Don't ever tell a DUer to keep their mouth shut about their suspicions!

[trumad]

I can't tell you how many F'ing times I've seen stories like B-Girl set off the bullshit detectors here on DU and how accurate we have been.

Shit---this was an easy one but we still had some here try to stifle our suspicions.

In MHO---- this is one of the main purposes of this forum---- To annihilate Bullshit stories like this.

Good job DU!

[Mabus]

1. I agree with this statement over 95% of the time

That's why I give it a K&R

Then there's the less than 5% of crap that concern trolls post which are nothing more than repetitions of RW smear points. Fortunately they are fairly easy to spot and just as easily tombstoned.

[jgraz]

3. You're a maverick!!

Sorry, "mavrick".

[Mabus]

22. This is what mavericky feels like!

And all this time I thought it was just peri-menopausal hot flashes. Either way, I don't think I like it.

[tekisui]

2. I love when DU heads come together to tear apart bullshit stories.

Good job, everyone!

When it doesn't pass the smell test here, it usually is bullshit.

[BelgianMadCow]

4. If you know how to read it, DU is a treasure.

Maybe the cream rose to the top faster in days past, but still..

DU is ahead of the curve, and sometimes off the curve ;-)

[dgibby]

5. What you said! BTW, where ARE those people today?

Haven't heard a word from any of them, have you?

[Melinda]

10. "Those" people? "Haven't heard a word from any of 'them'"?

Unbelievable.

Do you even know the meaning of the term "liberal"?

[dgibby]

20. Yes, but I can see you're dying to educate me, so have at it.

[Melinda]

26. Thanks anyway, but I refuse to buy into your "Us vs. Them" BS.

The liberal reference seems to have gone over your head.. sorry for confusing you.

[dgibby]

29. Bless your heart. You have a nice day!

[adamuu]

6. Hear, Hear. n/t

[vaberella]

7. I'm Vabby and I approve trumad's message. n/t

[DeepBlueDem]

8. i responded here on DU when this story broke out

Why He had to Be Black?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7575492&mesg_id=7575546

[Shakespeare]

9. The idea that such a thing would work is hilarious.

"stop posting so many threads about _________!"

Yeah, that ALWAYS works here. :rofl:

[Phredicles]

36. It is about like calling 911 to complain about traffic, isn't it?

[mhatrw]

11. Anybody can pile on Ashley The Plumper today.

Yesterday is what makes DU so special.

[sattahipdeep]

12. Did Henry Paulson break his finger or did someone cut his tendon?

:evilgrin:

[Geek_Girl]

13. DUers Know RW bullshit when they see it or read it!

That's the number one reason I keep coming back to DU.

Lot's of great internet investigative work too!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. All this story needed was a simply application of common sense.

People have really made fools of themselves over this issue. And I'm talking about DUers. Not just Todd, the media, or the McCain campaign.

[faithfulcitizen]

15. Oh, hush.

J/K :hide:

[political_Dem]

16. Yes! It is never wrong to be skeptical.

[ieoeja]

17. Yeah? Well why don't you just shut it!

I'm telling you not to tell me to not tell you to not tell things you want told.

Guess I told you.

[Gregorian]

18. It's the one thing I've learned here.

When I first lurked, I couldn't believe the skepticism. I even mistook it for just plain negativism. Man what a lesson I learned. There were brains behind it. That's the difference. Now when I see it happening, and I don't understand, I step back and watch. And invariably I learn again. We've made progress.

You guys totally rock! And I appreciate it.

[smiley_glad_hands]

19. K & MFING R. eom

[grantcart]

21. btw did you notice that it got her a pizza?

[endthewar]

23. Who?

Good job hammering MSNBC by the way. :hi:

[Kingofalldems]

25. Who was that?

I missed it.

[H2O Man]

28. Yep.

[Melinda]

30. I noticed, and yet I didn't see anything in her thread that warrants a TS

She didn't tell anyone to shut up, but rather to step back and gather the facts (and let law enforcement do its thing) before we started calling for her head (ala Bush* and his ilk.. us v them). Her OP and exchanges were well reasoned, and she even complimented you in one... why do you think she was booted?

I enjoyed her posts, and sharp mind very, very much, and will miss her participation here.

[Beetwasher]

24. Fuckin' A Right, Trumad! Fuckin A Right!

Best bullshit meter on the tubes.

[BlooInBloo]

27. Good job to those who weren't fucking stupid enough to fall for it.

[EFerrari]

31. (I love DU. Because members look at all sides of a situation.

They looked at if the story made sense, at what it meant for black men who have so often and horribly been scapegoated, they looked at what it meant for women trying to report a real assault, they even looked at what it meant about the mental state of this person.)

DU. :toast:

[mzmolly]

35. While I was skeptical,

I agree with you Sfexpat. We "check" each other here. :hi:

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. I bet we won't see the corona girl contributing to this thread.

[iamthebandfanman]

33. uh, no

you never rush into anything. if you do , youre a fool.

sometimes its best to sit back and let things unfold on their own.

im pretty sure this case was cracked without DU's expert investigators.

[Melinda]

34. Exactly so. The only major media to run w/this was Faux, Hannity, and Drudge...

I seriously doubt that the McCain campaign was involved in planning this hoax, but I've heard that the campaign was pushing this story to reporters rather aggressively last night, and Fox News and Drudge have been covering it with great enthusiasm (and without much skepticism). Most national news outlets paused, waiting for additional information. It was the right move. No word, as of yet, on contrition from Fox News or Drudge." --

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015349.php

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread; Fools make those inquiries afterwards which wise men make before. - anonymous

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Exactly wrong

The story, without any effort at fact checking, was widely reported in print media and on local news.

