"Joe the Plumber" needs to be the poster boy for "Joe Six Pack" voting against his own interests.

[Matariki]

The Republicans have been duping poor schmucks like this for decades. Guys who fantasize that they're rich, that they will be rich some day in the near future. It's pathetic really - and Mr. Wurzelbacher is a perfect example of this sort of self delusion.

Micheal Moore explains this brilliantly in Dude, Where's My Country? in the chapter titled Horatio Alger Must Die.

[fasttense]

1. I have cards for Fred the Plumber.

I man the County Dem HQ office and when I arrived someone had stuck business cards in the door.

The cards had Fred's Plumbing on them and one had a note: I'm Not Joe the plumber but I'm Fred the Plumber for Obama.

I love it. I think I'll use him for that outside spigot I want to put on the back of the house

[gkhouston]

2. Biden's the man to bring this argument, IMHO. n/t

[Matariki]

3. I think he's presented a VERY good opportunity to point this out

The Republicans have been pulling this particular 'fast one' over their base for a long time.

"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."

George Bush wasn't talking about "Joe the Plumber" - that's for sure.

[avaistheone1]

4. The book "What's the Matter with Kansas?" also addresses why people vote against their own best

interests.

I do agree "Joe the plumber" is the poster boy for "Joe 6 pack". I regrettably admit, I know more than a few of these guys.

[Matariki]

6. I haven't read that yet.

I'll have to pick it up.

I think that conceit of being 'rich in the future' has been easy for the 'pubs to foster. 'Everyman' is always secretly Superman - secretly a 'very important person'.

[Left Is Write]

5. The burning question:

Does Joe drink that six-pack while he's on the job plumbing?

[ErinBerin84]

7. on The View today

Joy said that Joe's plan (and this was before all of the good stuff on him broke) to buy a business is a fantasy, and Elizabeth snapped "that's a dangerous thing to say, Joy." Uh, as opposed to calling people terrorists? Gotcha.

[Matariki]

8. "dangerous"?

Seriously strange idea of 'dangerous'.

[ErinBerin84]

9. she was trying to say it was "dangerous to the American dream" to say that

in other words, more right wing BS. She also randomly shouted out "Joe Biden said that Obama was not qualified to be president!", when they were discussing the debate. Clearly desperate.

[Matariki]

10. American 'Pie in the Sky' is more accurate