My DH is voting Obama, however he listens to RW radio & came home to tell me this...

[NotThisTime]

Clarification, DH = Dear Husband, or as someone else said Disinformed Husband LOL...


OK, every day it's the same thing... he comes home to tell me what the Right Wing crap of the day is, and then asks me to give him the truth.

I do this everyday, because I know he truly wants Change and he sees the problems we are in. But he's DRIVING ME CRAZY.

Today the RW says that Obama told a plumber that his taxes would go up so he could spread the wealth. And that Barack's tax plan gives money back to people who don't work so we'd be a welfare state, and the third topic of the day, that the difference between making 245K-250K a year is 35K, so people will work under the table when they get to 250K.

Unbelievable :( Why does he do this to me.... I'm tired of refuting every right wing piece of crap that's said.... On the other hand DH doesn't care about Wright or Obama being a Muslim (he knows he isn't)

I'm sure others here go through the same crap at home..

[rucky]

1. Maybe that's why McCain's offering $50/hr lettuce-picking jobs?

[RockaFowler]

2. I just heard some of this on MSNBC

The person just mentioned the exact same thing about the plumber. Where is this supposed plumber who is making over $250K a year??

[NotThisTime]

10. I'd like to know that as well cause a plumber sure makes a lot more than DH with a Physics degree!!!

And if this guy is a small business and actually has employee's, he gets a tax deduction for every one of them!

[lisa58]

3. You have a designated hitter? - what's a dh? - and I can't imagine having to do that every day

[Demit]

4. that third topic thing makes no sense to me.

And how can the tax plan give money back to people if they don't work, and thus don't pay taxes? Your husband needs that refuted?

[NotThisTime]

15. Yes, he's a semi reformed RW'er thus he still listens to their crap on the radio!

Thank God he's finally voting for a Democrat however.... and you're right, these points almost NEVER make any sense WHAT SO EVER!!!

He's a smart guy, but he's seriously lacking common sense LOL...

[sasquatch]

5. Well that's Clear Channel's reason for being, they love the RW and can only when w/lies and fear

[monmouth]

6. Boy, another reason to be grateful I'm single...LOL...n/t

[damonm]

7. Your DH?

Double-Header? Designated Hitter? Dopey Husband?

Don't refute it all yourself - refer him to www.FactCheck.org, www.snopes.com, etc. SHOW him how the RW lies out of both sides of its mouth, and ask, "why do you believe a single word they say?"

[Claire Beth]

8. What's a DH?

[NotThisTime]

9. DH = Dear Husband LOL

[sweetpotato]

14. Or Damn Husband, depending - nt

[DesertRat]

11. disinformed husband. n/t

[NotThisTime]

16. THAT'S IT!!! You hit the nail on the head!! I'll have to slip that in LOL...

[luvs2sing]

12. My dear, sweet mother...

(rest her soul), who was the most liberal and well-informed person I think I've ever known used to listen to Rush, watch Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, the whole nine yards. She'd call me ranting and raving about what they said. One time, I asked why she listened to them when they made her so angry and, without skipping a beat, she shot back, "Well SOMEONE has to keep an eye on what THOSE PEOPLE are doing!" :rofl:

Mom passed in late 1999, and for most of the last eight years, I've said over and over, "Oh, thank God Mom isn't around to see this"...Bush's first term, 9/11, the 2004 election... This year, I find myself wishing she were here...we'd be having the best phone calls right about now! :D

[NotThisTime]

18. I think I would have loved your mother!

[RoadRage]

29. I TOTALLY ADMIT TO WATCHING RUSH..

I can't help myself.. I only do it in 3 - 4 minute bursts.. i can't go much longer then that. And, I end up screaming at the radio.. and cursing like a mad-woman.. but I do listen sometimes because it's like watching a train-wreck.

I love to hear the RW justify and pander to every stupid thing that's going wrong. Honestly, if we were behind in the polls.. i probably wouldn't listen, but I like to hear them sputter and talk over themselves and stare in AWE about what is happening and how their bs games didn't work (operation Chaos MY ASS). :)

I know i'm contributing to his advertising and hence, his $400,000,000 salary.. but I just can't stop. It's like crack.

[Cirque du So-What]

13. I'm guessing you're referring to your 'Dear Husband' as 'DH'

[DevonRex]

27. I was thinking designated hitter. :)

[TuxedoKat]

17. How about

buying him a satellite radio and a subscription for XM/Sirius?

