Why I find the Palin poll so profoundly disturbing

[jsmirman]

I get the rationale for embracing her run, but the fact that any group outside of "stupid people who self-identify as insane and in full support of evil" could support this woman is truly shocking and distressing to me.

That is, if this poll is, indeed, accurate.

But this woman is a whole new level of horror. Bush didn't know the names of foreign leaders. Palin DOESN'T KNOW THE NAMES OF THE COUNTRIES ON THE MAP.

Holy fucking shit.

Not only that, but while Bush Co has participated in a systematic, consequences be damned looting of the world, I believe this has all proceeded under the at least semi-benign ignorance of the Executive at the top.

The clothing story is no idle exercise in gossip.

It is truly frightening.

The instant move Palin and family made to getting their grubby, greedy hands on anything they could loot is horrifying. This Meg Stapleton is more willing to rosy cheek, shit eating grin in place say ANYTHING than virtually any of the press secretaries we've seen during the dark ages.

People *overwhelmingly* seem to forget the enormous challenges that immediately face Obama - and that would face any president taking over this troubled country right now.

This could be a very challenging four years.

The idea of a rationale president slogging through four challenging years with solutions well underway and in place, but perhaps not showing their clear benefit yet -

being opposed by a pure demagogue, with a willingness to say and do anything - and with the most awful possible consequences yet

WAKE THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE - THIS WOMAN NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED

Palin represents an evil that is different from what we've recently seen. There is no twisted, ignorant passion that she prudently will steer clear of - because there is no prudence to this woman who has nothing in her head but raw ambition.

Palin is Hitler-level evil. And as a Jew, I don't say this lightly. This is a woman WITHOUT ANY CONSCIENCE. Think about it. This is what distinguishes her - her complete lack of conscience. I honestly think she is a sociopath. And I truly think she lacks a conscience in a way that Bush - who unleashed so much evil and suffering on the world - did not. I do not mean to praise someone as disastrous and willfully destructive as Bush, but think about where Palin is even worse. And that's fucking scary.

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. When you're voting for President of the United States...

....the person in the next booth over is voting for team captain, or class president.

Tribalism's the problem. Lord knows what's the answer.

[NashVegas]

2. I Find Palin As Fascinating As Repelling

This woman was conceived, born, raised, educated, worked, and ultimately spat out by the machinery of Republican power-brokers working in tandem with the religious right.

There's a play or an opera there.

[ecstatic]

3. I agree. Her nasty side I can do without; her Britney Spears side is

the gift that keeps giving. I can't get enough of her "interviews."

[jsmirman]

9. And yet, she returned home to cheers. She should have returned to hurled tomatoes

and vitriol.

Think about whether any actual thoughts about whether she was actually *prepared* for the job she had been offered even crossed her mind. None did. Not a one. All she saw was more power that she could grab and a new, upgraded opportunity to keep looting.

These are the actions of someone with only two twin motives - ambition and greed.

[NashVegas]

14. Nonetheless

She put herself out there where people could - and did - go crazy taking shots at her. Did she have any clue of what she was getting herself into, in the lower 48? Did McCain's people not realize, and warn her?

[jsmirman]

20. I don't think it crossed her "mind"

She is totally fearless. There is nothing to fear when your reality is that closely constructed and the bomb shelter doors are that thick. She sees only the prize and cares nothing for the fact that she's getting exposed along the way. Truthfully, when viewed in light of the shiny trophy at the end of the tunnel, she doesn't give a shit about ANYTHING else.

[nichomachus]

26. You have to understand

The wacko Christians believe that if they are doing God's work, then people will oppose them and take shots at them. So attacking her only reinforces her belief she is doing God's work. That's what motivates Bush too. So, the more you oppose him, the better it is for him.

[Pharaoh]

31. Excactly...

And the best way you can call these pretenders out is to just state the true facts as Norm Chompsky or Barack Obama or Thom Hartman do and you shine light on their farce, to counter attack them as they want you to do on Fox, actually stregthens their hand.

So Barack is really gifted!!

[blondeatlast]

50. I don't think McCain knew what he was getting into, seriously.

He ran his prez campaign like he ran his latter-day Senate ones, but in those, he never had any compatition.

How else to explain his utter ignorance of YouTube and satire?

[NashVegas]

56. Ah Well

So many of us feel it was a sacrifice fly, anyway. Palin didn't quite make it to home, thank goodness.

[Kipepeo]

37. Only her supporters came out to greet her

There were certainly many anti-Palin protests by Alaskan women during the campaign.

I like these 2 videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dStP_ouJYHg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncdoa6ftsR8

[Blue_In_AK]

40. She has some crazed followers up here...

We call them "Palinistas." For most of us sane people in Alaska, the thrill is gone.

[countingbluecars]

4. I'm thinking that the poll

reflects a post-election party loyalty vote-other than the fundie base who really believe she is wonderful.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

7. It's almost like they forgot what happened in 1992

Except this time they had one of theirs actually ON the ticket.

[jsmirman]

10. I hope you're right - but it's hard for me to get past how challenging the next 4 yrs will be

and an idea that is even held only under such specific circumstances can swell into a bonfire if its oxygen isn't cut off.

