Shame On Jesse Jackson

[SurfingAtWork]

If anyone thinks he isn't delibratley sabotaging Obama, they're deluded.

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PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.

Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm?page=0

[Danger Mouse]

1. Obama would say that Jackson does not speak for him, I am sure.

[Bicoastal]

4. Of course he speaks for him! They're both BLACK, aren't they?

:sarcasm:

[Marsala]

24. He probably needs to say that, since Jackson does seem to think that he speaks for Obama

Way to balance out the Floridian Jewish vote's fear of Palin, Jesse. Sheesh.

[EffieBlack]

51. Shhh black man. Don't say anything about Israel so that you don't mess up Florida for Obama

Shhhh . . .

[TornadoTN]

56. Pssshh, Jesse's all about himself and that's it

He's having a tough time adapting to the new reality that he's brought upon himself - his opinion and his voice is highly irrelevant. Once you step in your own piles of shit enough, the stench doesn't wear off too easily.

[Common Sense Party]

2. Do you think he's incorrect, or just impolitic in actually saying so

out loud?

[SurfingAtWork]

7. I think that his timing is not an accident.

We presently have a "by the skin of our teeth" lead in Florida, and this doesn't help that at all.

[Common Sense Party]

12. In other words, he's right, but he shouldn't say so now?

Because I think the Zionists will have much less influence under Obama--doesn't mean that he's anti-Israel, just that he won't be a lackey like the RW presidents are.

[nsd]

16. I think Jackson is talking out of his ass.

He is not in Obama's inner circle. He doesn't know anything.

[Common Sense Party]

19. That's true. He's just like any other celebrity supporter spouting

off about what he thinks his candidate will do.

Unfortunately, by dint of his celebrity, people pay attention to what he says.

[leftynyc]

87. I don't think he's right at all

And I doubt very much he's had anything to do with the Obama campaign after announcing to the world he wants to cut his balls off. Rev Jackson a jealous man and I think it's killing him that Sen Obama is doing so incredibly well without him.

[HughMoran]

29. 1) he's supposing out loud 2) his timing is just moronic

He never knew when to shut his self-important mouth anyway.

[Common Sense Party]

32. That's true, he has always thought highly of his own opinion.

But I do think the pro-Zionists will have much less clout in an Obama administration, and I don't think it's anti-Semitic to say so.

I guess he shouldn't say so until November 5th.

[HughMoran]

35. Yeah, I would prefer he waited a few weeks

It's unlikely what he says will be of concern to many, but you never know - the Repukes are desperate.

[Common Sense Party]

38. Desperados...watch as they swing for the fences

With wild innuendo and smug inferences

[Lilith Velkor]

90. Jackson is incorrect

Obama has repeatedly telegraphed his intention to uphold the status quo re: Israel. Had he not, he would never have gotten the nomination.

[rvablue]

3. Jesse Jackson is my Ralph Nader column.....

the "Please Shut Up" column.

[KathieG]

9. He's in mine too. Ugh.

[OKNancy]

5. Maybe not deliberate, but it is impolitic

Jesse is not always wise

[Alhena]

6. He and Farrakhan both are doing Obama no favors

[democracy1st]

8. he needs to stfu with that bs rhetoric

[Common Sense Party]

14. But which part of it is BS?

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Obama will once again be held accountable for what other black folks say

This is bullshit.

[Number23]

78. It's a sad fact but it's still a fact. And Jesse knows that better than anyone

Obama will once again be held accountable for what other black folks say

If someone could give Jesse and Bill Clinton a bag of groceries and drop them off on a deserted island for about 3 weeks, I'd be a happy woman.

[MnFats]

11. despite being a tad (more than a tad)antsemitic....

i think Jesse Jackson is hella-jealous of Obama. He wanted so badly to be where Obama is...remember the crude comment Jackson made

[ecstatic]

13. ny post isn't a credible news source... Aren't they one rung above TMZ

or something?

[MNDemNY]

15. Maybe he fears a Black man in the White house will make him irrelevant.

[alwysdrunk]

34. I really hope so, his era is over

It is past time to move on from Jesse.

