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Sat Nov-01-08 01:24 PM
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What State Call on Tues., Will Make You Yell: President OBAMA! |
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I don't believe that PA would suddenly "go red" from "blue" in a year when Repukes are the most hated vermin on the planet...so I'm assuming he will take PA. Therefore, in knowing he's going to take that certain chunk of Mid-west sates (like Iowa), my celebration will start when they call Virginia for Obama. McCain then can win Ohio, Florida, NC, etc. and it's still going to be time for the Fat Lady to sing!!! President and Mrs. Obama has a nice ring to it doesn't it??
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:25 PM
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1. PA is the state that will make me start believing |
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Haven't all the pollsters said if McCain* doesn't win PA, he can't win?
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:26 PM
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2. either OH or FL will convice me it's sealed |
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if he gets both, we'll start looking for a landslide!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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Gato--he doesn't really need OH of FL |
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if he gets VA. He's going to get that group in the midwest and NM and CO (and even NV thrown in for extra measure) and, of course, the west coast. VA does it for him after ne nails PA>
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:32 PM
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27. no he does not, but they close before others and if he gets either it is a done deal |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:42 PM
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that's why i said if we get both fl and oh, i'll start looking for the electoral landslide. if we bury McCorpse early in the evening, freeptards, repubs and other rightwing trash in middle america and out west won't bother heading to the polls. that will put all those close western states in play and will also help with all the down ballot races.
so, i'm hoping to see obama sprint past McTurtle and burn him on the east coast before he knows what hit him.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:32 PM
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26. Chuck Todd said this morning that NBC thinks it will be able to call Virginia... |
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... an hour after the vote count begins; 8:30 pm or so.
He then said that the next state to watch is OHIO, since the polls in Pennsylvania and Florida are open later. He said that Ohio is their tipping point; if NBC calls Ohio for Obama, they'll call the Presidency for him at the same time.
OHIO! O-H!! I-O!!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:26 PM
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Will make me scream with delight!
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:24 PM
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62. YEP--Virgnia is the state that will seal it for me.../t |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:27 PM
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5. If PA goes to Obama... |
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it will really cripple McCain' chances to win the election...he will still have a chance but it will make it nearly impossible...so if Obama wins PA then I know we are headed in the right direction and will probably win...GOBAMA!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:30 PM
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22. Pa isn't in play and was never anything more than McCain's... |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:31 PM
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25. YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT... |
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that's why things are looking good for Obama...if PA goes to Obama it is pretty much over....
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:27 PM
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6. NC, baby. We are going to win NC! |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:27 PM
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that's all we need. I'm assuming we get the Gore states.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:28 PM
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8. For me, it's Indiana, not because it will be the first indication of Obama's victory |
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but because my family is from Indiana. I was born there and lived there from age 10 to 16. Then we moved to Texas. I'm not holding my breath for Texas to go for Obama but it would be very exciting for me to see Indiana go blue! :bounce:
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:38 PM
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32. Harris County (Houston) I believe will go blue, but Texas itself will be red |
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As much as I'd like to see a 50-state rout, all the exit polls are showing McCain advantage. They're very religious down here and I keep hearing the slogan "vote the party, not the person". How embarrassing that it has come to that for them.
IN and FL would make me very happy!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:28 PM
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9. I think McCain has to have Ohio, FL, and PA... therefore, when Obama wins any 1 of those |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:28 PM
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11. which ever gives him 270. |
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Though if VA goes blue, something I have long been waiting for, it'll be tempting! :P
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:59 PM
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58. Same here, VA will be a super indication, but give me 270, PLEASE give me 270! |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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12. FLORIDA! FLORIDA! FLORIDA!! N/T |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:44 PM
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41. yes!!! FLORIDA!!! And could we please throw in GA and AZ |
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Just for humiliation value?
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:52 PM
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52. aka, 'Al Gore's REVENGE!! nt |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:59 PM
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I am so hoping for a Florida win. I will be dancing in the street if that happens.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:31 PM
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68. Florida will be the state. |
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Why? Because Obama can win without Florida, but McCain can't. If Obama wins Florida, McCain mathematically has lost, assuming the polls had some basis in reality and other states don't suddenly 'flip'.
