Todays GOP-CNN talking point

[BootinUp]

Kerry has taken 8 different positions on the Iraq war. CNN repeats Karl Roves talking points and make no effort to even question the ridiculousness of their claim. What a world. :mad:

[cthrumatrix]

1. Our point is: shrubya is a cola whore who coward out of duty!

[mbali]

2. So, what else is new?

[BootinUp]

6. Well there is silence from Kerry on that charge. Its the basis

for the whole flip flop charge. Whenever the repukes raise that charge we counter attack on Bush being wrong, but we never hear a good defense on whether Kerry is or isn't the flip flopper they say he is. Kerry needs talk about his consistency on Iraq. Fit that in with his standard stump speech.

[mbali]

15. Has he been silent or have you just not heard what he or the campaign

are saying about it?

[BootinUp]

19. I can't remember hearing the words

Kerry did not flip flop, or Kerry has not taken different stances on Iraq, and then followed with an explanation, no.

[michigandem2]

3. yeah been hearing that too...

so silly...and like some of their other attacks that just kinda fall apart..if we don't adress that then they have to come up with some way to answer...let them try to spin it..Kerry gave a great speech and I think his stance on Iraq has been consistent...kinda muddled but consistent...so lets just keep hammering GWB like we did today

[clydefrand]

4. I am so sick of people not going after the Bush's

surrogates. I've watched Susan Rice today try to explain to one of Bush's henchmen that Cheney's statement yesterday of fear mongering people into voting for that cowardly bunch. I'm just ready to scream! Why aren't there people who are willing to get into the faces of these talking heads and call them what they are? Fucking liars!!! All of them. I'd like to be there beside of one of them when Kerry is getting gored! Where is Carville? He would have torn that asshole to shreds a few minutes ago when Wolf was talking with them. I can't believe the gall of these rotten humans. They will do anything to get elected.

[mbali]

17. Susan Rice kicked this buy's butt today - what are you talking about?

This isn't about Bush's surrogates - it's about Bush's lies - so "going after them" is a useless gesture. Calling a surrogate a f*cking liar won't get any votes for Kerry. Calmly and forcefully making a fool out of him on national television by showing how inconsistent he is - which is exactly what Susan Rice did - is much more effective.

Carville might have torn him a new one, but he would not have been able to challenge him substantively on the facts, since he's not an expert in the area. Susan is and made this guy look ridiculous.

[TheFarseer]

5. So I guess it's better that W had one position

.......which was completely WRONG

[BootinUp]

7. We've heard that, but stating it that way

you accept the charge as it was made? I think we need to point out both.

[michigandem2]

9. "i may change my mind when I've been mislead but GWB is

a stubborn man who won't admit a mistake as a "mistake" he just calls it a miscalculation...well explain that to a military wife...or a mother...or a father--those "miscalculations" were a big mistake and I am not as stubborn as GWB to admit that"

[July]

10. Well, one position and 25 reasons for it.

Attack Iraq was the position. Choose one of our a la carte choices for the rationale.

[Spazito]

8. They are trying to put Kerry on the defensive again...

and Kerry is doing the right thing by sticking on message, the message being Bush is wrong, wrong on the war, wrong on the economy, etc.

They want Kerry to respond defensively to this old saw but it's not working.

Kerry is on the attack and is going to stay on the attack.

[BootinUp]

11. When it comes to major policies

You have to spend some part of your time defending, to not do so is to accept the charge from the opposition. I think both attacks and defense can be done together and effectively.

Of course I am just a peon. :)

[Spazito]

12. The defense can be done by surrogates and done very ably...

as Wes Clark has done repeatedly and, I have no doubt, will continue to do so. Kerry will stay on the attack, using great sound bites as he did today and his use of W stands for wrong.

You are right, both can be done, it is a question of who does what, imo.

[BootinUp]

13. Yes thats true

but there still is not a unified message with regard to this flip flopping charge. Oh well.

[mbali]

18. That's because it's impossible to defend against a flip-flop charge

in a soundbyte. It's easy to make the allegation in one or two sentences. But the only way to defend such charges is with facts and explanations - and that can't be done glibly.

We need to give the voters a little credit. They understand English and can understand someone who speaks in full sentences and can even follow a whole paragraph.

[jab105]

14. Agreed...its an easy enough defense...

"I supported the $87 billion when there was a way to pay for it, and accountability for the large money that was being handed out...when the Republcians decided that there should not be a way to pay for it and there should be no accountability with what to do with the money...I had to vote against it.

My fears have turned out to be correct, the money has added greatly to our massive debt, and the money has not been spent on the rebuilding, what they said it would be sent on. On top of that, the people in charge have not been held accountable for spending it wrongly.

If only President Bush had supported the version of the bill that didn't put the American taxpayers into debt and hold services from the reconstruction, then we would be in a much better position today, fiscally in the US as well as regarding the reconstruction in Iraq"

WHY DOESN"T KERRY DO THIS?!?!?!!??!?!!??!!??!!!!!!

[GOPAgainstGW]

16. THE U.S. HAS LOST THE IRAQ WAR!! - THE FIRST K-E SHOT WAS FIRED TODAY!!

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[Generator]

20. And here's the Dem reply

And Bush as had only one. That's true. And no matter how badly it appears to be working,no matter how many soldiers die, no matter how many new terrorists are being made, George Bush will still have the same position. Because according to Republicans, the only thing that matters is believing in your position, no matter how much you are shown it isn't effective.