[mitchum]

55. Jackson has already been irrelevant for years; making sure one gets plenty...

of MLK's blood on one's dashiki can only carry one so far

[genna]

17. We, Blacks, had a meeting and decided that the New York Post reports truth.

:thumbsdown:

Of course, after all this time running, Obama needs to answer for the Congressional Black Caucus votes and anything Jesse Jackson says including the part about him wanting to cut Obama's nuts off.

:sarcasm:

How many understanding progressives know that all Black people don't think or speak alike? I saw a divide in the primary about how 90% or more of Black people voting one way is a conspiracy to protect one of our own. What is the Schick now?

[political_Dem]

22. Thank you.

[ej510]

26. Jesse Jackson has no clout in the black community.

[political_Dem]

33. I get constantly tired of people waving around Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

as if they are the "leaders" of the black community. It's been going on as one of the myths perpetuated by RW talk radio and brought up every time race is discussed.

I've always felt like asking these questions everytime a white person brings up Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton:

Are Billy Graham and John Hagee the "leaders" of the white community? Does McCain have to answer for what Billy Graham and John Hagee says?

No? Well, why would you even think that of Black folks?

Btw, I wonder if people forget that Rev. Jackson was by Dr. Rev. MLK's side when he was shot. He saw the assassination with his own eyes.

[EffieBlack]

41. But Jackson and Sharpton are the black boogeymen!

They gonna get you if you don't watch out.

And Obama KNOWS them! That means that HE could be a black boogeyman, too!

Better watch out!

[TornadoTN]

59. So that excuses him of all of his wrongdoings, right?

Giving credit where credit is due - he has done some awesome things in his time and has contributed mightily to Civil Rights and the advances we have made as a society in that regard.

But the times have passed him by and its apparent that he's struggling with the fact that his bad decisions and the natural evolution of things have seen his influence fade. Sure, a lot of it has been blown out of proportion by the media, but he has done a lot of that damage himself and he should shoulder that blame.

Perhaps it's just that he's not very adept at phrasing his words in the midst of a volatile and important election, but his track record within the context of this campaign just doesn't give me a whole lot of hope that this was merely taken out of context.

[Number23]

79. You and me both!

I get constantly tired of people waving around Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as if they are the "leaders" of the black community.

Even my 78-year old grandmother can't stand Jesse. And nobody I know has anything good to say about Al except that his press 'n curl is always 'tight and right'.

I'd like to add Mr. Sharpton to my earlier list of folks (Bill and Jesse) to get dropped off on a deserted island with a bag of groceries. Better make it two bags now, Al looks like he could put it away.....

[SurfingAtWork]

23. I'm not sure if that vitirol was directed at me. If it was

1. I was unaware that this source was on the "do not use" list

2. I realize that just because Jesse Jackson says something doesn't mean that it is something that Obama must address/denounce/apologize for, however the that doesn't mean the McCain campaign aided by the MSM won't try to use this against them.

I think my point was only that this was done with the intent to dmage Obama and put him on defense. I don't know if that is what will happen, but I believe that was the intent.

[EffieBlack]

45. Why do you think that Jesse Jackson said it? Because a Post columnist said he did?

If he did, why didn't the columnist include the entire quote, and not just a snippet?

Don't you find it suspicious that only a portion of the sentence has been quoted and that no one is quoting his entire comment? Did it occur to you that they have taken it out of context to provoke exactly the reaction you and several others are having?

I'm really surprised that some of you would so eagerly chomp down such obvious bait.

[leftynyc]

88. Rev Jackson is free to deny this

Where is his denial that he said this at all? Where is his transcript of what he said? He can put a stop to this immediately if he chose to.

[EffieBlack]

94. he DID deny it

Maybe there is no transcript because maybe he didn't say anything.

Why doesn't the guy who claims he said produce something more than a couple of sentence fragments? He didn't even explain in what context Jackson supposedly said this. Was he speaking on a panel? Was he giving a speech? Was this said in an interview with the columnist? Did he say this to an informal group? Was he overheard saying it at the next table? Basic reporting 101 is that you state in what situation was a quote was given.

[leftynyc]

99. In answer to your first question

I saw later in the day that Rev Jackson did deny it and I believe him.

As far as the second part of your questions, it really is meaningless in the larger sense of the issue. It wouldn't matter where or in what context something like that was said in order for it to cause a big stink.