It's those middle of the night flips that can take years off someone's life.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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The first states to close polls include IN, GA, and VA. Assuming Obama carries all the Gore/Kerry states (in all of which he has 10+ point leads in the polls), then if Obama wins any one of those three he is over the 270 EV threshold. Virginia is the most likely to be called first.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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15. If Obama wins FL, IN, MO, NC, OH, or GA it's over. |
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Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 01:32 PM by jefferson_dem
If Obama wins VA, McCrypt must win PA or it's over.
...End of story.
...Too many other combinations to list.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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16. Anyone of the following: |
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Ohio Pennsylvania Virginia
If all three go that way? Shit, I will think I am having an orgasm... lol ...probably will if that happens!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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has always been a good predictor of the outcome.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:51 PM
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Indiana will be the first results in and if Obama wins it, it'll be an extremely short night. It's gonna happen.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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19. Virgina is the state to watch, polls close at 7 pm there. |
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McCain will not win without VA. I'm still not worried about PA.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:29 PM
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20. O-H!! I-O!! O-H!! I-O!! O-H!! I-O!! O-H!! I-O!! O-H!! I-O!! |
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:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:30 PM
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21. Virginia seals it. McCain can't win Pa |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:31 PM
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23. PA is a win. VAis a decisive win. NC is a landslide! |
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CO will be the final nail in McCain's coffin.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:51 PM
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It's the first state to close at 7pm EST. I figure if VA goes for Obama I can start my party early. It will be 4 pm in CA and I'll have time to run to BevMo and get that bottle of expensive champaign I promised myself back in 2004. It will be nice and chilled by time my son, his girlfriend and my best friend get here after 5.
I really really really hope this is the case.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:32 PM
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28. Indiana - or Virginia |
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If I remember correctly, Indiana and Kentucky are the first states to have final results. If we take Indiana, it's over. If not Indiana, then Virginia. The cool part is we can lose both of those and still have many paths to a victory.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:51 PM
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48. Indiana polls close at 6 PM |
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If we turn Indiana blue, I'll know that Obama will win big elsewhere.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:28 PM
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66. I just typed the same thing! |
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Just got back from voting. What energy. I kept hearing two songs in my head - the great "Yes We Can" song, and ... REM's "Happy Shining People" (well just the refrain) as I saw/experienced how jovial everyone was in the hour and a half line - how diverse the voting crowd was and just how elation sort of permeated the city county building.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:35 PM
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29. Both PA and VA will be slow coming in, because neither have early voting. |
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But if either one can be predicted before it's all counted, that means it's going to be a big enough win for the media to go out on a limb. So for me, if either of those can be "called" before late in the evening, that's it.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:36 PM
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30. Chuck Todd says NBC needs Ohio to make the call for the Presidency |
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He says they expect to call Virginia first, but they need Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida to call the entire race for Obama. He expects OHIO to be that state!!!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:40 PM
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36. They can not "Call It" before all the polls close can they? |
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55 for CA 7 for OR 11 for WI 4 for HI
they all close late, Yes Obama will win them but they can not called it until their polls close
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:43 PM
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40. That's a really good question |
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I seem to remember in the past they've called the entire race long before the west coast polls close, but I could be wrong.
What do other DUers think? Chuck Todd didn't bring up the west coast so I really don't know.
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Sat Nov-01-08 04:11 PM
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the news can call a state after that state's own polls have closed... when the votes counted become definite enough to be sure of, that is.
But neither PA or VA will have any counted from early voting, so it will take at least a little time after closing for both of them to get enough in, to know. VA closes at 7 pm EST and PA closes at 8 pm EST. So 9-ish would be fast, IMO.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:46 PM
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42. Exactly! Let's turn AZ blue! |
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I want AZ as well as a few southern states like VA, NC, GA, FL and MS and LA if we can get them. I want the Rethugs to be totally demoralized at the end of Nov. 4. I want a landslide to usher in President Obama, Vide President Biden, our 60 or so Senators and our 270+ Representatives.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:39 PM
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34. Virginia and North Carolina |
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I am from PA so I would be thrilled about that too of course but VA and NC means he won it period. McCain can't win without them.
