Is Bush off the wagon again ?

[kentuck]

He fell on his face yesterday. And there have been comments about his speech and walk lately. The rumors are back. Do you think there is anything to them? Is Bush hitting the bottle late at night? Or early in the morning? Or is it some medication that he takes that affects him in the morning and wears off as the day progresses? Whatever, it has been noticed by several people...

[rkc3]

1. Bush hit the floor yesterday? Any links? Please help.

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. Someone posted a thread last night

about being forced to watch a live video of W after a speech in Missouri yesterday. On the live feed, he feel flat on his face when he walked off the stage. It seems no reports have appeared in the media about this incident.

[rkc3]

51. I'll try to find the link - too precious to miss and not pass around

[fertilizeonarbusto]

2. I was wondering that myself.

I thought he looked stinking yesterday.

[jean]

3. he looks groggy in this pic from this morning's disaster aid signing mtg

Bush Visits Fla., Signs Disaster Aid Bill
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20040908/ap_on_el_pr/bush




President Bush (news - web sites), center, meets with bipartisan members of the House of Representatives and Senate, Wednesday, Sept. 8, 2004, in the Cabinet Room of the White House. Left to right are Speaker of the House of Representatives Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., Bush, Senate Majority Leader Sen. Bill First, R-Tenn., Senate Minority Leader Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

[merh]

15. Damn, he looks horrible (okay more horrible than usual)!

If that isn't the face of a hung over drunk, I don't know what is!

[imax2268]

26. that's a hangover look

if I ever saw one...when my father was a drinking, he would look like that in the morning

[RedEarth]

4. He's bound to be drinking...his face looks like a drinker

[DURHAM D]

5. Susan Estridge posted a comment somewhere that it was

a generally accepted rumor at the convention that he is drinking again. As she is now a paid Fox analyst I find this quite interesting.

[Stephanie]

19. Who is Susan Estridge and where can we find the comment?

We need to chase this rumor down NOW.

[DURHAM D]

39. Susan was the campaign manager for Dukakis in '88.

She is a pretty angry with Democrats because she has been called out on that bad campaign and her expertize has not been recognized - with good reason. I think she is on the faculty at Stanford.

I read the post just yesterday but cannot rememeber where - could have been BuzzFlash. She appears regularly on Fox as the token Democrate.

[Stephanie]

41. Thanks - I'm going to look for it

If people are saying this, there must be something to it...

[mopinko]

43. here is a link

it has been going around.
http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/election_2004_/2004/09/susan_estrich_goes_nuclear.php

can you say -unfit for command?

[Stephanie]

46. Thanks! Excerpts:

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http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/election_2004_/2004/09/susan_estrich_goes_nuclear.php

Well, you can't say Bush and Rove didn't ask for it.

Bush's return to drinking is apparently common knowledge in DC, though it seems unlikely anyone will talk on the record

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http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/opinion/9580059.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

The trouble with Democrats, traditionally, is that we're not mean enough. Too much is at stake to play by Dukakis' rules and lose again. That is the conclusion Democrats have reached. So watch out. Millions of dollars will be on the table. And there are plenty of choices for what to spend it on.

Will it be the three, or is it four or five, drunken driving arrests that Bush and Cheney, the two most powerful men in the world, managed to rack up?

After Vietnam, nothing is ancient history, and Cheney is still drinking. What their records suggest is not only a serious problem with alcoholism, which Bush but not Cheney has acknowledged, but also an even more serious problem of judgment.

What if Bush were to fall off the wagon? Then what? Has America really faced the fact that we have an alcoholic as our president?

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[PCIntern]

6. Some people say: "He's got that 'hair' again..."

it lays funny on his head when he's not ...well shall we say, up to par?

"Now watch this swing..."

[nostamj]

9. "now swatch this wing... urp! bartender!...

got any more pretzel-related-snack-activity supplies?"

[radfringe]

7. the only wagon he's been on

is a beer wagon

[Jack_Dawson]

8. He IS sweating a lot...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2321314&mesg_id=2321314

[Rose Siding]

10. When was this G8 picture taken?

Alcoholics Don't Drink Fake Beer

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

[benburch]

11. I have a source I cannot name...

who observed Bush drinking heavily last December.

[Stephanie]

12. You can surely tell us more without naming the source

Please do tell

[benburch]

14. Just a bit more.

She was somebody's date to a dinner party at a DC hotel at which Bush and several other administration figures were guests.

She observed Bush drinking scotch "neat" from a decanter of some sort, and reports that he drank most of the contents of the decanter and was quite shit-faced.

I cannot tell you more without making her identifiable.

[Stephanie]

18. OKAY - That is an amazing story, and many witnesses!!!

Let's get some investigative journalists on this story NOW.

[truthspeaker]

20. So get her permission to identify her

No law against talking about what you saw at a party.

[RedEarth]

21. You don't need to tell us her name, but what does she look like...

lol....just kidding.......btw, what is scotch "neat"

[Search Party]

22. You know how this would play if it came out

the feel sorry masses would pray for him and note his courage just as they did for rush.

it would be sickening.

[Stephanie]

24. neat = no ice

that's bartender talk

[RedEarth]

25. sounds like they should have just given him the bottle...

[yardwork]

30. Drinking liquor "neat" means undiluted with mixers or ice

It means drinking the scotch or whiskey or whatever straight up, not on the rocks, not mixed with soda water, not diluted in any way.