[demosincebirth]

18. I hope it doesn't get in the MSM

[Common Sense Party]

21. I Googled. So far it's just in the far-right nutty news sources:

NY Post, Fox News, PowerLine and Ha'aretz.

[EffieBlack]

42. And now, Democratic Underground . . .

[Common Sense Party]

46. Where else would the right-wingnuts go for news? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

66. Ha'aretz is not a "far-right nutty news source."

[Common Sense Party]

70. Well, they're simply quoting the NY Post, so on this story, they are.

[Behind the Aegis]

75. That is illogical.

It would mean every time DU quotes a right-winger or the NYT or UK Guardian quotes other right-wing source, they too are nutty right-wing sources. It is that same "logic" that means every time a straight guy goes into a gay bar, he's suddenly gay. :eyes:

[EffieBlack]

49. I'm sure the MSM reads the Post. Perhaps they've already determined this piece is crap.

Unlike those here who jumped all over it just because it was in print.

[BklnDem75]

20. I don't know...

It is the New York Post and they're breaking up Jackson's quotes, speaking for him. Saying what he 'conveyed' and what he 'believes.' I'll hold off condemning Jackson until I get his actual speech.

[EffieBlack]

27. THANK you!

[Essene]

some people jsut have an ax to grind. this is a father/son thing

[EffieBlack]

25. You're relying on the New York Post quoting a portion of a sentence as a source?

Interesting thing - I googled this to find out the entire quote and the only thing I could find was just what the NY Post cited - an incomplete quote.

Sorry - this is not enough by a longshot to justify your claim that Jackson is trying to sabotage anyone. It sounds like a standard right-wing echo chamber smear campaign to me.

[Hieronymus]

28. Poor Jesse, still trying to keep his toe in the water ... he's so yesterday.

[Cha]

30. Recently, Obama said something about

Jesse Jackson in reference to someone speaking like him and it wasn't exactly a compliment(sorry can't remember)..but I thought "that isn't nearly as bad as what Jackson said about Obama when he thought the mic was OFF.

[PlanetBev]

31. I'm very upset by this...

Jackson is a jealous piece of shit. If you don't think this will become a Right-Wing/MSM narrative, you're kidding yourself.

Take my word, this will spook the Jews, they still remember Jackson's "Hymietown" comment. Just ask me, my parents and brother are voting for McCain because they think he's good for Israel.

Thanks for nothing, Reverend.

[CakeGrrl]

37. "Hymietown" - all the more reason Jews should be wary of Jackson's position

If the RW tries to play this up, it could be another backfire. Distance between Obama and Jackson Sr. will probably benefit Obama.

[EffieBlack]

39. Wow - based upon a fragment of a "quote" in a NY Post opinion column, you attack Rev. Jackson as a

"pos?"

You don't find it odd that no reputable news outlet has quoted Rev. Jackson as saying this and that the only outlets that are reporting this are using the same fragments that this columnist is using?

Shame on you and everyone else who is swallowing this unattributed swipe without bothering to verify whether Rev. Jackson actually said this or not or, if he did, in what context it was said.

[TornadoTN]

54. So I guess the good Reverend (haha) has never done anything wrong during this campaign?

I guess that little MIC disaster was just "misconstrued"?

It's not a far stretch to believe that Jesse would say something like this. I'm tired of giving him the benefit of the doubt when every time I do, Jesse shows his true colors.

[EffieBlack]

61. Because Jackson is not perfect, you believe ANYTHING you read about him?

I see.

[TTUBatfan2008]

36. I'm tired of Jesse Jackson...

Fuck him. Jesse needs to get the hell out of politics and perhaps, you know, do the Lord's work for a change.

[galaxy21]

40. Hillary: Shame on you Jesse Jackson!

[vanderBeth]

50. *giggle*

[LibraLiz1973]

43. Jesse has lost his mind.

I stand by my assertion that he is attacking Obama for personal reasons. Like, he's jealous that Obama got farther than he did.
He needs to grow up and realize this is a different time. He helped pave the way, and he should be proud of that, and proud of Obama.
He is tarnishing his legacy with this bullshit.

