Not A Real Black Eye

[berni_mccoy]

Anyone who has had a black eye or seen someone with a real black eye knows that there are two things besides the bruise:

1. The white of the eye becomes red
2. Swelling

The LAST thing that happens is the black bruise, which comes much later than the swelling and the redness.

I'm not saying she didn't get attacked, but I'm definitely saying that isn't a real black eye.

[SunsetDreams]

1. I'm an RN and have seen plenty black eyes and I agree

[nannycee]

5. You should share your expertise with K & R. :) n/t

[SunsetDreams]

36. First of all

There is no swelling on the upper lid, underneath the eye, or surrounding the eye, side of nose or bridge of nose. The blackness underneath and on the eye lid looks too perfect. It would be more blotchy. With that type of a "dark bruise" to the eye, there would most definitely be swelling, to the point of the eye looking as if it was shutting. There is no difference outside of normalness between the right eye and the left eye.

Moving on to the B, no instrument is going to make that perfect of a cut, especially in a struggle. Look at the curves to the B, let alone the B being backwards. I find this totally suspect.

When did this occur allegedly?

On edit: Upon seeing a post that it happened around 9 pm last night, there is absolutely no way the eye would be this dark by now anyway, and absolutely no way with that kind of force to make that dark of an eye, that the white of the eye would not be blood shot.
This is IMO a complete hoax.

[grantcart]

46. but it was captured by the ATM camera -- oh sorry not that either

but she did require medical treatment

oops not that at all.

But she was wearing a McCain shirt, campaign button and McCain hat

sorry he noticed her bumper sticker

[yardwork]

58. I'm only a mom, but I thought the same thing the minute I saw the bruises.

No way did this happen last night at 9 pm. So that right there means that her story is wrong.

[JohnWxy]

69. actually, that is not a cut but an abrasion. THe skin isn't broken.

[Terran]

109. In fact it looks like pink marking pen...

Just saying. Surely the cops checked it...?

[imax2268]

121. is it me or...

does it look like there are two black marks right to the side of the "B"...close to the hairline...looks like to me she had some left on her fingers and it smudged when she made the backwards "B"...

[Lex]

32. This supposedly happened at 9pm last night & no redness or swelling

of the eye(s). Not believable.

[rvablue]

42. Please give your professional opinion on this:

If the B were carved with a knife wouldn't there be some type of scab on it, even if it was done a few days ago.

It seems like if the tip of a knife were used to etch something on skin, that it would actually break the skin.

This looks more like a scratch.

In your time as a nurse, you must have seen many of both -- what do you think?

[SunsetDreams]

85. There is no way this was done with a knife

If I had to make an educated guess, without having seen her in person of course, I would say it was carved with a fingernail.
The picture shows no broken skin, and frankly, in order for a "carving" to have happened, there would most certainly be broken skin.
I can't get past the perfectness of the B either.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Has she painted herself up like a trollop?

:shrug:

[Schema Thing]

8. how cunning

[BunkerHill24]

60. ROLF....

:rofl:

[msallied]

3. And WHY is the B backward?

[slampoet]

and why is it followed by an "s" or "z" ?

[Jed Dilligan]

28. Because she did it in a mirror. And, is stupid.

[Dead_Parrot]

105. Ding ding ding! nt.

[mitchum]

88. Tawwwwd is dyslexic?

[4_Legs_Good]

4. That's exactly what I was thinking

And I wish people would stop using the word "carved" for the silly B. That's a scratch at best. A week ago my 3 year old accidentally cut my forehead with his none-too-sharp fingernail, and it still looks worse than that.

Not that I'm condoning violence of any kind, but that looks fake delux0rez. Sad that they'd sink this low, and even sadder that some media outlets, no matter how silly, are covering it!

David

[tekisui]

6. It does look like a cartoon black eye.

And, you are right. Where is the swelling?

[rebel with a cause]

103. My son had several black eyes when he was a kid and

they were simalar to this except not so perfectly centered under the eye. I do not remember much swelling nor much redness in the white of the eye although I suppose there may have been some. One he got when hit with a thrown baseball at practice, and one he got when he rode his bake into the house (don't ask how he did this, I can't explain it). I was just thankful that I had witnesses to both incidents. ;)

Anyway what I am getting at is maybe it depends on how you get hit. If the blow is below the eye, say closer to the cheek, maybe the bruise could be like this after a day or two. But this does not look like a blow from a fist and the B is backwards, suggesting that it was done in a mirror.