[lelgt60]

5. I assume you mean destroyed politically...

In any event, the real danger is from the people who tried to backdoor her in as president. If McCain had won, I'm sure his life expectancy would have become very low.

[jsmirman]

13. I had the same fear

I hate to be such a conspiracist, but I feared he would be in danger like no other President. Palin, placed that close to such a brass ring, would stop at nothing. Like I said, she literally has no conscience.

[CrispyQ]

39. What's a little murder among fundies?

If McCain didn't kick on his own in the first year, I honestly believe they would have helped him along. Like one DUer said, "Be careful John. Especially walking down the stairs with Sarah behind you."

In spite of all of boosh's talk about a higher father, we all know that his first & only god is money. Palin is without a doubt, the most frightening person to ever come this close to the White House.

[Kookaburra]

6. KO made an observation that I found apropos:

Sarah Palin is their base -- she doesn't just pander to the base. The majority of the repub politicians know the buzzwords/codewords to use with the base and are quite adept at speaking their language and making them think that they are of them, even thought they are not. Palin, on the other hand, is one of the base. She actually believes that stuff they are dishing out. That's why the repubs embrace her and the politicians can't stand her.

[NashVegas]

18. Exactly

She is everything they wanted her to be, and when it turned out that 60% of the country thought their creation was rotten, they turned on her. Even Frankenstein took more responsibility for his monster.

[Hamlette]

8. what poll are you talking about?

the one where 91% of republicans like her and 64% of republicans want her to run for prez?

If so, remember, only about 30% of Americans identify themselves as republicans so it means something like the 27% Crazification Factor like her and fewer than that (of Americans) want her to run for prez.

What it shows is that the GOP is out of touch, not Americans as a whole.

Unless there is another poll I"m not aware of.

[Wolfies Revenge]

11. zactly and look at the freaks that showed up at her rallies

nuff said.

[Hamlette]

12. 27% voted for Alan Keyes in Illinois senate race, dubbed the Crazification Factor

and set at 27% because of that race.

That is the group supporting Palin.

[Marsala]

23. And that was in Illinois

Not exactly the most conservative state in the U.S.

[Rydz777]

21. Yes, what poll?

It would have helped me if I had known what we were talking about.

[jsmirman]

22. Sorry, this was posted around the time we were discussing a Rasmussen poll that gave Palin

a 91% favorability rating among Republicans and stated that 64% of them wanted her to run in 2012.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/07/poll-64-percent-of-republ_n_142284.html

[cooolandrew]

30. Yeah but if you put that to about 50 percent lean repulican 90 percent is exactly what they got this

year.

[Kahuna]

15. She is bush in a skirt. Period. Stop it before it grows and gets out of hand.

No good can come of letting this woman rehabilite herself.

[yellowcanine]

16. You might ask yourself why you are disturbed about a 2012 poll NOW.

If we have learned anything from this election cycle we should have learned that polls years and even months out are worth less than shit. Shit can at least be used as fertilizer.

[jsmirman]

17. Because as wonderful as we feel - the road ahead is hard and long and it is

going to have some precarious turns.

[yellowcanine]

19. Hmm. I think you missed my point. Has nothing to do with how we feel now. Has everything to do

with the fact that 2012 is 4 years away and it is less than worthless to speculate about how people are going to vote that far away.

[calimary]

55. It's not at all worthless to start poisoning the well in her case.

Make sure that door is closed AND LOCKED so she can't even get off the launching pad in two years. POISON THE WELL STARTING NOW.

It is NEVER too early to start. Especially with these people. The ground has to be sown with salt so NOTHING will grow. Starting NOW.

[dissemination]

36. Its too early to start all this hate. We just went through 2 years of it.

[Marsala]

24. Not all Rasmussen polls are accurate

Their tracking poll was the best of the lot, but the state polls showed a significant Republican lean, and polls on "Who do you trust on the economy more?" often showed McCain in the lead, which was flat out ridiculous.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. The Repubs just got trounced in the election--cheering Palin is their only way to say Fuck You.

It's all the poor trounced dears have.

[galaxy21]

27. Palin is the political version of Anna Nicole

Dumb, gets by on her looks, money grubbing, corrupt, crazy, desperate for attention and has a personal life perfectly suited to the front pages of the national enquirer.

[Cali_Democrat]

28. She could have had the nuclear codes

Imagine that. Someone who didn't know Africa was a continent. Someone who didn't know what countries made up North America.

Yikes!!! :scared:


And to think many repugs still support her.

Frightening.

[galaxy21]

32. After the Couric interview, I don't know how anyone in their right mind would consider leaving the

future of the free world in her hands.


Yeah, the Africa comment was the dumbest thing yet. But there were plenty of signs before that.

[jsmirman]

33. Yes, exactly. I refuse to dismiss them all as insane and irrational out of hand

I know some of them and like to think they retain some sort of grasp of reality. Some of them - gasp - just have different views than mine.

But this is unforgivable. It's inexplicable. It's nuts.