The contradictions that yelled BULLSHIT were present in the very first report on this incident, even before the backward B showed up. She refused medical attention. That was a huge glaring giant contradiction to her alleged face carving and severe beating by black partisan mugger story. You get a beating and a face carving, you go to the hospital. You don't go to the hospital, something is very wrong with your story.

I wait until I see the data that makes the original story false, or very likely false, and then I start calling bullshit right here as loud as I can. What I don't do is wait for Corporate Media to Do The Right Thing. We are the pressure on them to keep them honest. If we don't call BULLSHIT, if we assume instead that those whose paychecks depend on the beneficence of the Corporate Elites will do it for us, we are fools.

[Melinda]

42. The only media presenting the initial story as "fact" is exactly what I posted above

And those are always suspect. Nowhere in my statement do I applaud the corporate media... quite the opposite in fact. What I do assert however is that for me, the story remained suspect until all the facts were in, period. The Pittsburgh police did an outstanding job of gathering the evidence, asking all pertinent questions, analyzing the data, etc., before arriving at any conclusion(s) which in turn ultimately led to the expose of Ms. Todd's lies.

I stand by my initial assertion in this issue, and any and all issues/matters such. Unless I am a percipient witness to any matter, criminal or otherwise, I'll reserve judgment until all the facts are in. I refuse to carry a pitchfork, or call for the burning of a witch until all the facts are in, and the investigation is complete.

You and I are on the same side, we just have a difference of opinion as to when one personally adjudicates anothers guilt. That's all. :)

[Warren Stupidity]

47. Not true. Again: this story, without any attempt to point out the

problems with it, was reported in the print media and on local broadcast media outlets all over the country. John McCain and Sarah Palin attempted to make a campaign issue out of it, to exploit it for political gain in the battleground state of Pennsylvania.

You are sophisticated enough to know that Fox is bullshit, plenty of people aren't.

You go right ahead and sit there while the bullshit is being blared. Indeed don't speak up, even when the official story is full of contradictions.

'Adjudicate guilt'? I am not a legal entity, I am a person with an opinion that I post on a public message board. I am not required to withhold my opinion until all the facts are in, and I damn well am not going to do so when there exists a multi billion dollar well tuned propaganda machine whose purpose is to keep our citizens fat dumb and happy with a continuous spew of bullshit frequently composed of half baked truths and total fictions.

There is a point to all the time we waste here, perhaps a very small point, but this is an outlet for uncontrolled unmanaged information. You think it is your responsibility to shut up until our Corporate Masters have presented us with 'all the facts' whatever that means, I think it is my responsibility to examine everything they do with a very critical, paranoidly critical, eye, assume always that they are lying with motive, look for the bullshit, and when found expose it for everyone else to see. In that respect, on this issue, we are not on the same side at all.

[Melinda]

50. I do not think it my responsibility to shut-up; I do think you lack the ability

to comprehend exactly what I am saying. When anyone assumes w/out all the facts being in, they are not expressing an "opinion", they are allowing the "Corporate Masters" who push this crap to control them, which in and of itself is an abolishment of the rule of law. That's Freeper mentality - and I pass.

We don't agree, period.

[Jersey Devil]

37. Yeah, and this means we shouldn't complain about 100 strings on the same subject?

That's what bothered me, not a discussion of it, but a seeming obsession.

[Warren Stupidity]

38. Filed under NO SHIT

Cross filed under "What the fuck is wrong with some of us?"

[Warren Stupidity]

39. Filed under NO SHIT

Cross filed under "What the fuck is wrong with some of us?"

[QueenOfCalifornia]

41. But the concern

THE CONCERN!!!!!

I saw the story as full on B.S. the second I saw it. I couldn't believe anyone would give that girl any credence. But they sure as hell did. :shrug:

Do I think anyone should have been tombstoned for buying it? Not really. Of course I didn't see whatever the comment was that nailed the pizza box closed.

[progressivebydesign]

43. I agree. I try to explain that these stories have to run their course here to get to the truth..

or get discarded. It's like a public vetting machine.

[Norrin Radd]

44. It happens constantly in the 9/11 / dump-every-suspicion-here forum.

[Desertrose]

45. Ya got that right, trumad!

Good job for sure, DU.

[ecstatic]

46. We've been tested in crisis. We know BS when we see/hear it

:)

This right leaning asshole I know was so smug and condescending towards me when I expressed my doubts about Ms. B's story. He said I was an over the top Obama supporter who had crossed the line into hate. When I updated him on how the story was a hoax, he said that I probably would have been just as nasty towards a real victim. NOT. I don't tolerate hate crimes by anyone for any reason.

[seabeyond]

48. i am with you trumad. i dont get why people have picked up on that about du. what we do SO well

and something i LOVE about du. then you have the same people come in and yell distraction, trap, wait for proof yada yada

[H2O Man]

49. I've had a couple of times

over the years when I thought people were wrong about something they questioned, and when I found out that it was me who was wrong. People here are really outstanding in their ability to see through the images the media presents. I've learned my lesson!

[BlooInBloo]

51. Fuck all those who gave it even 2 seconds worth of credence.