being close-minded in discussing issues of domestic violence or violence against women. When really, we have little tolerance for lying idiots, or those who try to squirm away when their asses get caught in the wringer.

[apocalypsehow]

154. No, that's NOT where we disagree: whether I'm "ridiculed" or not is a matter of indifference to me,

since it's not like this means anything in the real world life all of us live in. So, ridicule away.

We're talking past each other, but let me try again:

1. I take this OP - the one posted by trumad - to be a sarcastic attempt to "ridicule," if you will, those who attempt to limit language or censor phrases or whatever you want to call it on DU by saying "bitch-slap" is sexist.

2. My post was a direct corollary to that, and was meant to be sarcastic in reply. I should have posted a :sarcasm: with it, because it is obvious that after numerous flat-out "I don't believe that crap; I agree with you" replies the dense among us still don't seem to comprende.

3. I will say it again, this time slower: I. AGREE. WITH. YOU. That is not a "squirm away" - if you use search and go back to the original "Super Bowl" imbroglio I was referencing you will see that I came down on the side of Bornagain and the Snopes article, and accepted due chastisement.

Now, again I ask, where do we disagree? :shrug:

[nomaco-10]

155. self delete. hit wrong reply. n/t

[RetroLounge]

159. No need to ridicule...

Just let it post and reply to itself, then sit back and laugh.

RL

[apocalypsehow]

164. Yeah - do that. n/t.

[RetroLounge]

113. uh huh

eom

[apocalypsehow]

114. Yep.

Still unable to point out where we disagree on this matter? Besides the basic assholishness displayed on certain poster's parts?

I'm genuinely curious.

:shrug:

[apocalypsehow]

117. Ah, just got the MOST interesting pm about this: the term "cuban liberal" was used.

Fascinating.

It sorta/kinda starts to make sense...

:rofl:

[RetroLounge]

134. Really, are you okay?

Did you take your meds? I'm starting to worry for your sanity...

RL

[apocalypsehow]

148. Ah, now we shift from talking about something on my profile page to "did you take your meds" -

a hardy perennial on the internet from those who have little to say. You are nothing if not predictable.

[apocalypsehow]

122. That's to keep everything as nice and orderly as we can here.

But, being a "long-time" DU'er, you surely knew that, right? Right?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Gawd, I love long-time lurkers who pm.

[RetroLounge]

158. You reply to my post and then lie

to make it look like I PM'd you when I did no such thing, did I?

Maybe more smilies will save you from looking so stupid, but I doubt it...

RL

[apocalypsehow]

163. I never implied that YOU sent me anything (and you didn't): now you're just making stuff up. n/t.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

166. "now you're just making stuff up"

Hey, he's not the one who thinks the superbowl causes domestic violence.

[apocalypsehow]

167. And neither do I. n/t.

[RetroLounge]

171. If you replied to MY post...

it looks as if you're talking to me.

Is that so hard to understand?

:eyes:

RL

[apocalypsehow]

173. And I WAS talking to you: someone had sent me a pm about our back and forth.

No where was it implied that YOU were the sender.

Is that so hard to understand?

:eyes:, indeed.

[RetroLounge]

174. and I give a fuck about someone else?

of course you were implying exactly what you wanted to imply.

Oh, and nice "deleted messages."

First time I've seen some asshat on DU respond to himself, and then get his own replies deleted.

:rofl:

RL

[apocalypsehow]

175. You fail to grasp how two-way conversation works - go practice in the mirror.

And, yeah, I saw the mods deleted a bunch of your personal attacks. I think they do a good job.

:thumbsup:

[apocalypsehow]

89. In point of fact I agreed with every bit of that You don't even know what I posted, which reinforces

my original point. The hair-trigger ejaculation jag of "silly disinformation" without the slightest bit of nuance, or context.

Sorry I offended your Fork-buddy: I know you two are tight. Rushing to a buddies defense is such a sweet moment of tenderness; I won't interfere.

Why don't you use the "search" function to look up in the archives what I ACTUALLY wrote, and the actual replies I received, instead of playing cute with Snopes?