Off the subject but just want to add that when my son had the black eyes, all the guys that saw him just loved them. Thought that made him a man's boy. You know tough. Women would always show him sympathy.

[tekisui]

7. dupe

[cliffordu]

I think she's a cutter, which explains the 'carving". I've worked with

a couple dozen cutters in A/D treatment

Odd to have it where you can see it, but maybe she REALLY needs attention...

[crankychatter]

49. yeah she could be a borderline... but there IS NO laceration... that's mild abrasion

it's irritated, not cut

[SurfingAtWork]

63. It looks like a vigorous eraser burn.

[DevonRex]

113. I'd say a borderline, too. There are just way too many things

a borderline can get from this type of behavior for it not to be a strong consideration.

If she's borderline:

She now "belongs" to a group (McCain supporters) and thus has a sort of identity.
She has people feeling sorry for her.
She got to injure herself in a visible place for once.

Another thing, even though she has lots of folks feeling sorry for her, she probably has someone close to her that she's desperately trying to keep, too.

[Avalux]

9. THIS is a real black eye.

From a medical standpoint - recent trauma to the eye would exhibit swelling, redness and the pooling of blood under the eye would be purple. The girl's 'black eye' is nothing more than some make-up.

[Joanne98]

18. Thanks

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

31. LOL "from a medical standpoint..." You should stop playing doctor on the internet.

The most common cause of black eyes is blows to the NOSE with no "recent trauma to the eye" involved.

[Avalux]

33. Shh!!

I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night. ;-) You're wrong though and I wasn't clear enough. Should have said "area".

[progressivebydesign]

97. but her nose and mouth are unscathed.. n/t

[otohara]

106. Reallity

trumps stunts always

[sickinohio]

10. It looks like a healing, old

black eye to me. Not from last night!!

[cliffordu]

15. An old, healing black eye would be tinged in purple and yellow.

[eShirl]

19. exactly. n/t

[renie408]

20. But your sclera will stay red for a pretty long time. n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

35. Nope, wrong color.

Blood that is being absorbed by the body goes through several color changes according to how far along in the healing process the injury is. Black/purple is fresh, if it were an older injury, it would be tinged with green and/or yellow.

But, even if it were from last night, she would nto have gotten such a shiner without us seeing swelling and redness.

[sickinohio]

53. Oh - ok. I see what you are saying. n/t

[mwb970]

125. It looks like mascara to me. /nt

[endarkenment]

11. The lack of red is telling.

Good point. Plus I don't quite understand what it was the 6'4" dressed in black dyslexic african american mugger used to carve her face with. That ain't a knife wound. In fact 'carve' is obviously not a correct description. That is a scratch on her face. Made with what? Where is the medical report?

[cliffordu]

17. rofl. "Be on the lookout for a dyslexic mugger....."

[msallied]

21. That would make him a "reggum"

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

26. LOL. Yep...

:rofl:

[daninthemoon]

34. she also would have had to be very still

[endarkenment]

41. No shit.

"Hold still while I scratch you with this nail file!"

And backwards too. Ooops. Where is the police report? Where is the medical report?

[msallied]

52. And there would have been surrounding trauma from the struggle.

Her face would have been scratched up and the "B" wouldn't have been nearly as neat. She had to have been either knocked unconscious or drugged. And in spite of what Hollywood would lead people to believe, it's not terribly easy to knock somebody unconscious.

[cliffordu]

86. Not without completely fucking them up....Mass lumps on the head or a broken

jaw.....

Crushed nose.

[cliffordu]

43. Bingo. that's exactly right.

A brand on her face would have been more convincing....

[yardwork]

66. There is no medical report because she "refused medical treatment."

After allegedly being robbed, punched, kicked, and carved with a knife, she refused medical treatment.

[endarkenment]

77. Which was what originally provoked a "BULLSHIT" from me.

Before the Ass Backwards You Dumbfuck 'B' showed up on the internets.

These clowns can't get anything right.

[Doremus]

12. Mascara. No doubt in my mind. n/t

[Sodan]

13. She refused medical treatment - non-story. EOM

[kestrel91316]

82. Exactly. A physician would have immediately called BS on the whole thing.

[renie408]

14. You know what, I didn't think about that red eye thing..

but I have had a couple of black eyes from getting busted in the face by horses and the white's of my eyes would always turn really bright red.

