Zobgy & Rasmussen Have Bush up by 2 Points

[stewert]

Yet the media is only reporting the Time and Newsweek polls. The 2 polls out by Newsweek and Time both have Bush with a 11 point lead over Kerry. These are the only 2 polls the media is reporting, Russert did it on Meet The Press, and Matthews did it on his sunday show.

Yet 2 other polls only have Bush with a 2 point lead, but none of the media is saying a word about those 2 polls. It's called selective poll reporting, they reported the only 2 polls that show a huge Bush bounce. While they ignored all the other polls that barely show a bounce.

They did not mention the Rasmussen poll that has Bush 2 points ahead of Kerry, or the Zogby poll that also has Bush 2 points ahead. Carville was on Meet The Press this morning, why in the hell did he not mention the zogby and rasmussen polls that only have Bush 2 points ahead.

Sunday September 05, 2004--The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 48% of the vote and Senator John Kerry with 46%. The Tracking Poll is updated daily by noon Eastern. Two-thirds of the interview for today's report were completed after the President's speech on Thursday night.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

If Bush got a bounce from the RNC convention it did not last very long, and it was clearly not an 11 point bounce.

And Rasmussen is a Republican, but all the media is quoting the Time and Newsweek polls. Here we have a Republican pollster saying Bush only has a 2 point lead 3 days after the RNC convention yet you don't hear a word about it in the media.

All we hear about are the Time and Newsweek polls, even though Zogby and Rasmussen both have Bush 2 points ahead.

And here is the Zogby poll:

Released: September 02, 2004

Bush Runs Offense and Leads Kerry by 2 Points; President Rallies Troops and Stumps on Leadership, Strength and Decisiveness; New Zogby America Poll Reveals

President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney have taken a two point lead over Massachusetts Senator John Kerry and North Carolina Senator John Edwards (46%-44%), according to a new Zogby America poll. The telephone poll of 1001 likely voters was conducted from Monday through Thursday (August 30-September 2, 2004) during the Republican National Convention in New York City.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=857

[Clinton Crusader]

1. Wolfie is having a cozy conversation with Rudy

right now about the polls. :puke:
:kick:

[goclark]

6. What did Wolfman have to say?

[GalleryGod]

8. "Rassy" & "Zogs" ARE the MOST Reliable; The Rest is Corp Elite Bullshit!

These polls I always fall back on as my "WORST CASE Scenario"...like 'em or not they're damn accurate.

Not to Worry..like the Swiftboat Boys...Tweety, Wolfie, and Scarface
will push and flog the Big Mags polls

Cocksuckers, All! :puke: :argh: :wtf:

[JI7]

2. i believe zogby, but not rasmussen

i'm not saying rasmussen lies or is wrong, but his polling methods are questionable.

but zogby is more reliable.

[louis c]

13. That's really something

let me get this straight, Rasmussen has Bush by 2 points, and Zogby has Bush by 2 points, but you believe one but not the other.

Pardon me, but I guess no one can argue with that logic.

I tend to read them both, in fact I subscribe to both, and then blend them, allowing for each their stated bias.

You see, when someone tells you where they lean, then they must try even harder to be fair.

Fox news, for example, pretends to be "fair and balanced" but is neither.

[goclark]

3. Bingo! This message must get out

Sounds like it Blitz Fox, MSNBC time again.

Where are the protesters in New York, have them get their signs again.

This is great news and what we know to be true.

[newscaster]

4. Polls are supposed to reflect the makeup of the population.

In the poll that has Bush ahead of Kerry by 11 points,, 48 percent of the people polled were in the military. Our population is not 48 percent military and therefore, that poll is worthless because it was contrived. If Zogby and Rasmussen say he's up by one, I can buy that because its the post convention jump. But 11 percent.....no freaking way.

[argonne]

5. I'll say!

I was so depressed since Time and Newsweek. This is great news!

[louis c]

14. Please check out my Thread

IS There a Conspiracy in the Latest Polls?


Link:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x750751#750751

[DemMother]

7. Makes much more sense to me

[sampsonblk]

9. Good analysis by Zogby too-nt

nt

[Kimber Scott]

10. So are these polls a ruse to make a Bush win plausible, or are they

just hoping people will vote for who everbody else is supposedly voting for. I mean, it would be outrageous and ruinous to the polling industry, if they keep coming out with these "Bush way ahead" scenarios, only to have him slammed on election day. But, if Bush IS going to win and it's a forgone conclusion, then they'd have to make us believe he really had a chance, right?

How many more days until the election? I can't stand it.

[louis c]

15. I have to think the election is honest

because if it isn't, why are we even getting worked up over it.

I know there was some cheating in Florida, and I know that the other side tries to suppress the vote, and if we get into a recount, at any level, people try to get the edge.

However, outright, total manipulation to the point that the outcome is already predetermined, I can't but that.

I do believe, though, that someone can get to someone in an attempt to pass misinformation through the media.

I have a suspicion that these two "news" organizations shared faulty data, and are trying to create a false "bandwagon" affect.

That's my take on it

(on edit)

check out the link provided in my reply 14

[Hippo_Tron]

11. I knew the night of *'s speech that the media would prop him up as a god

Kerry needs to fight back and he needs to OWN him in the debates to the point that if they declare * the winner, they will loose all credibility.

[nolabels]

12. If I tell you it enough times will you believe me?

Just like any other animal that tramples around in herds we are being stocked (I say we should go hunting also). Others instinctively do follow the leader thing because it's safe. The herd dog looks for this to move the heard, and this is what these hunters of people are looking for and doing now.

The other model they are also using is to stop movement by cutting off the point, this scatters the herd. Groups of other predators do this type of action while others in their group wait at flanks to attack in the mayhem. We need to turn turn the tables, to seek rather than be fodder for the galley.

I only believe people with good track records (not). A lot swindlers like to profess that point and is why I always like to be a skeptic no matter what

All polls are not created equal

By MARLON MANUEL
Cox News Service
Thursday, September 02, 2004

ATLANTA — The big names of the campaign aren't limited to Bush-Cheney or Kerry-Edwards.

Add Gallup. Zogby. Harris. Roper.

They're among the pollsters trying to answer the question everyone asked, even before President Bush wrapped up the Republican National Convention Thursday: Who's in front?

But like any savvy consumer, voters hungry to know the political score should scrutinize the polls before buying into the findings.

Some surveys are more scientific than others. Some take account of those likely to vote, some quiz anyone who's registered to vote. And some results carry the weight of news when the numbers really are insignificant jumps within the margin of error.

Above all, polls are snapshots, not crystal balls.

"You're looking at numbers in a given point in time," said Lee Miringoff, president of the National Council on Public Polls. "No way is this a prediction of what's going to happen 60 days from now. Right now, the race is very close. But that doesn't mean it will be."
(snip)
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/stories/09/03_gop_polls.html

[DeepModem Mom]

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