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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:30 PM
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All Obama has to do to tie McCain is win Nevada- we may already have it
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 03:32 PM by Alhena
The recent PA and NH polls make it seem virtually certain that Obama will win all the Kerry states, and the recent polls make it seem virtually certain that he will win Iowa and New Mexico. That leaves him with 264 electoral votes- 5 short of the 269 needed to tie and throw the election to the Democratic House of Representatives. Under that scenario, it seems almost certain that Obama would win the national popular vote (considering his huge inroads in states like Georgia, NC and Indiana, even if he doesn't win them), and it is hard to see how, in an electoral tie, a faithless elector or the House of Representatives could give the race to the candidate who lost the popular vote. Especially after what happened in 2000, our entire democracy would be an international joke. So basically, a tie is almost certainly an Obama win.

Obama will have his tie/win if he can carry Nevada's 5 electoral votes, even if he somehow loses in Florida, Ohio, NC, Virginia, Missouri, Indiana, and Colorado. So even if we have a crushing election night with narrow loss after narrow loss, Nevada remains there as our Alamo- we regroup there and defend it, and we tie/win.

With that in mind, these articles from the last few weeks look pretty encouraging:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/24/massive-democratic-advantage-early-voting-nevada/

After six days of early voting in Nevada (5 electoral votes), Democratic turnout exceeds Republican turnout 57 percent to 27 percent.

When the early walk-in vote is combined with mail-in absentee vote, the Democratic advantage is 54 percent to 30 percent.

The Democratic vote margin in early and absentee voting (after six days) is 39,000 votes. On Wednesday, the early vote breakdown was 12,475 Democratic ballots to 6,961 GOP ballots.

In the state's most populous and Democratic county - Clark County - 20 percent of active (otherwise known as likely) voters and 16 percent of registered voters have cast ballots.

This activity strongly suggests an Obama victory in Nevada as his campaign has feverishly stoked early voting throughout the state and has had union muscle in Las Vegas encouraging in tandem.

John McCain's campaign is already looking at the prospect of loses in Colorado and New Mexico.

Combined, these three states account for 19 electoral votes - all of which Bush carried in '04.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/oct/09/mccains-absence-troubles-nevada-pols/

The McCain camp won’t say how many paid staff members are in Nevada. Rogich said he did not know the exact size of that staff, but said it is “close to 30.”

The Obama campaign has about 100 paid staff members in the state.

A few Republican operatives, who declined to be named, offered blunt criticism.

The McCain campaign is “a joke,” one said. “There’s not a campaign in Nevada. A couple of guys, running around, being incompetent. Or even worse, arrogantly incompetent.”

The consultant said there was no discernible McCain ground game, which is political jargon for the massive effort needed to find likely supporters and get them to the polls.

He did hedge a bit, saying that if some earth-shattering event were to occur, McCain could still win in Nevada. Otherwise: “There’s not one single positive note for Republicans. I couldn’t be more pessimistic.”
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:33 PM
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1. With Iowa, Colorado and New Mexico all showing Obama ahead by double digits...
he doesn't even need Nev. The Kerry states plus those three put him over 270. Mind you, every win is great, but more and more, this is looking like a done deal.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:37 PM
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4. Colorado has had several polls in the 5 point lead range- it looks good, but not a sure thing
I'm always hesitant on counting too much on a state that GW Bush won by 100,000 vote in 2004. Nevada was closer, plus the early/absentee margin for Democrats is better in Nevada than Colorado. Granted, the GOP has a history of having a huge absentee ballot lead in Colorado, so to be tied with them is an accomplishment. But I'm still not counting our chickens in Colorado.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:35 PM
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2. Talking about a tie is fucking stupid.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:38 PM
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5. Appreciate your input
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:37 PM
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3. Nicely studied and presented.....but.....ain't gonna even be close........nt
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:40 PM
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6. Hopefully not, but this is the thing to remember if the early evening news is bad on Nov. 4
we've got a very deep field of defense. If we don't win in the eastern time zone with OH, FL, NC or VA, we can fall back to the central time zone and MO and IN. If we don't win there, we fall back to the Mountain time zone and CO. If we lose in ALL of those places, we've still got Nevada serving as our Alamo, and we have a huge lead in early voting there. That's reassuring to me.
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Two Sheds Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:15 PM
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7. K &R
one respondent to the OP said that talking about a tie was "fucking stupid." No it's not. This is a great OP because it lays one huge fact down: the best McCain can do is to send this election to the Democratic controlled house. The EV map is blue.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:17 PM
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8. The election will be won in Virginia ...

The election will be won in Virginia. If Obama wins Virginia, there is NO WAY for McCain to win ... period.

Having said that there are several states in the tossup category anyone of which will throw the election to Obama. Obama has to lose ALL of them in order for McCain to win the election.

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Two Sheds Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:22 PM
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9. Hey, I agree with you. I'm talking about the Democrats' EV baseline being 269
It's a good feeling. It will be even better when VA is called before the polls have closed in the West.
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psquare Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:04 PM
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10. I'm going up to LV for the fourth time this weekend, staying until Wednesday
after ED. Hopefully a better result than 2004, when I was going to AZ on the weekends for Kerry. My impressions so far are that there is an enormous amount of support for Obama, especially Hispanic and AA, everyone knows about early voting and most intend to, and the only nay-sayers I've talked to were people we weren't going to get anyway. Clark County will be the key for the state. If Obama rolls up a big margin, there's no way the rest of the state can turn it over.

That being said, the GOTV operation I'm sure will be the best part of the whole campaign. I. can't. wait.
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