McCain's abortion answer ended it. And I don't mean the debate, I mean the election.

[Faygo Kid]

Constant refrain of "pro-abortion," about such a personal decision. Then to ridicule the exception for the life of the mother - that's the end. And his answer on the Supreme Court and abortion? It was awful.

It was over before this debate, but that's the end.

[Hepburn]

1. Pissed me off ROYAL....

...like the woman's life means fucking NOTHING!!!! :grr:

Bastard....!!!!

[cynatnite]

8. I jumped out of my chair when he said that n/t

[Hepburn]

15. That makes two of us....

...like it is some LIE or a JOKE and that NO woman could die because of complications that happen late in a pregnancy....so the health exception is just pro-abortionist lie.

Fuck him...he really made me angry with that totally uneducated remark.

[RadicalTexan]

40. Fuck that - what about the woman's life being ruined psychologically and financially

because she was forced to have a baby she didn't want?

I AM NOT YOUR INCUBATOR, JOHN MCCAIN! KISS MY ASS!

[Laelth]

50. Hear, hear. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[Lefty-Taylor]

12. Yep. BREATHTAKINGLY arrogant and dismissive of women's health and concerns.

What a haughty bastard. :grr:

[Blondiegrrl]

52. He'll do anything to protect the life of the unborn ...

... but not a word of concern for the already born. I think that shows contempt for women everywhere. What are we, brood mares?

[ehrnst]

61. After they're born, women get these pesky "personalities" and "self-determination needs"

The Unborn are a blank slate. Much, much more appealing than an actual kid or pregnant woman.

Fetuses are the ultimate 'victim' to these types, just floating out in space, not bothering anyone until some selfish woman comes out of nowhere to kill it.


It makes them feel like the ultimate hero to 'save' fetuses from their uteri.

[leftynyc]

72. I was stunned into silence

when he made light of "life of the mother". I simply cannot believe he didn't know how stupid that was and how women were going to feel about that.

[Hieronymus]

2. Yes

[Danger Mouse]

3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most Americans want to KEEP Roe v. Wade?

[mscuedawg]

7. Not the religious RW that screamed "kill him" and "terrorist" at his rallies...

I'm effin' LIVID tonight!!!! :mad:

[Danger Mouse]

17. Fortunately, they are not America. McCain threw some red meat to them...

but the rest of us felt ill.

[AllentownJake]

10. You are right

Most Americans are Pro-Choice. Most American's are against partial birth unless the procedure is done to save the life of the mother.

[Danger Mouse]

18. That's what I thought. McCain took the wrong side. Very foolish.

[AllentownJake]

21. McCain took the choice that would guarentee

he didn't get less than 40% of the vote.

[grace0418]

63. Well, certainly the women in Ohio doing that CNN ticker. When McCan't answered

that question, the lines dropped like a rock.

[Coexist]

4. Apparantly my life is a joke to that asshole

fuck him.

[KathieG]

36. If his health care plan didn't clue people in first, this certainly should...he doesn't give a shit.

[AllentownJake]

5. Any PUMA dead enders

crossed lines there if they weren't GOPers to begin with

[five_horizons]

6. Yep. He's McDone.

[fishwax]

9. "health of the mother" is part of the radical abortion agenda

Fuck. You. John.

[LiberalFighter]

11. These so called pro-lifers must think that

Rape is a choice
Incest is a choice
A mother dying is a choice

[Ilsa]

13. ITA. There's about 5% of the public that agrees with this radical stance

and they were going to vote for palin anyway. The idiocy of his answer will make more independent men and women wonder "Why the hell should I listen to these kooks for five minutes?" Ridiculing the life and health exceptions was over the top.

And McCain started it off by lying about Obama's vote on this and the newborn resuscitation portions of proposed and existing laws. McCain like to lie. He's a liar.

[Faygo Kid]

20. His stance was dismissive. He wants women to die with pregnancy complications. And smiled about it

If you are a woman who intends to get pregnant in the next four years, McCain wants not only to take away your right to choose for the reasons you believe are valid, he wants to take away your right to end your pregnancy EVEN IF YOU ARE GOING TO OTHERWISE DIE.

And he was flippant about it. Go for it, PUMAs.

[Ilsa]

70. And when you think about it in a broader sense, it is easy to

remember that McDone has nothing positive to say about women's issues. He told women making below par wages that they needed to get more education, completely ignoring discrimination.

[Robbins]

14. Abortion

60 percent of americans are prochoice.Partial Birth abortions are virtualy only done to save women's
lives.Obama comes off as the reasonable one.Talking about reducing abortions through education and
other means.He looks good.