Good catch.

[here_is_to_hope]

95. Ha! I have been knocked out by a horse!

I was grooming her and she pulled her head up out of the oats bucket and blammo!
I woke up an hour later with a broken nose and two very swollen eyes.

[Joanne98]

16. If that was a real black eye it's at least a week old.

[Mz Pip]

22. When did this

alledged attack happen? It takes a while for bruises to pop out.

[renie408]

25. Yesterday, I believe is what I read n/t

[Connie_Corleone]

27. Supposedly, last night around 9pm

[Mz Pip]

47. Seems like there should

be quite a bit of swelling for so much bruising. I don't see any evidence of swelling. He eye looks just like the other one.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

23. Make-up artist here -- agreed.

I wrote this on another thread:

"As I make-up artist, I had to study what an assortment of facial injuries looked like, at various times after the victim received those injuries. I have seen some pretty black looking "black eyes", but not without some sort of swelling and/or redness in the white of the eye involved. There is ZERO swelling in her eye or cheek area -- ZERO Heck, even after rhinoplasty it is common for a patient to get truly black eyes, but there is still swelling."

What she has looks like "black eye 101" from a high school production.

[anneboleyn]

44. She has clearly smeared mascara under her eye -- you can see the smear. Bruises do not look like

this at all. I can see the distinction in color between her cheek and the smudged mascara.

[kestrel91316]

83. It's not mascara, lol, it's charcoal-colored eye shadow.

[Lorien]

76. Agreed. Plus, she used straight black powder shadow

she would need to mix burgundies and blue shades into it to make it convincing.

[Connie_Corleone]

24. A mugger who tried to delicately scratch a backwards B on her face too.

An enraged mugger would've carved her face up trying to put a B on her face.

[Parker CA]

29. Maybe some of those $8,000+/month make-up artists the pukes have employed did their

handy work on this woman's face. Nothing about this story adds up. If this is proven to be a hoax, this could be a serious, serious problem for the idiots behind this.

[Jed Dilligan]

37. She should go to prison. Making every black male in the vicinity

an armed robbery suspect is a very serious matter, as is tying up police resources. I think she is mentally disturbed and capable of even worse manipulations.

[daninthemoon]

68. i wonder if any "usual suspect" types got pulled over and hassled.

she could have gotten someone killed!

[Jed Dilligan]

75. I hope the cops saw through her, but even if they did,

they might have used it as an excuse to kick some ass anyway. At any rate, it's a very serious matter--did anyone here see "Freedomland"?

[yardwork]

71. Very interesting point. They have some high-priced makeup artists on their team.

[Tatiana]

30. I got in a fight when I was a kid. My eye was red and the area around it swollen.

It didn't start turning black until the next day. And actually it was purplish first, then black.

[Divine Discontent]

38. shame on her - the backwards B (if not reversed photo) is old looking and the eye is awful WHITE for

getting a black eye.

someone needed a little attention (not saying she wasn't robbed, just that this OTHER stuff looks made up)

[Boz]

39. I dont know the details behind this picture or what this has to do with DU but as a makeup artist

that simulates bruising and body damage all the time, that is not a "Black Eye" but it is also not makeup.

Let me explain, you are correct that a "black eye" would have Subconjunctival Hemorrhage or blood vessel damage.

This does not, but it does show Subdermal Hemorrhage or blood vessels broken under the skin in both eyes.

The simple answer is its not a "black eye" per se but she got bopped in the nose and the bleeding is from the back of the soft cartilage hitting the bone of her nose. So she has what is more commonly referred to as boxers eye which is a result of a broken or traumatized nose.

Now whats the context, who is she and what does it have to do with DU:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

90. She was allegedly robbed last night....

and beaten because she had a McCain sticker on her car. I understand what you are saying about "boxers eyes", but I think where she is at in her alleged injury is off the timeline with how the body would be responding. Also, I am not comfortable with the massive discrepency between the left and right eyes bruising, if it were just a nose bob. I wonder if we are seeing a bit of "enhancing" going on.