[blogslut]

44. The New York Post?

pfft

[EffieBlack]

47. If one is already predisposed to believe the worst about him, what difference does the source make?

[TornadoTN]

53. What?! It's plainly clear that he said this and it's calculated jealousy

I just wonder who's financing Jesse's tongue to get it wagging about like this.

[EffieBlack]

63. How is it "plainly clear that he said this?" Because a NY Post columnist said he did?

Why didn't he quote Jackson's whole comment - or even the entire sentence? Why hasn't any other journalist reported that Jackson said this? Why is it that the only references to this supposed comment are found in right-wing blogs - all of them citing this Post piece.

Sadly, it is clear that certain people - you, included - will believe anything negative that anyone says about Jackson, regardless the source, and that there is no need to offer anything more than out-of-context sentence fragments to stir up the anger and derision of such persons?

If you are so certain he really said this, don't you wonder why none of the MSM pick up on it? After all, they are hardly reticent to criticize Jackson when they think it appropriate. But they've stayed away from this one. Maybe they took the time to actually check this out and found out it's either not true or at least not verifiable.

But you and others here are so quick to jump on Jackson for a so-far unsubstantiated accusation - and you are doing in such terms and language that would make your posts fit right into freeperland.

Pathetic.

No shame on Jackson - a man who has done more for the cause of equal rights and justice than most of you who bleat and blather and sneer at him from the safety of your computers could ever dream of doing in twenty lifetimes.

No shame on him. The shame is on you.

[Hope08]

48. Run Jesse Run

Away. Far, far away.

[TornadoTN]

52. So how much money did Limbaugh & Hannity throw at the Reverend (haha) to do this?

Jesse Jackson is a moron and he's proved it time after time in recent history.

Such a shame too, because he did some great work for the Civil Rights movement. But his legacy is now tarnished by bad decision making and a tongue that doesn't know when to stop. It's all Jesse, all the time in his world.

If anyone takes this pandering fool seriously anymore, they deserve the idiocy that they get heaped on them.

[EffieBlack]

58. You're swallowing the words of a NY Post columnist and you call Rev. Jackson a moron!

:rofl:

This entire thread is too precious.

[anaxarchos]

76. I wouldn't have thought, "precious"...

Maybe "entitled", or "ignorant", or "toxic"? Certainly the people on this thread have the right to repeat the worst right-wing smears or the most childish pop psychology about Reverend Jackson. A lifetime of struggle does not even begin to equal the inconvenience or the concern voiced here. Yes, shut up, Reverend Jackson. Speak only when we tell you and repeat only what we tell you to say. Better, fade away like all old soldiers should. It is obvious that you are not needed here anymore. "We" are so post-modern now. Who needs you?

[WinkyDink]

57. "Zionists...have controlled American policy" = a canard.

[politicasista]

60. Looks like he found another "Hot Mic"

Somebody needs to teach him how to whisper. :rofl:

[Convertee]

62. I agree with everything he said and hope it all hpapens.

[kwenu]

64. Jesse needs to sit his ass down somewhere and zip it. He speaks for no one but himself.

[Blondiegrrl]

65. Pssssst! Yo, Jesse: Jesus loves you ...

... everyone else thinks you're an asshole.

[fujiyama]

67. What a worthless piece of shit

He hasn't accomplished anything in 30+ years, having ridden on MLK Jr's coattails earlier in his career.

That son of a bitch is so obviously trying to sink Obama's chances in any way he can. Fuck him. It's so obvious he's bitter and jealous that Obama has been able to do what he couldn't and he did it by not kissing the rings of the likes of Jackson. No wonder his son and him don't really get along.

And isn't funny that he's sitting in some lakeside resort, while if he wanted to try to help he may have been campaigning. Then again, on second thought the only thing he'd do by campaigning is drive away potential voters. He has no influence or credibility in any community.

[MrSlayer]

68. Does anyone even care what he has to say anymore?

Jesse is only about Jesse.

[Frank Booth]

69. Sounds like Jesse's still trying to cut Obama's nuts off.

[nomaco-10]

71. It just goes to show what an exemplary candidate and all round.....

decent human being Obama is. He has had to get past the DLC, the old guard, the clinton machine, the remarks of rev wright, the FUX news empire, rush limpballs, scurrilous email spams meant to slime and smear him with vicious lies, even horrible attacks on his wife.