[NotThisTime]

19. I did! He doesn't listen to the XM :(

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

20. But if he thinks you can tell him the truth and it doesn't jibe with what he

listens to on the radio. Why the fuck does he keep listening????? (excuse my language it's not directed at you)

[NotThisTime]

22. I have no idea, I think it's a habit he can't break after so many years, I told him to STOP

listening. At least he comes home to ask my opinion of what they said, and what do I know about it. In this area he knows that I know what I'm talking about. He trusts me more this election season than he ever has before.... after 15 years that's saying something!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

24. If only there was a way to tamper with his radio to keep certain stations blocked.

I'm just kidding, well kind of.

[NotThisTime]

32. you're onto something!!! I'm going to try this I think :)

[HughMoran]

21. Geez, the more of these post I read

The more I come to wonder about the intelligence of men - and I are one :silly:

[Omerrrta]

23. plumber was on fox news

there was video but no audio it was when obama was walking around that neighborhood knocking on doors.
the plumber was just on fox news and he said "redistribution of wealth", which tells me he is likely a hannity or rush listener and wasnt voting for obama anyway.

[Vinca]

25. If plumbers net $250,000 a year, I'm going out to buy wrenches. nt

[OKNancy]

31. I'm wondering.. is it gross income or net

I suppose a plumber with employees could make $250,00 gross, but if he nets $250,000...
I'm not so sure. And also is the $250,000 after deductions (agi)?

[Vinca]

35. You pay taxes on net income (after deductions), not gross.

That's why Obama's $250,000 is actually very generous as business goes. Someone could be running a multimillion dollar business and end up under $250,000 as their profit.

[ShortnFiery]

38. "You pay taxes on net income (after deductions), not gross." How many plumbers NET $250,000?!?

:shrug:

[Lex]

43. exactly!

[DevonRex]

26. My DH feels sorry for McCain and doesn't think he's as bad as

I say he is. Policy-wise he knows McCain is just awful. But he doesn't think McCain is doing this terrorist stuff deliberately. And that is what drives me nuts.

He knows it ticks me off, so I think that is why he does it. Husbands. Hmph.

[NotThisTime]

33. My Husband on the other hand feels McCain has been completely erratic & cannot trust him.

That's why he's voting Obama, but he still listens to this right wing crap!

[Lerrad]

28. Tell him to listen to Ed Schultz on Air America...

... he will find his answerers there.

DH = Dumb Husband

[Raine1967]

30. Ed Schultz is not on Air America

But Thom is... :D

[OnionPatch]

36. And Thom is the BEST!

At least in my book, he is.

[Stop Cornyn]

34. My DH is a southpaw but he bats righty

[Canuckistanian]

37. "gives money back to people"?

Funny how they never phrase it that way when it's tax cuts for the rich.

In that case, the meme is "let you keep more of your hard-earned money".

Do rich people put money to better use than poor people?

[seasat]

39. He's wrong on the difference in taxes. RW radio lies.

What he heard was a lie. Under Obama's tax plan at 250k the marginal tax rate goes up from 34% to 39%. What that means is you pay the same tax as everyone else on lower parts of your income but you pay a higher tax on every dollar above that level. That means that after all the deductions if you still have an income of over 250k you will pay the higher rate on each dollar above 250k. The difference in tax from 245k to 250k is 0.34 * $5000 = $1,700 and the difference in tax from 250k to 255k is $1,950 under Obama's proposal.

I have no idea where they came up with the 35k difference tax number. It sounds like posterior postulation to me. Even if you wrongly apply those rates to the full income, then you only get a difference of $14,200 not 35k.

The other point is that if the plumber's business has total revenues of 280,000, like he estimated, then he likely will not be taxed at the higher rate. He will likely pay an even lower rate than he does now because Obama's plan for small businesses includes several generous deductions like lower capital gains taxes. He'll likely have enough deductions that he'll never reach the 250k marginal rate for his net income.

[slampoet]

40. "245K-250K a year is 35K, so people will work under the table when they get to 250K."

This is absurd. How do you get paid 5-10k a year in cash?

[depakid]

42. More absurd is that he aparently doesn't understand marginal taxation rates

[annabanana]

41. You need to read the whole transcript... the clips shown distort (of course)

It's here:

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8430006241001/m/3180009202001

[Lex]

44. There is a difference between a COMPANY grossing $250,000 & a guy making $250,000 as his income.

Companies have all kinds of deductible items to bring their gross down to whatever it netted as profit.

This plumber is making $250K a year? As take home pay out his business? :wtf:

[demokatgurrl]

45. You could make it really simple...

Just tell him that everything he hears, except perhaps the weather and stockmarket reports, is a LIE.

[BlooInBloo]

46. Thanks - I always wondered what "DH" meant.

[bkinsd]

47. Your Designated Hitter?

[olegramps]

48. DH, DH- oh Dumb Hick

[HootieMcBoob]

49. link of full transcript

did you give him this to read?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7451208