[justiceischeap]

16. Plus there are a lot of women who feel abortion isn't really a male issue

And don't take kindly to Grandpa McGrumpy telling them their health isn't important.

That's not gonna fare well.

[Lucy Goosey]

23. I'm one of those. That was a real "scream at the TV" moment for me.

It really makes me want to cry, though.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

27. Many thinking men believe the same thing.

The decision belongs with the person who will bear the child and anyone she chooses to consult. Everyone else should STFU and butt out.

[fifthoffive]

28. My husband doesn't think abortion is a male issue.

He can't believe any man can know what a woman should do with her own body.

Until tonight I had no idea he felt so strongly about this. McCain had him absolutely livid.

[Faygo Kid]

30. Hell, I don't want anybody controlling my body, either. Hands off my prostate!

Seriously, I of course totally agree. McCain was chilling tonight on this. Absolutely chilling.

[grace0418]

65. Obama actually made some comment close to that, about it being a decision between

the woman, her family, her doctor and her religious advisor.

[DeepBlueDem]

19. the Majority of undecided voters are Pro-Choice

[dana_b]

22. seriously -

he just announced his disregard for the lives of all of us (women).

[Faygo Kid]

25. And did it as dismissively as I have ever seen. Extraordinary.

He thought the woman's health was a joke and an excuse. I think it was downright ugly. Surprisingly, Chris Matthews was the only one to nail it.

[cjsmom44]

24. Pissed Off

Man did McCain piss me off...How f***in dare he, mock womens health....He said something along the line of..."they always frame it in the term "health" of the woman" My God this is my health, my daughters health and her daughters health....what an idiot...ignorance in its raw form...:grr:

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

26. Tweety was aghast. He couldn't believe McCluck was so cavalier

and off-hand in his answer. Commented that it would cost him BIG among undecided women. Rachel agreed. Mega stupids to Grampy on this one. Major cranio-rectal impaction for McCluck.

[blossomstar]

29. McCain is Toast for that one.

Now, hopefully he will slip into nothingness and take his "friend" Lieberman with him.

[AwakeAtLast]

31. He needs to be slapped.

I do not condone violence in many situations - this is one where I will stand in line to do the honors!

[Viking12]

32. They way Obama turned the question into an appeal to women's economic rights was brilliant

[writes3000]

35. Ding-ding-ding! Brilliant. nt

[Erin Elizabeth]

33. Did you see the CNN graph? It went due south when he was

saying all that. I mean straight south. And stayed there until it was Obama's turn.

[ecstatic]

34. Yep. He managed to piss off both sides nt

[Wednesdays]

37. Yeah, to paraphrase McSame, "We should all be supportive of

the woman's choice...(as long as she chooses not to have an abortion)." :eyes:

[Withywindle]

38. Fucking AIR QUOTES

with his flappy nasty half-useless arms...

Oh, he's a war veteran? Oh SORRY. If he thinks MY life and health are a fucking ironic joke, than I think his are too. That was the point where I started actively rooting for him to have a stroke on live TV.

[Faygo Kid]

39. Keith taking this up now.

I swear, this is it for McCain.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

41. You Gals. Always fussin' and frettin' about your health...

I about plotzed when he said that. Pro-choice Republicans and any other non self-loathing women won't touch that wrinkled old bastard with a ten foot pole.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

45. He lost the women's vote a while back.

Last week Obama was 17% ahead among women voters.

More women vote than men, and there are more women in the population because they live longer.


Dismissive bastard.

[myrna minx]

42. That was shocking.

:nuke: Nice sarcastic air quotes.

[ErinBerin84]

43. the way he said "HEALTH" with such disdain....

This guy is one of the most tone deaf people I've ever seen....

[davsand]

44. Yeah, I think McLame screwed himself with that abortion discussion tonight.

It isn't any shock that he's anti-choice. I think just about anyone who is awake and paying any attention on that issue has known for a long time that McLame does NOT support a woman's right to choose. He and Caribou Barbie think they have the right to determine the occupancy rate of any woman's uterus and they have made it abundantly clear.

What I think screwed McLame most was the fact that he refuses to admit that there ARE times when a pregnancy might need to be terminated. He staked out a position that is not only contrary to popular public opinion, but he did it in a way that was high handed and actively offensive.

We were watching the CNN coverage with the voter feedback going on in the bottom of the screen. Obama hit it out of the park when he talked about the need to work to make unchosen pregnancy less common. THAT makes sense to people and it is the ONE common ground that people are comfortable talking about. Men AND women supported those statements.


