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WallStreetNobody Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:01 AM
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Here is why Joe the Dipshit is full of crap when...
...when he's all over the networks claiming people should figure things out for themselves, he clearly doesn't do that. He spews literally verbatim the wingnut talking points from guys like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Word for word. He can't explain why he personally is in favor of them, he can't explain how he would benefit from them because the fact is he won't. He rails against taxes but ignores the fact that he will pay more taxes under McCain than under Obama. He makes $40,000 per year and will likely never make over $250,000 per year yet he "thinks for himself" by ignoring his own reality and instead worrying about what is best for people who couldn't give two shits about him. He'll claim to be "pro-business" but wants to put up a wall around the country which business people are rabidly against (one of many fissures in the GOP), when asked what he wants for his son his first response was he doesn't want him to be responsible for a $10 TRILLION debt, 50% of which was created by Bush. The Bush tax cuts which I'm sure Joe is a big supporter of even though he barely benefits are largely responsible for that $10 TRILLION debt, the huge increases in spending on things like the Iraq War which Joe the Dipshit is a big supporter of are largely responsible for that debt. The deregulation of my own industry, which I'm sure Joe the Dipshit would be in favor of even though he doesn't understand any of it, has led to the financial crisis for which we just needed to add another TRILLION dollars to the debt (so we're actually at around $11 trillion now Joe). But Joe the Dipshit is really pissed off about the national debt, a debt that was largely caused by his own type of thinking, and what makes Joe the bigger dipshit is that like all the uninformed morons who listen to Limbaugh/Hannity, he saw almost no benefit from any of it.

Oh, Joe the Dipshit also railed against Social Security. He said it was his money and he should be able to keep it. Sounds good right. I wonder if Joe the Dipshit even has any retirement savings, I'll make any of you a bet that he has little to none. Joe the Dipshit makes $40k per year so pays about $2,400 per year into Social Security. He's 34 now and if he retires when he is 67 he will get about $4,700 per month as per the online SSA calculator. In order to do that on his own and lets say he expects to live for another 30 years at that point, he would have to put that full $2,400 into the market (managed by my fellow wall st. cronies who have just cratered your 401ks) and earn the long-term market average of about 10% per year. You see, Joe is in that income bracket just below the median American income which actually gets the greatest benefit from Social Security based on what they put it. But Joe the Dipshit doesn't want to pay into Social Security, he wants to keep the money and if you ignore reality for a second and assume Joe the Dipshit doesn't blow the $2,400 on things like beer and plasma TVs and instead does invest it in the market for his own retirement, his hopeful case is that it works out to be just about as good as Social Security for him. And if recent events should have taught Joe anything, the market tends to rape guys like Joe the Dipshit, or more specifically the people who actually influence the market tend to rape guys like Joe the Dipshit.

On the flip side you have a real "Joe the Plumber" and his name is Al, and unlike Joe the Dipshit he isn't lying about who he is and he actually does think for himself. He's voting his pocketbook, he's looking out for his own life not some hypothetical life that he will never have.

Video of Al the Plumber, a real independent thinking plumber: http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/31112804.html?video=pop&t=a&brand=mkevideo
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 05:03 AM
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1. How many plumbers do you know that make $250,000 yr??
ZERO. So his taxes will not change.
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WallStreetNobody Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 09:24 AM
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4. JI7 I remember reading the same thing and if you have the source...
can you please put the link up, about something like 20% of people thinking they were in the top 1% (or top 5%). I think it was in the New York Times a while back but could never find it again. That type of statistic tells you a lot. It was also interesting how in places like New York City people were much less likely to think they were in the top percentile even though they were more likely to actually be there, while in the midwest it was the opposite - people were more likely to think they were in the top percentile even though they were less likely to be. And they described it as being because someone from Anytown, USA goes around their town and may feel like they can afford most things in the stores, etc. while in NYC that isn't the case. When you're surrounded by actual rich people, you realize you aren't rich.

fed_up, remember that people who don't pay any income tax still pay the 10% into FICA as well as other taxes (sales, property, maybe local/state taxes). And according to the Tax Foundation over 95% of them make $40,000 or less (over 90% make less than $30k). You're right Joe the Dipshit may end up not having any income tax liability under Obama yet still feels Obama's taxes are hurting him. Friggin retarded. Here's the link to the Tax Foundation page on no-income tax people: http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/542.html
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 06:39 PM
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5. this article makes mention of it
. An October 2000 Time-CNN news poll showed that 19 percent of Americans thought that they were in the high income group that would benefit from proposed tax cuts - defined as roughly the top 1 percent of the distribution.