It's a testament to him as a man and a leader that he is still standing at all and up as much as 10 points in some polls.

GOBAMA

[funflower]

72. The NY Post is horsesh*t, and this "reporter" is a neocon operative.

[Duke Newcombe]

73. Rev. Jackson: Thank you for your service.

Now, go on a nice, looooooong vacation for, say...the REST OF YOUR FREEKIN' LIFE!!!

[crankychatter]

74. Taheri was a mouthpiece for the Shah of Iran and advocates WAR WITH IRAN FOR REGIME CHANGE

so driving a wedge into the heart of the democratic party

is Jesse Jackson's fault?

you know what?

FUCK THIS OP and all you bandwagon hopping, neo-conned fools

Sitting up in this house, three weeks prior to the election, cheerleading a fuckin' neocon warhawk

YOU, should be ashamed... jesse jackson has the audacity to be himself, right OR wrong

ya'all are acting like sheep

[EffieBlack]

80. THANK YOU!!!

It's very interesting that NO ONE ELSE seems to have heard Jesse Jackson say this - not a single other journalist or any other participant has stepped forward to say that they heard this comment. And it's very strange that this comment is so carefully excerpted in this column so that it's completely out of context.

It's also very sad to see so many so-called "libersl Democrats" engage in this kind of knee-jerk, hateful and ill-informed pile-on that is virtually indistinguishable from the trash spewn by the right wing.

It says much more about those doing the piling on than it does about Rev. Jackson.

[bridgit]

77. disagree as a practical matter

[DrTeeth]

81. he's just mad because

Obama didn't let him "turn the pange"

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/tv-funhouse-the-obama-files/229108/

[EffieBlack]

82. You take the word of THIS guy?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedco...

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFsO8Zbi...

Obama camp hits back at Iraq double-talk claim
Sep 15, 2008

PUEBLO, Colorado (AFP) — Barack Obama's White House campaign angrily denied Monday a report that he had secretly urged the Iraqis to postpone a deal to withdraw US troops until after November's election.

In the New York Post, conservative Iranian-born columnist Amir Taheri quoted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari as saying the Democrat made the demand when he visited Baghdad in July, while publicly demanding an early withdrawal . . .

The Republican campaign of John McCain seized on the report to accuse Obama of double-speak on Iraq, calling it an "egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas."

But Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri's article bore "as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial."

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

. . .
"These outright distortions will not changes the facts."

[SurfingAtWork]

83. FWIW, had I to do it over again I wouldn't have posted this.

My worry is that this would get picked up by the MSM. It hasn't clearly, which probably means this story was bunk. My apologies.

[leftynyc]

89. It was on MSNBC this morning (n/t)

[EffieBlack]

95. I appreciate this. No apology to me necessary . . . n/t

[newyorklenny]

84. that's perfect for McCain

I'm sure McCain will seize on this right away.

[SurfingAtWork]

85. Your font is strange

[stillcool]

98. kind of familar too...odd

[SurfingAtWork]

86. .

[LynneSin]

91. Jesse Jackson is gonna ruin his kids chance of getting Obama's senate seat

I've heard that Jesse Jackson Jr. was on the short list to replace Obama in the senate but that ain't going to happen if Dad keeps spouting off at the mouth. We need a senator in that seat who can hold on to it when it comes up for re-election in 2010. And I know that JJ Jr. is a great US representative but unfortunately his dad will be the downfall of his career, and that's a real shame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson_Jr.

[zulchzulu]

92. Fox Snooze reported it and Jackson said he was taken out of context

Obama's team already nuked the statement... I do wish Jesse would take a vacation until November 5 however... he's a live wire... love him, but...

[EffieBlack]

93. He WAS out of the country . . . at an economic forum at which has not been quoted in any other

context. Sounds to me like he WAS staying out of the way until some right wing hack decided to put words into his mouth.

[SurfingAtWork]

96. Edit: never mind, they are simply citing this story

[stillcool]

97. New York Post Opinion Piece?

I agree. The person who wrote this article is deliberately trying to sabotage Senator Obama.

[kswheels]

100. To quote Barbershop...

"Fuck Jesse Jackson!"