Since Scotch is 80 proof or higher, that means it is 40% alcohol. By comparison, a can of beer is 5% alcohol. Imagine drinking a pint of something that has eight times more alcohol in it than beer.

[mimitabby]

42. neat means straight, no ice or water or juice

[jmowreader]

48. Neat scotch is one step up...

from drinking it straight out of the bottle. At least they put it in a glass for him.

[RedEarth]

13. let us in on a few of the details

[speedoo]

16. He has clearly gained weight recently.

Some added calories from booze?

[Dogmudgeon]

17. Who knows?

It takes more than alcohol to produce a man like Bush.

--bkl

[Spiffarino]

23. It does take more than alcohol...

...to make a man like Bush. Actually, a twenty-minute dump would do the job.

On edit: In my mind I just heard about a hundred Freepers screaming at their monitors. How satisfying.

[Malva Zebrina]

27. He looks like crap

Here he is, according to the caption, saluting a veteran. He cannot even find the right place on his forehead



Here is another and he looks awful--he is sloppy and fat

[qanda]

40. That second picture is downright scary...

He looks like the drunk from my old neighborhood.

[jmowreader]

49. He's also developing a whiskey flush

When you drink heavily, the capillaries in your face tend to expand greatly. This turns your face a ruddy shade--think of W.C. Fields before he died.

There is no excuse for this whatsoever--what the hell are we paying a makeup artist for if she can't do any better than this? Or is she really a Democrat doing us a service?

[Stephanie]

28. So Bush is drinking, & Cheney's reached the expiration date on his bypass

Cheney's ill and Bush is drunk. WHO is responsible for the nuclear football? It N. Korea decides to launch something in the middle of the night, do we have a responsible person in the WH???

[yardwork]

31. Cheer up. Dennis Hastert is third in line for the presidency

although Tom deLay would probably make him give him his spot.

[Stephanie]

32. But who is making decisions if we are attacked in the middle of the night?

How far would Hastert have to travel to reach the football? Who's in charge of our national security? Richard Clarke is not in the WH. The P and the VP do not appear to be competent.

[Stephanie]

29. If Bush is drinking and the Washington establishment is covering for him..

From the stories above, it sounds like official DC, including the PRESS, is covering up for him, just as they covered up the story of his father's mistress. Who will come forward and report the truth?

[Nancy Waterman]

33. He looked to me like he was on something

at the GOP convention speech. Perhaps we need to get Carville and Begala and some others mentioning "people's concerns" about this on the TV. That would start some talk.

[Stephanie]

35. I wonder if he was on beta-blockers for the speech

That's a common drug to calm performance nerves. I thought he looked terrified.

But there are so many rumors swirling today, and his appearance is troubling. If commentators were to mention that some people have been talking about this, that there is a lot of talk on the internet about it, and that people are questioning whether there is a conspiracy to hide the President's drinking, well they would be absolutely correct.

[Nancy Waterman]

34. We should push this story

in time with the Kitty Kelly book. The history makes it all the more relevant now.

[Nancy Waterman]

36. Bush isn't running anymore due to his knee problems

He was addicted to the endorphins. Without them he got very tense and irritable. That could be why he started either drinking, or perhaps started with some tranquilizers and then moved back to boos. The two go hand in hand.

[jefferson_dem]

37. Just saw a clip of Chimpy and he sure don't look or sound good.

seriously, even worse than usual.

[speedoo]

38. Compare the way he looks now to pix from a couple of years ago.

I just saw some video from a couple of years ago. Huge difference. He is either drinking again or something else is wrong with him.

I saw something a few months back that claimed dumbya and his advisors were panicking, making mistakes that no one would have dreamed they could make. They seem to have covered that up pretty well if it was true. But I have to think they don't like all this pressure...

Iraq heading south

Economy questionable

AWOL charges

Graham charges re. Saudi/Al Quada coverup

World wide condemnation

Kitty Kelly charges

I know there's more, but even this list is overwhelming.

[wicket]

44. As someone who has an alcoholic parent

I'm going to have to say yes, Bush definitely is off the wagon.

[LibertyorDeath]

45. Lucid as ever

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Nomad667/obgyn.wmv :)

It's like some Twilight Zone episode where the sitting pResident
appears on National TV speaking Unintelligible shit.

While half the likely voters sing his praises only to be drowned out by the sound of the corporate media extolling his virtues & oh yes
his ability to "plain talk"

IT IS UNFUCKING REAL.

The man is deranged & the World waits.

[Carla in Ca]

50. I am going to send an e mail to the White House

telling them how concerned I am that he is drinking and that it is "all over the internet". Might scare them.

[DoYouEverWonder]

52. I think the American people have a right to know

what his real medical condition is at this point. There are serious concerns about his drinking and/or prescription drug problems. Is he still competent to carry out his duties has Commander in Chief? If not, he should be removed from power. The same goes for Cheney. They apparently are no longer capable of making rational decisions.

[Stephanie]

53. I wonder what effect Cheney's medical condition has on his thinking

Does it affect his moods? What medications is he on? Does a serious heart condition cloud one's thinking? What about that deluxe defibrillator? Any mental/emotional side effects there? The man's not well. Is he fit to serve?

[DoYouEverWonder]

54. Yes, long term usage of heart meds

can a very negative effect on a person's thought processes. Sometimes the effects are so severe that the patient can become a victim of serious mental illnesses.

I think Cheney is a classic example.