[progressivebydesign]

101. but her nose is unscathed.. n/t

[slackmaster]

40. My eyes never turned red when I fell and cracked my nose in 2005

I fainted from a coughing fit, fell forward, and smacked my face on a terrazo tile floor (that's HARD).

Within a few hours I looked like a raccoon, but my eyes were no redder than they normally are.

The injuries in the photo certainly could be fake, I really don't know; but I do not agree that a "shiner" is always associated with red eyes.

[msallied]

45. Then where is the trauma to her nose?

[slackmaster]

51. Good question - I don't see any

I am going to wait for a real medical report before deciding whether or not the injuries are real.

[msallied]

55. She apparently refused medical treatment.

Unless she was raped, I don't see why this would be the case. If some fucker punched me in the face and scratched a letter into it, I'd be stark raving mad. LOL

[slackmaster]

74. And there is also a story that says she was treated at a hospital and released

Like most developing news stories, this one is in flux.

If some fucker punched me in the face and scratched a letter into it, I'd be stark raving mad.

A person who did that to me would be lucky to walk away alive.

[renie408]

57. Also, typically when you bust your nose, the bruising starts at the inner corners

of both eyes and move out and there will be swelling of the bridge of your nose.

Had a couple of those, too.

[TorchTheWitch]

126. LOL! OMG! I did that too!

I had been sick for a week and hadn't been able to eat hardly anything. I was sitting slumped over on the potty, fainted, and dove face first into the bathroom tile floor. When I came to (I have no idea how long I was out), I looked in the mirror and AAAAAAGH! Raccoon eyes! I don't remember swelling so much but I must have bonked my nose pretty good because it ached for days. It was kind of interesting that as it healed and faded, the coloration drifted further down my face a bit until it went away. At first it was right under my eyes and a week or so later it had drifted down toward my cheekbones. I had some very attractive purple and blue colors at first in it, too. By the time it finally went away, I think I had covered all the colors of the rainbow.

[mrbarber]

48. Former makeup artist here.....

I haven't touched a brush in over 10 years, but even I could do a better fake black eye than that.

[progressivemom]

50. Totally agree...this girl needs therapy.

This is the most pathetic and obvious ploy for attention I've ever seen.

[Divine Discontent]

64. I agree, she's a fake, most everyone will realize that & we'll all MOVE ON by tomorrow.

let her enjoy her odd 15 minutes of fame.

[yardwork]

78. The problem is that the McCain campaign is using this to smear Obama.

This would be a non-story if she were some anonymous person who claimed to be beat up and wasn't. The police get dozens of those every week. Quite a number of people crave attention.

But this story broke on Drudge, and was immediately picked up by the McCain campaign. The story is that this scary huge black mugger was "enraged" by the poor defenseless white girl's bumper sticker that said McCain and so he turned back to her after mugging her and "carved" the initial "B" into her cheek.

That's what makes this story outrageous and why we need to jump on it quickly before it leads to a bunch of racist mobs attacking black men all over the country.

[Divine Discontent]

agreed it deserves a backlash from the DEMS decrying it as horrible event

unless proven otherwise, and that it's shameful for the McCain camp to even talk about it beyond saying it's a sad event to happen to anyone.

[yardwork]

89. If enough people call it for the b.s. it is, it will stop before it gets traction.

DU did the same the night we outed Parlock.

[Richard Steele]

123. We'll move on...but the FReepers never will. Not EVER. She's a RW "persecuted martyr" now...

...and there's NOTHING they love more than a RW martyr.

White Christian folks are the most OPPRESSED group
in US history, in their view, and they have to work
24/7 to remind people of that (in order to fight the
Satanic Liberal Media lies that have so many citizens
fooled into believing otherwise, you betcha!)

Some of them will still be bringing her name up 100 years
from now, to justify whatever racist BS they're spouting
in the year 2108.

Worse, it's a pretty safe bet that some of the worst scum
will be invoking her name next week, to justify
the violent hate crimes they're planning THIS MORNING. :puke:

[sunnybrook]

54. OK I give

I've been super busy for days and just now checking into DU. Who is this and what is the story?

[npincus]

56. are black eyes really black? Arent' they purplish? Or purplish-greenish?

Her eye looks BLACK... like it was done with charcoal-color eye pencil.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. They start out red...

go blue black, black, purplish, finally yellow and green.

And there's usually that bright red burst vessel the cornea.

Oh, and swelling.