Joe the Dipshit is part of this group for sure.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=2000+cnn+poll+top+1+percent+income+taxes&btnG=Search
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 07:06 PM
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8. well, that's "only" $125/hr...
I think some plumbers charge that, but that's before deducting expenses, and presuming he earns it 40 hrs a week, 50 weeks a year.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 05:54 AM
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2. also, Joe the Dipshit probably thinks he is better than those who make
similar income to him. or that he is more with those who make 250k and even millions than he is to those who make 40k or less.

i once read about how a significant percentage of people thought they were in the top 1 percent when they were not even close to it.

these are the type that probably think they are doing better than others but they are held back from getting ahead because he has to pay government for welfare programs.

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fed_up Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 07:08 AM
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3. Joe just doesn't get it
Currently, more than 1/3 of Americans pay no income tax. If Obama gets in, that figure will increase to, hopefully, 50-60%. Joe will almost certainly be in that 50-60% for the rest of his life and would probably pay NO taxes if Obama is elected. Some people are too stupid to understand what's in their best interest.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 07:04 PM
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6. JOE IS A REPUBLICAN WAG THE DOG PLANT!
He's been put there to give a face and a name (however fictionalized) to right wing talking points.

He's the "Harry and Louise" of this campaign trying to convince people to vote against their best interests by looking something like a middle class voter but certainly NOT doing what is in a middle class voter's interest.

It's the "Wag the Dog" approach, create an interesting character and narrative and there are a lot of uncritical thinkers that will go along with it no matter what the consequences are to themselves or how irrational the story sounds.

Time for a reality check:

How many plumbers make $250,000/year? Very few - probably zero.

I know very few doctors and lawyers that make this kind of money. I'm a degreed engineer and computer programmer and I don't even come close to this kind of money.

The Republicans are trying to confuse voters into conflating a business' gross sales with a individual's personal income by attaching it to a person like "Joe" who is claiming to buy a business.

The truth is that when a business pays an employee a salary, that money comes out of their bottom line - it is an expense so it never is part of the business' income in the first place to be taxed. The government does NOT tax businesses on their gross sales - it taxes them on the INCOME which is the difference between the gross sales minus the expenses of the business - property lease, equipment, utility bills, salaries, office supplies are all EXPENSES that are deducted from the gross sales in order to arrive at taxable income.

Joe is clearly a Republican "Wag the Dog" Plant:

- He's so obviously been prepped for talking on TV with the Republican talking points

- He's NOT what he says he is - a plumber.

- His past coincindentally leads him to both Phoenix Arizona and Alaska.

- Type in Wurzelbacher into the FEC.gov website and EVERY single donation that pops out is to a Republican and there are tens of thousands of dollars donated.

- Type in Wurzelbacher into the Ohio Secretary of State Division of Elections website and EVERY single donation that pops out is to a Republican and there are tens of thousands of dollars donated.

- Robert Wurzelbacher, Jr. was the son-in-law of Charles Keating who was the mastermind of the banking fraud scheme that John McCain was reprimanded by the Senate for. Does anyone NOT think these two Wurzelbachers are related? Talk about your incredible coincidences... NOTE TO REPUBLICAN MASTERMINDS: At LEAST do us the favor of using someone named John Smith next time and don't insult our intelligence.

- Although it is not indicative of anything, I find it quite ironic that when he lived in Arizona, Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher lived at 1960 Keating Avenue in Mesa AZ according to zabasearch.com - the street is named after Charles Keating.

Do you want to be bamboozled by the Republican propaganda machine again? Or do you want good jobs, affordable health care, a college education for your kids and responsible competent people leading the government?

The choice is yours this November.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 07:07 PM
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9. With that tax lien Joe would be ineligable for a loan to buy any business
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 07:05 PM
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7. Joe the Skinhead !...Plunging turds for 10 bucks an hour....n/m
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