Laura

[Jim Lane]

55. I agree -- the debate will help dispel the misconception that he's pro-choice

I think just about anyone who is awake and paying any attention on that issue has known for a long time that McLame does NOT support a woman's right to choose.

Not necessarily. According to from February, "Many Republican voters, however, seem to believe, incorrectly, that the current Republican front-runner, Arizona Sen. John McCain, supports abortion rights, too." I also recall reading (though I couldn't find a citation quickly) that, in the strongly pro-choice swing state of New Hampshire, something like 40% of the voters are mistaken about McCain's stance on reproductive rights.

We can hope that this debate will bring the point home to millions of voters who aren't politics junkies and who had the vague impression that the "maverick" had defied his party on this issue.

[steve2470]

46. I agree nt

[Triana]

47. Same here. I was SCREAMING at the computer screen! That, and when McShit kept saying...

..about Palin: "She's a role model for women"

EXCUSE ME? I can speak for MYSELF thankyouverylittle and fuckyouverymuch, you goddamned lech - and that DISGUSTING excuse for a woman is NO "role model" for anything that I'd even call HUMAN much less a "woman".

:mad:

(ok, now I'm screaming on DU via the CAPS keys but still...)

[quiet.american]

48. He forgot he was talking to a larger audience than his Kool-Aid base. nt

[Duppers]

49. R

for Right On!

[Arugula Latte]

51. That INFURIATED me.

As a woman, to have this old man just rolling his eyes at the health concerns of women like me -- FUCK YOU, McCain! I hope your unit shrivels up and falls off.

[MaryBear]

53. Here's the scoop on poop!

At the point when McCain spoke of abortion,

my dog told me he needed to go outside to poop,

and I decided that both his message and his need

required my attention more than further debate watching.

McCain had told me all the poop I needed to know.

VOTE OBAMA!

[cemaphonic]

54. Yeah, that was truly repellant.

Bad enough that his actual position is so extreme and out of the mainstream, but to joke as if health and survival are some sort of lawyerly dodge was seriously creepy.

When he said that I wondered if he was actually *trying* to lose.

[meow mix]

56. first he said No litmus tests, then ended by becoming the champion of "rights of the unborn"

i agree this is where he lost. but also with his petty pursuit of ayers, he came off HORRIBLE during that.

[Johnny2X2X]

57. He was throwing the debate almost

He knows its a losing issue for him and he should have dodges it some and play politician. Instead he talks in, frankly, offensive language to the majority of Americans. He should have shut the Hell up. He was playing to his platforms own weaknesses.

He was horrible this debate and lost any hope at the Presidency tonight.

[aaronbees]

58. At heart he really is a sexist pig

That's what came through loud and clear in that comment, one of the nastiest of the campaign - and for this trainwreck that's saying something.

[SeattleGirl]

59. One of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in a debate.

Fuck you, McSame! YOU may not care about the health of a woman, but believe me, the majority of people in this country DO!

[Critters2]

60. Holding women's health in disdain is NOT the way to get women's votes.

Asshole!!

[Mad_Dem_X]

62. I'm glad I missed that part

I would have been screaming at the TV.

[Vinca]

64. Smirking over "life of the mother" - it was disgusting.

What a revolting, little man.

[TornadoTN]

66. Obama's response and outline to this was nothing short of masterful

It painted McCain as an out of touch and ridiculous partisan who can't tell which way the wind is blowing. At the same time, Obama's answer was elegant, well thought out, and principled that any American could relate to. It's just a shame that Schieffer cut him off, but I suppose with McCain's constant interrupting and antics on the stage he was running out of time.

[terrya]

67. Whatever chance he had with independents just evaporated after last night.

It is over. Period.

[high density]

68. It's the standard modern Republican platform

They care nothing about life once birth occurs. That apparently remains the same for any mothers who are carrying a fetus.

[bcoylepa]

69. Obama ws great on this issue

McCain was truly chilling - his condescension on exceptions for "women's health" was ugly

[Ishoutandscream2]

71. I was absolutely stunned. Even had to hold my wife back when he

said this. She was livid! And my wife is a very sweet, unassuming woman. When she gets pissed, watch out! I was in fear that my wife would attack our new HDTV set.

I am certain there were a lot of pissed off women in this country after they saw this incredibly anti-woman tirade from McCain.

[NightHawk63]

73. I thought the same thing as soon as I heard it.

I think that only the most strident anti-abortion types could still support him after that.

[EnviroBat]

74. The last reminants of fecal matter are being sucked down the toilet

this morning. This toilet has been flushed, and the shit is going away...