[David__77]

61. Jesus CHRIST! Who cares???

This "story" won't gain traction, in the first place. Second, it's no reflection on Obama or his campaign - it was a ROBBERY. So we either have a random economic crime or we have a crude attempt at a ploy that wouldn't work in the first place. The media won't go for this in any way to be concerned about.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

67. I care.

This is a classic case of race baiting.

"This "story" won't gain traction, in the first place. "

It's already been on MSNBC.

"Second, it's no reflection on Obama or his campaign "

We can expect the McCain campaign to make that case.

"it was a ROBBERY. "

The evidence suggests it's all fake.

[David__77]

93. I care, I care...

Sorry, I'm just frustrated. It's sickening what we have to deal with due to racial prejudice. The right is hankering for a "race war." It sure smells weird to me, all this, I agree. But even if it wasn't a fake, I honestly don't think it will adversely impact Obama.

[HughMoran]

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[kestrel91316]

65. I'm only a veterinarian, but I know a thing or two about soft tissue trauma.

There is NO swelling of adjacent tissues. The bags under her eyes are identical.

The "bruise" is a uniform charcoal color. I've NEVER had a bruise like that myself, and I have had a few, lol.

Her sclera (the white of her eye) is not red, which doesn't make sense to me. A blow severe enough to cause a bruise that size should have caused at least a LITTLE redness of the sclera from superficial hemorrrhage.

What is with the exceedingly NEAT backwards "B"? It took a special effort to make the sctatch so uniform in depth and width. Looks to me like the cops need to check underneath this girl's own fingernails for skin cells from her face. There is no way that was inflicted by a mugger with a knife.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. The lack of swelling is the smoking gun.

IMO.

[SunsetDreams]

79. exactly, which is what I said above.

As well as the lack of the eye being blood shot.

[Lorien]

70. Just just like powder eyeshadow to me. No wonder she didn't want medical

treatment.

[Tarheel_Dem]

73. This sounds eerily like the Susan Smith story. Does anyone remember

that she initially blamed a black man for the kidnapping of her kids? The fact that this young woman refused medical treatment is troubling for me.

[AkFemDem]

80. Maybe after being robbed, beaten and threatened, she was crying and her mascara ran.

Come on, sometimes the simplest explaination is the right one.

[yardwork]

81. Mascara running from tears looks NOTHING like that. Come on.

[AkFemDem]

91. OF course they do after you have been crying and rubbing your face

and have no doubt been handed wet sipes from the police.

It's crap that this victim is under attack like this when there is NO proof that she did anything wrong. So her make up smudged her cheeks, that wasn't the focus of the picture and you know it.

[yardwork]

98. Her "smeared mascara" is as neat as her "carved initial." So much trauma, so little evidence.

But thank you for your concern.

[WinkyDink]

114. Nope. Eyelashes look fine.

[MagickMuffin]

84. Looks like smudged makeup to me

I could achieve the same results. Just put a lot of eyeliner and mascara and rub it really hard.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

87. Where's the swelling? nt

[Blue_In_AK]

92. I've had black eyes.

They didn't look like that, they were purple, and they were swollen. Is this alleged to have just occurred? It wouldn't look anything like this.

[SunsetDreams]

94. around 9 pm last night

[woo me with science]

96. Agreeing. It does not look real,

and the backwards "B" is very suspicious.

I hope there is follow-up on this.

[Wolfies Revenge]

99. my husband, former bouncer/security

looked at the pic for 5 seconds and said it wasn't real. He's had tons of black eyes from punches to getting his eyebrow split open from cowboy boots.

Said there's no purple color in the bruise, swelling or redness in her eye(s). Said the 'b' would have to come from behind and the shape is not from a knife.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

100. exif data

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[Cha]

102. I, unfortunately, have had

a Black eye..way back in the late '80s and it was painfully swollen ..and anything that close to your sensitive eye area with make the vessels in your eye red and swollen.

You don't get a "black eye" without it being swollen and red.

[LibraLiz1973]

104. I think she drew the B on her face in the mirror, which is why it is inverted.

And it was done with something OTHER than a knife, because it is not swollen and appears not to be scabbing... leading me to believe her skin wasn't punctured.
That is not a black eye. Neither one of her eyes is the least bit swollen. Also, you will note that she tried to make TWO black eyes there- a darker one on the left side of her face- but
there is NO damage to her nose or upper eyelids. The girl has clearly never seen a black eye up close.