[Drunken Irishman]

94. Guys don't slap, girls do.

Being bitch slapped means you've been slapped by a bitch.

Hope that helps.

[BigBearJohn]

96. I've seen every imaginable swear word here on DU, but we can't use this one?

hmphf

[TexasObserver]

101. Connote or denote?

Is it implying, or are you inferring?

Is the saying in context used to denote or connote violence toward women? Not typically.

When we say "Rachel Maddow whipped his ass," we don't mean she beat his behind with a switch.

[redqueen]

120. So pedantic...

I mean that in a good way.

[TexasObserver]

131. I should have said "it can be, if you read it that way, but it isn't usually meant that way"

I probably should have said that, plainly.

I understand how people can take offense, and in some contexts, offense should be taken. Most of the time, however, it's just a comment that means someone gave someone else their comeuppance.

[redqueen]

135. I totally agree...

but I'm glad you stated it as you did.

[TexasObserver]

139. I just wanted to use "comeuppance!"

It's so seldom I get a chance to use it.


Back to the topic at hand, we choose whether to laugh or shriek at stimuli, and one thing I like about Obama is the way he grins so wide when McCain says something particularly nasty. He takes wry pleasure in knowing he has gotten Grumpy so riled up. He admits in his first book doing that with his grandfather when he was a teenager.

I tend to avoid "bitch" here under any context, because I only want to offend people by saying things I choose to be offensive.

[kwenu]

102. It isn't a term that is exclusive to women by any means. Tell us what you think?

[cynatnite]

103. This is what I think a bitch slap is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv73yzYuE_M

I've never viewed it as violence against women.

[Lorien]

121. That's exactly a bitch slap!

man, that was uncomfortable.

[nomaco-10]

104. This thread is bitchin' dude. n/t

[DainBramaged]

118. Don't shake those keys........

:shrug:

[MrSlayer]

125. No.

Bitches aren't only women.

[JimGinPA]

126. I See How This Question Dramatically Affects The Presidential Race

Oh, wait...

[DainBramaged]

129. Agenda

–noun, formally a plural of. agendum, but usually used as a singular with plural. -das or -da. a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.: The chairman says we have a lengthy agenda this afternoon.


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[Robeson]

127. No.

[Borgnine]

130. I'm a man. I tend to be a bitch.

And yes, I probably need to be slapped.

Is this really all we have to talk about?

[bridgit]

132. You don't wanna know

[SteppingRazor]

136. Eh, I'll go ahead and take the other side here. I don't find "bitch slap" to be misogynistic.

A bitch slap is a backhanded slap. Nothing more, nothing less. We can discuss the etymology of the phrase, which certainly may have misogynistic roots, but I don't think use of the phrase in and of itself is a display of a misogynistic personality.

[JVS]

137. No. The bitch and the pimp varieties of slap indicate how the slapper slapped.

And this shit was covered years ago.

[Curtland1015]

140. Holy crap! Mr. B Natural!!!

I loves me some MST3K!!!

[jonnyblitz]

141. it connotates violence towards women if it is women that are

getting bitch-slapped. if it is a man getting bitch-slapped then it is violence toward the man. :shrug:

that being said, I would never use the term just to be safe.

[slackmaster]

143. If a man gets bitch-slapped, it's homophobic

:nuke:

[Curtland1015]

144. What if a gay man is slapping another gay man?

This is so confusing!

[renie408]

142. If you call your undershirt a 'wife beater' are you encouranging spousal abuse? n/t

[nini]

151. Not any more

It's an all encompassing insult to anyone who deserves it.

[Kokonoe]

156. Not sure, but the women in this movie seem violent.

http://www.bitchslapmovie.com/

[Butch350]

157. I thought it meant - getting slapped by a woman.?! (wrong)?

[mitchum]

169. It's shoptalk for pimps

it certainly connotes violence toward women

[ClarkUSA]

170. WTH cares? Why don't you google before you come here with a chip on your shoulder?

There are a helluva lot more important things than this crap.