Dead Intern Joe Is Rewriting History

[DemocratSinceBirth]

He would have fit in with the old Stalinists who air brushed out of photos leaders who fell out of favor...

Joe,

As a political scientist and politics buff I have followed every election closely since 1980...


Few people were surprised by Ronald Reagan's 1980 victory although many were surprised by its magnitude...In fact, Pat Cadell, Jimmy Carter's chief pollster told him it was over the Sunday immediately before the election...


The lion's share of final pre-election polls in 2004 showed Kerry losing ...What tripped people up is that Matt Drudge, among others, released flawed and raw exit polls...By the way raw exit polls showed Mike Dukakis beating Bush Pere in 1988...

I thought I had an epiphany where I would hate no more but Dead Intern Joe irks me...

[BeyondGeography]

1. He's another of those wingnuts who believes if only "pure" conservatism was practiced

the world would be a better place. And they think we're the utopians.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. On Elections

The only presidential elections that surprised me were 00 and 04 and that was because of anomalies like the Florida brouhaha and the releasing of raw exit polls...I do think Gore got jobbed; if the votes of everybody who intended to vote for him in FL were counted he would have won easily... I do believe Kerry just lost...


I am a Democrat...I am philosophically liberal, temperamentally conservative, and operationally pragmatic...In fact that's where I see Obama...That's where I saw Hillary too...

[BeyondGeography]

4. Same here

Only Zogby had Kerry winning prior to Election Day.

Remember, freepers?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Zo(m)by Had Kerry Winning On Election Day

He released his final poll at 1:00 PM EST , coincidentally, after the raw exit polls were leaked...


It's not that Z(o)mby has an ideological bias...He has a contrarian bias...He plays with his numbers to make news and create publicity for himself...

[Botany]

8. Once again Ohio

Ohio

In 2004 there were more registered dems than republicans (not much but more)

In new voter registrations the dems registered 325,000 the repubs registered 35,000
(this does not count voters who were registered by Nathan Sproul & Assoc who dressed
up ACT people and went out as Move America Forward and
"pitched" dem registrations bush/Cheney 04 paid Sproul more than 10 million $s)

Ohio from 2000 to 2004 lost more jobs than any state in the Nation ..... pocketbook
issues are the #1 predictive factor in voting behavior

11/3/04 @ 1:07 AM CNN had the exit polling @ 51.5 to 48% female voters in favor of Kerry
and 49 to 47% male voters in favor of Kerry

Thousands of "glitches' happened on 11/2/04 and almost every one favored bush .... the
stats on that happening by random chance are off the chart.

24.9% of all voters in Cuyahoga County had been purged from the voting rolls prior to
the election. The Cuyahoga County BOE was run by the chair of the state GOP Robert
Bennett ...... a jury trial found that the recount in Cuyahoga County had been "fixed."
Mr. Bennett when fired from his job by the new Sec. of State Jennifer Brunner dropped his
appeal of his termination when given the chance for an open hearing about what happened
in Cuyahoga County in 2004 .... Brunner told me this story herself.

The vast majority of the "Presidential under vote" in Ohio occurred in African American
Communities ... the level of this under vote was more than double the M.O.V. for
bush 110,000 (??) ... this undervote is different from the voters purged from voter
rolls (roles ??) prior to the election ... much of it happened in Hamilton and Montgomery
Counties ..... Cincinnati & Dayton.

The Sec. of State in Ohio in 2004 routed the vote data through a computer in Richfield, OH
and then down to Chattanooga, TN to a company that was called Smartech ... Smartech
had other accounts too ... bush/Cheney 04, The RNC, & gwb43.com aka Karl Rove
was reading our vote data before it was posted.

55 of the 88 Counties in Ohio destroyed their 2004 ballots, voting logs, poll tickets,
and other items pertaining to the election despite a Fed. Judge's order to save those
"things" ...... the funniest explanation was that in Holmes County (that had the surprise
Amish vote ... ah they don't vote and are anti war) a coffee pot fell on the ballots and
the glass and liquid made them throw out everything.

Diebold Machines used in the 2004 election were proved to "drop votes" ..... the funny
thing was that the vote dropping was a function of the "vote traffic" the machines
would retain 100% of the vote in rural areas but drop votes in urban areas (Washington Post
last summer) ..... In a side by side study run by Sec. of State Jennifer Brunner all ERD machine
(in 2007) were shown to have problems with security, accuracy, and data reliability. Brunner
is now suing Diebold for providing bad machines ... BTW Diebold also makes ATM machines
I can charge $2.00 for a pack of gum and 5 minutes later I can go to my bank and print a
statement that shows my $2.00 gum purchase.


In Ohio an old political maxium is that the Dems take the northeast the repubs take the southwest
in whom ever wins Columbus wins the state .... Kerry won Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati.

And lastly in 2004 I saw the cheating w/ my own eyes working @ a poll and heard the
cheating w/ my own ears.

[Hansel]

9. He's one of those wingnuts who is affraid his taxes are going to be increased.

That's all. He's a self absorbed dick that still hasn't figured out the only reason that he makes the money he does is because he gets a hell of a lot more benefits from tax dollars than most people. Air waves, airlines, roads, bridges, business laws, copy right laws, public security services, yadda, yadda. These are all things that are supplemented by tax dollars that he gets far more benefit from than the poor peasants he's afraid he might have to give up a dime for.

That's the entire mantra of the right wing. Whaaaaaa, I don't think I should have to pay taxes! Whaaaa! But I should still get more benefit from them than anyone else. Whaaa! All of the other crap they talk about is just to get the gullible and hateful morons to keep electing the pukes that keep them from having to pay their fair share.

[wordpix]

10. I guess Joe doesn't drive, fly, take the train/subway or cross bridges

All things tax dollars pay for and wingnuts are railing against. They don't want our infrastructure improved or maintained b/c it will cost too much. Guys like Joe are too stupid to ask themselves what their wars have cost.

[Unbowed]

2. He's so filled with oozing venom and sarcasm, I'm surprised his big head doesn't

EXPLODE!

Come election night, maybe it will.

[chelsea0011]

6. I worked that Sunday for Pat Caddell,although you were never told who you worked for,

on that very Sunday. I polled hundreds and noticed how Reagan really was getting the lion's share that day. It was notahappy day forme.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Wow- Tell Me More

I guess some pollsters have their own call centers and some pollsters contract it out...

For instance WAPO-ABC contracts out the calling but does their own compiling, tabulating, and analysis...

[chelsea0011]

12. I applied for a polling job out of Cambridge,Ma. and was hired.

I worked about three days a week during some 2-3 months and volunteers were asked to work that Sunday(my memory was it was the Monday before the election, but it was a long time ago).In the months I worked we were never told who we worked for. All we did know is that we were doing national polling on the Presidential election. However, just reading the type of questions made you very aware you were working for Carter and Pat Caddell. I spent one day asking people if Reagan were more or less likely to start a nuclear war. The polls were always close until the last one before the election. There was always a huge undecided vote in that election that didn't pan out until late. My strongest memory was that in each shift you would call maybe 150 people. By far the majority didn't pick up and out of those 150, if you got 10 people to do a complete poll (some of them pretty long), it was a good day. I got cussed out one Sunday from a man in Tenn. for getting him out of his "easy chair" on a Sunday to take a stupid poll. You had to have a sense of humor to do this. Oh. It did pay well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. He just called Mika a liberal

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