[Sewsojm]

107. This gal needs some mental help, obviously faked!!

[dave29]

108. delete

delete

[Scooter24]

110. I emailed this photo to my mother who is a surgeon,

and at first glance, the first thing she noticed was the lack of trauma to the face. If this was a recent attack, there would be much more substantial bruising and surly more trauma, either cuts or swelling with varying degrees of eyelid closure and possibly increased amount of tears with redness. This picture shows nothing to that extent.

She also said judging by the irritated skin, that for the "B" to be "carved" into her with a knife as she claims showed that the attacker in question must have been very gentle to her as there are no open lesions or major inflammation around the "cuts." For someone robbing you, that behavior seems to be very suspect.

The only trauma she can see is the swelling of the right cheek. She was cautious to point out that there could possibly be other things that might have caused the reactions in her face but such severe blows to the head would most certainly require medical assistance.

[ballabosh]

111. Maybe I missed some updates

I only saw this as it was breaking before I left work, but didn't the story say that he struck her in the back of the head? Can you get a black eye from gettingstruck in the back?

If I'm wrong about this, nevermind.

[Lex]

112. You can get black eyes by being struck in the back of the head.

Any head trauma can cause black eyes, if your head gets slammed hard enough, but not usually without causing the whites of the eyes to be red. And if you got slammed in the head hard enough for your eyes to blacken, you'd probably need to have a CAT scan to see if you have a concussion. You'd want to go to the ER and not brush it off, I'd think.

[ballabosh]

115. OK, fair enough

Thanks.

[Lex]

118. Also, I think the blackness takes about 48 hours to show up.

It's not immediate. TMI, I know.

[Sparkly]

116. Yup! That was my first thought.

No swelling at all, blackened quickly, and looks just like mascara. :shrug:

[WHAT]

117. I have a bona fide black eye today. It happened yesterday...

about 4pm.

I was trying to move a little 4 foot wall framed with 2 by 4s and with a 30 inch door opening. I lost control of it and it came down on me and I dodged into the framed door opening. It hit on the eyebrow bone area, main impact from the end of the eyebrow to the outer corner of the eye.

There was not much swelling when it first happened and I put ice on it. Today both the upper and the lower lid are swollen and the bruising is a clear, dark purple. The sclera is clear.

After this post, I had to go check my eye out and compare. Also, it occurs to me that if I wanted to I could accuse a mean, old man who is a McCain supporter of assaulting me because I'm an Obama supporter. Because there are no witnesses, the general public will not know the truth. People who know the young woman would be most likely to guess correctly if she is making it up or not.

The way I look, I feel embarrassed to go out in public. If it really is a black eye, might embarrassment prod her into blaming someone else for it?

(I wouldn't even have replied to this post if I didn't have a shiner, myself, that occurred yesterday.)

[sickinohio]

120. Hey Joe/Jill the construction worker

I'm sorry that you got hurt on the job. I know that you work very hard, and that you all get hurt all the time. My brother does masonry work and he always has new cuts & bruises. Hard work. Also, my brother-in-law is "Jake the Plumber" and neither my brother or brother-in-law make $250,000 a year for their efforts. Off message, I know. I'm just writing down my thoughts. Kinda like "Failin the VP Candidate", thoughts going everywhere at 4:00 AM ET; I must be ready to be president. :hi:

[Chulanowa]

119. Well, obviously his black rubbed off on her!

And you know black men can't spell!

And yes, I'm being extremely sarcastic here. But i'll bet that's what she thought...

[shaniqua6392]

122. Look how she made the front page on CNN.....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/index.html

[Mother Of Four]

124. For that amount of "Bruising"

THIS is what her eye would look like, I dug up one that would create the same "after color"

Also- on afterthought. It would have different spots of color because of different rates of healing.

Yellow, Pink, Red, Brown, Purplish. The purple turns so dark it's called "Black" but it isn't. It never goes completely black, unless of course she's an alien and has black blood.





Sorry, in my opinion- that is not real. (EMT- Intermediate)
(Bah...Edited to correct- IMHO it's not. There's no way to know for sure without doing a physical exam)

[berni_mccoy]

127. I Love The Smell Of Vindication In the Afternoon.