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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:40 PM
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Demorallized about election fraud? Here's what the Obama camp told me
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 12:42 PM by CitizenPatriot
I'll tell you what the Obama camp said to me when I asked about this months ago.

I posted this in response to an OP re election fraud and why are we even bothering if they are going to steal the election...A fellow Duer asked me to make this a new post (thanks for that!) so here it is:




We work harder. We register more voters. We GOTV. Because you know they're going to steal a certain number of votes. But they can't steal them all.

the tide is turning -- there are lawyers watching this stuff and whistle blowers and people saving their own ass from the illegal activities they've been involved with during their tenure as GOP kriminals.

yes, they suck. yes, they are kriminals.

We must win this election. Work you fucking asses off, people. WORK like you've never worked before.

This is kind of the last shot -- the entire govt has been derailed, no DoJ, everything is politicized.

Work for your kids, our kids, your grandchildren, yourselves, the world.

WORK. and like a good athlete, don't take you eye off the ball. Never look at the distractions. This is a distraction. It is true, but we can't do anything about it other than write LTTE, etc. so don't take you eyes off the ball. The Obama camp knows all about this and they are doing EVERYTHING they can to address it. Look at the victories we are having for justice this year! SCOTUS just told pukes to fuck off and stop trying to disenfranchise voters.

HOPE. WORK. and WORK some more.

If this is you, "the Dems never do anything about this!" Adjust your thinking; We are not helpless anymore. That was the last 2 elections. This is a different election. A huge way Fascists win is by demoralizing US and causing us to give up hope. Hope gets you out there fighting. Hopelessness keeps you home, depressed, and silently enraged. Do not let them win your mind and soul. You have control over that. The Dems ARE doing something about this. They've been largely cut off at the knees by the Fascists in power right now and STILL they fight for us and this party. Who do you think is challenging these ILLEGAL attempts to disenfranchise voters in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, etc? The DEMS and the Obama campaign. We are a team right now with one goal. Keep your eye on the ball!!!!

YES WE CAN!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:42 PM
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1. And if on Nov 5th they declare McCain the "winner" and blame it on a massive Bradley effect?
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 12:42 PM by SoonerPride
Then what?
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:45 PM
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2. then
everyone needs to decide for themselves what they think needs to be done about it.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:47 PM
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5. I know my answer
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:31 PM
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17. indeed
not this time.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:45 PM
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3. WE deal with that THEN.
that's what.

they know the possibilities of this.

We can't do anything about it right now.

They are doing things to make this very difficult for the GOPPERS.

If you want to win, you can't focus on defeat. We know those things are there, a reasonable person deals with them, but does not focus on them.

that's all.

What's so hard about keeping our eye on the ball and not letting them manipulate us? Are we such whimps that we can't tough out the fear? that we can't look past the future they want for us and create our own? demand it?

Fuck yes. If they steal this election, THEN we will all be there to demand justice.

Right now, demand GOTV.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:46 PM
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4. DNC underDean has FINALLY been working for Dem candidates and Dem voters in states
that had been ignored since before 2000.

Dem party infrastructure has been rebuilt and strengthened - and THAT is what will get more of our votes allowed, cast and counted - no more lazy and complicit DNC chairs for THIS Dem party.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:48 PM
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6. Rec'd~ I love this post..very encouraging..
thank you Citizen:patriot:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:49 PM
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7. I believed you until...
"Work you fucking asses off, people."

At that point it was clearly something that was not written inside the "camp."

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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:55 PM
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9. reread my post. I never said they wrote this. nt
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:02 PM
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10. Well, sorry about that.
I was thrown off by the "I'll tell you what the Obama camp said to me when I asked about this months ago."

At any rate, we do need to continue working with people we might influence: co-workers, friends, and family.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:53 PM
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8. Um, I never said this was written by the Obama camp
I said here is what they told me. I wrote about this on another post. Reread the intro before you look for a reason to doubt it.

WTF?

Frankly, if you don't believe that Obama knows this stuff and is dealing with it and wants his volunteers and supporters to focus on what they CAN do, then I don't know what to say.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:00 PM
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11. K & R
:kick: :patriot:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:05 PM
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12. Wow, what a fine statement! It gives me hope all over again, in this roller-coaster ride
of being a citizen, lifelong voter, lifelong Democrat and believer in democracy and the progress of the human race, in the midst of this Corpo/fascist coup d'etat in the U.S. of A. It's rough--not as rough as it has been on the millions of victims of this coup, who are dead, or the thousands who have been tortured, or the millions who have been displaced or impoverished. But rough nevertheless, to be living through a period of such horrendous injustice perpetrated by my own government, or somebody's government, not really mine in any sense. Just the name: America.

You go up. You do down. You think, ah, democracy is still working here (2004). Then, boom, it ain't. Or back when millions marched against this horrendously unjust war, and nearly SIXTY PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OPPOSED IT (Feb 03, all polls). Surely our leaders will have to listen. Nope, they are deaf. Then '06, and Americans rally again and vote in the Democrats to end the war. 70% opposed to it now. And the Democratic Congress does the opposite--and ends up with a 10% approval rating, worse than Bush's. And you start thinking really dark thoughts, like this spying thing is no joke. They are spying on all the Democrats and blackmailing them. Or may they're all so fucking corrupt, both D and R, it's hopeless. Then the one guy left standing in the presidential race, who opposed the war, actually gets the nomination. Wow! Something's working right.