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37. VA = we probably won. NC = landslide is on, baby. |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:43 PM
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39. Stuff you guys just said about Chuck Todd |
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If he says that they think they can call VA within an hour of closing, then it's his way of saying it's in Obama's bag. Because, if it was tight, it would take them longer than an hour AND this state is not a close one right now. In other words, it won't be flipping like a zillion points in a few days to a McCain blow out.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:47 PM
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43. Two states. PA and Virginia. nt |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:47 PM
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44. Whatever gets us over the 270 line as the results are still coming in |
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But if we win states like North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, and Missouri and still aren't there yet, then we've as good as won.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:49 PM
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45. Virginia - Ohio, Florida, - or Colorado n/t |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:50 PM
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46. Colorado or New Mexico. |
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By then we'll only have the West Coast left to decide things, and a victory would be guaranteed.
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71. To me it was. You know what? I'm not five. I'm a grown woman |
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who has been making her own decisions for 54 years without your help. Bugger off.
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Sat Nov-01-08 08:48 PM
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74. I didn't offer any help |
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The "Flori-Duh" crap is old. Have a nice day. I will now "Bugger off".
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78. Don't Get Too Upset... I LIVE Here In A Ruby Red County & I Myself |
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refer to the state as FLOR-EEEE-DUH!! I can't tell you how many times people have said negative things to me about why this place hasn't learned how to vote yet!!
One more reason I really, really, really want this state to stick it to McCain!! And YES IT IS ABOUT REVENGE or maybe just DIGNITY!!
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:52 PM
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51. Virginia. That's it right there. |
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54. MT. Won't happen and isn't necessary, but I really fucking want to see it |
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:55 PM
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56. Virginia. But I would faint dead away if they said "Texas" |
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that would be fantastic!!
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Kerry's poll numbers showed he was less popular with independents than Obama is, and he took PA. So if VA or NC goes blue, I think it's safe to say President Obama.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:21 PM
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61. VA. I am making calls this morning, and feed back is VA is going blue ! n/t |
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I think he will win here. And there is no way he doesn't win the country (and in a landslide) if he wins in Indiana.
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65. Florida and/or Virginia |
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69. Yes Virginia, there is a President Obama |
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72. Virginia IS for lovers!! |
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Sat Nov-01-08 09:00 PM
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77. Nevada decided the last two elections |
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And it may do so again. Regardless, I can't help Obama win in Virginia or Florida or anywhere else. I can and have mdke sure that I do everything in my power to make sure he wins Nevada.
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79. MI, PA, FL, AK, GA or AL. Any of those would work for me. |
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PA isn't even in question for me.
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Unless the results from the swing states take a long time, in which case it's whichever one puts him over 270.
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Sun Nov-02-08 11:29 AM
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83. Not until McCain's concession speech, and the last lawyer goes home. |
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I saw that McCain's people plan to take it to COURT if McCain loses :( They said they will charge that ACORN and Common Cause threw the election to Obama, and they plan to sue.
So.. no.. not celebrating until that m.f. concedes and takes his goddamn lawyers with him back to his cesspool.
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Sun Nov-02-08 11:31 AM
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Once I see PA out of danger, I'll relax a little bit. When VA goes, I will start yelling.
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Sun Nov-02-08 11:32 AM
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85. Florida and/or North Carolina (VA or PA wont impress me as much cuz Mccain can still win) |
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Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 11:33 AM by Essene
If either of those are declared for Obama early... im gonna start laughing (maybe crying)
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Sun Nov-02-08 11:33 AM
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86. I don't think we'll "know" until the polls close in California |
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Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 11:33 AM by OmahaBlueDog
I think the networks will be hesitant to call Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, or North Carolina until a substantial % (possibly 75%) of the count makes it clear who has won.
Florida, Virgina, Ohio: If Obama has clearly won 2 of these 3, and not taken any unexpected losses, it's over.
Georgia, Indiana: If either of these go to Barack, we'll know our landslide is coming
Pennsylvania, New Hampshire: If either of these go to McSame, it will be a very long night
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Sun Nov-02-08 11:56 AM
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87. As a Californian I wouldn't mind having this election called early |
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Because it's a given that we're blue. I would love to see Obama win before the red Jesusland even got their votes counted. The West coast could just put the final icing on the cake.
Californians will go vote in large numbers anyway. We have prop 8 to defeat.
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