Up and down, up and down, on the roller-coaster of hope and despair. This statement from the Obama camp is heartening, in that it is REAL. It's where we all are. It may just be a supporter and campaign worker who is projecting onto Obama the hopes and dreams of restoring our democracy that he or she feels. I think there are many of those, who may end up being disappointed in their candidate, since nobody--and I mean nobody--who intends real reform of this government will be permitted into the White House. But still. It takes more than a leader to make a revolution. It takes an activated citizenry. In fact, that is the first requirement--an aroused, active, passionate citizenry, determined to take their country back. And, for all Obama's policy compromises, he does do that--he activates people!

And those people know what's what. That comes through loud and clear.

"This is kind of the last shot -- the entire govt has been derailed, no DoJ, everything is politicized."

I don't agree that this is "the last shot." I think that, as long as the "window of opportunity" remains open, at the state/local level, to toss these Diebold & brethren election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor,' we still have a shot at restoring democracy. They are the main culprit. They give the Corpo/fascists direct control of election results--and with guaranteed power, their operatives have felt confident in pulling all this other shit--voter purges, vote suppression, the financial 9/11. But I do agree that "the entire govt has been derailed." And I think even worse--the "government" is our "enemy." The government is actively working to impoverish, demoralize and disenfranchise its citizens. I agree with the tone and seriousness of the peril we are in, in these statements from the Obama camp.

And I am very glad to hear it from them. And I thank you for this post. I hadn't seen it before.

I also agree that this is a different Democratic Party, run by Dean and Obama. We are now a party, and a political force, that doesn't give up. No matter what happens. We WILL get our country back--no matter what kind of crap the Corpo/fascists may still pull. Because the People want it back. If Obama had done nothing but this--activated the people in this country whose eyes are open, and who know what's what--he would be a great leader, whether he wins or gets Diebolded. I don't think he will get Diebolded. I think the Corpo/fascists have decided to pull back a bit. They may shave his mandate significantly, and give him a difficult Congress--and they clearly meant to tie his hands, with this induced financial meltdown. We still have quite a struggle ahead of us, even with an Obama win on Nov. 4, believe me. But the tide has turned as to the people of this country. And that is the most important thing that has happened. The toughness, smarts and determination of the People--now so clearly on the rise--will be the decisive factor. WE will lead our leaders back to accountability. WE will restore democracy in this land, no matter how long or difficult the road may be. I sensed this with the Election Fraud/Election Reform movement that arose just after the 2004 election--right here at DU, as a matter of fact. It was an amazing thing to see and to be part of. The spirit of Obama's supporters has reconfirmed my faith in the American people, and this statement of our situation, from the Obama camp, says it all. They have no illusions. And they will never give up.

One other thing: The Corpo/fascist TV and other 'news' is DESIGNED to demoralize us. Boy, do I agree with that! Keep that in mind--always! Give in to the depression and demoralization that they INTEND TO inflict on you, and they win. Don't give in to it, and they don't win. Yeah, they and their Diebold cohorts can steal an election, but they cannot demoralize you, if you don't let them. Step one in NOT getting demoralized is to know what you are up against--fully realizing it, and making it conscious. We are up against a coup d'tat, and their whole thing is to convince you that democracy is working normally, and you've simply lost an election. And, once you understand that they are LYING, then you gain the emotional stamina with which to defeat them.

Once again, thanks for this post! It is very inspiring.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:16 PM
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13. Glad to see you made this an OP. We need a LANDSLIDE, and even if we don't., it couldn't hurt.
And what a message! What a repudiation! IN YOUR FACE anti-American PNACIS!

Tell your friends.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:22 PM
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14. Peace Patriot and others who K and R'ed
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 02:47 PM by CitizenPatriot
thank you!

Just to be clear, this is what an Obama staffer said to me when I went in to volunteer months ago; hopeful but scared as I was -- not an official Obama press release or anything of the sort. The people working for him are amazing and positive and they keep things close to vest. He listened to my fears and rants and then told me calmly but with great conviction that I do not need to worry about that stuff. They are aware of it. My job is to do x, y and z.

I recognized the brilliance in this message only recently. He gave me a goal, gave me things I had control over, and let me know that I didn't have to fix the broken system. There are others working on that, people who have the law degrees and the knowledge to fight it effectively. Yes, as Peace Patriot wrote so eloquently, we need to be AWARE. that is the first step. But don't let awareness demoralize us.

I paraphrased what the Obama staffer said to me; The positive parts are from him, the swear words are mine:-) Basically his message was control what you can control, don't be taken off course, stay positive and hopeful, and yes we can.

AS usual, they are the absolute height of class and diplomacy and positivity. Never a negative thing said about McCain, Palin, etc.

True leadership inspires people; and he inspired me, as he was inspired by Obama.

Obama, a great leader, who CALLED our team to congratulate us once! He rocks:-)

edited to add: the reference to "kriminals" and "fascists" are mine -- I never heard a staffer there say one negative thing about the current regime or the Republicans they are running against. Yeah, they are something else. That's leadership we can all admire and it gives us something to aspire to.

Eye on the ball....(that is mine, too)
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:23 PM
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15. k and r nt
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:25 PM
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16. Now that is spirit for you. Hell yeah!!!
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:59 PM
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18. K&R
There's not much time left, don't sit on the sidelines- BE A PART OF HISTORY!
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