[cooolandrew]

29. Also to be totally clear this isn't sexism anyone who saw the excorcism clip has to have big doubts

I mean first question is why does she feel need protectig from witchcraft it's too spooky for words.

[PBS Poll-435]

34. This poll?

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[jsmirman]

35. Jack

ass

:rofl:

[Laelth]

38. She probably is evil, and it shows. That's what I love about her.

She's the best thing to happen to the Democratic party all year (other than winning the election), and Sarah Palin, herself, deserves a lot of credit for helping us win.

She's awesome. I very much hope she is the Republic candidate for President in 2012. Obama will destroy her, and she might destroy the Republic party in the process. What's not to like about Sarah Palin?

:shrug:

Go, Sarah, go!

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[sad sally]

42. The list of what not to like about Sarah isn't exactly small;

however, at the top of the list of her personal traits not to like, is her mothering. Saw her on the tv again today, carrying that precious little seven month old baby like a potato sack; not holding his little body next to hers, not looking into his little face, not acknowledging his existence, just squeezing his little middle, leaving his little head bobbing. Pathetic...that's all I can say is pathetic.

[jsmirman]

43. That's precisely what I meant by "the rationale of embracing her run"

however, if you read the rest of my post, I'm suggesting you're playing a very high stakes game here.

Someone as amoral and without any rules as Palin + the challenges that lie ahead that will make the next four years a less than smooth progression = terrifying.

I'm not sure I'm willing to take my chances when the low percentage result comes with such infinite damages.

[Laelth]

45. I read your post, and yes, I am one of the people to whom your post is addressed.

I freely admit that a Palin administration would be awful, but do you really think she has more than an infinitesimal chance of actually winning? I don't.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[jsmirman]

47. Just remember that even a gambler might assess this a bad bet

I see your gamble - and yet, put it this way - if the bet is I get $20,000 if for no three days in a row in august it is 33 degrees on the nose each day, but if I lose, someone gets to put a bullet in my head, do I like that bet? Dangerous pool.

[Laelth]

51. I hear you, and that makes sense.

But consider, if you will, that with a stronger candidate the Republics might win, and there's no guarantee that the stronger candidate won't be as bad as or worse than Palin.

Thanks for the response.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[jsmirman]

52. Yeah, I get you, too, I just can't shake this feeling when I look at her of

"so, is this how this sort of shit gets started???"

As in, the kind of evil that history looks back at and says how the hell didn't everyone see it coming, and maybe we should have, but it wasn't exactly clear, but maybe the warning bells that go off, like the ones that go off for me with Palin... maybe those are the warning bells people must not fail to listen to...

I couldn't agree more that she was a Godsend and a huge asset this election season, and there's a real chance that she represents more disaster for them and a stronger coalition for us... if Obama was taking over a stable situation, I think I'd be ok with her, I just fear that this is the climate where scary people can flourish.

[TxBlue]

41. Palin needs to go down and God willing she will

Read somewhere that Palin is too rogue for Repub PTB and that's why they've turned on her.

She's the scariest anti-thesis of P.E. Obama. How refreshing to listen to Obama speak - intelligent, sentient person.
Palin is like nails on chalkboard.

[MJJP21]

44. It couldn't be any more simpler

"Palin is Hitler-level evil. And as a Jew, I don't say this lightly. This is a woman WITHOUT ANY CONSCIENCE. Think about it. This is what distinguishes her - her complete lack of conscience. I honestly think she is a sociopath. And I truly think she lacks a conscience in a way that Bush - who unleashed so much evil and suffering on the world - did not. I do not mean to praise someone as disastrous and willfully destructive as Bush, but think about where Palin is even worse. And that's fucking scary."
=========
It can't get any plainer than this. He nailed it. She really needs to be destroyed and never forget. She is the snake whose head has not been killed. Never forget the potential the she poses for the future.

[Laelth]

46. Assuming for the moment that the Democratic leadership agreed with you and the OP.

What would you propose to do? Even assuming it would be wise to destroy her politically, how would you go about it?

:shrug:

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[jsmirman]

53. Just read this - interesting that this poster is unsettled in the same way I am by her

how to destroy her?

mostly for now - stand aside and give FULL media run to every last detail of her insufficiency, don't make the calls for "let's just move on," show the media we're still interested in these stories, Dem media machers give the Repubs who want to destroy her a constantly open platform... that sort of thing.

Let the truth be told as to why this woman isn't fit to hold any national office, no less the Presidency. The fact that she pushes ahead giddily thinking the Presidency is a reasonable objective and isn't disturbed in the slightest by the fact that she's so unfit for the post - this is the horror of Sarah Palin.

[seaker]

48. the good thing about her dry run

She had national exposure and the nation exposed her

[riderinthestorm]

49. At 27% (+/-) of the Rethugs, Sarah Palin is the MOST popular Rethug prospect at the moment

No two ways about it, she scares the shit out of me too. She's amoral and ruthless and she will do whatever it takes to manipulate and maneuver HER 27% support so it grows into the next GOP nomination.

27% is a LOT of Americans who love her. LOVE her. In the way we love Obama.

She needs to be eliminated and I sincerely hope the RNC is working very, very hard on something else other than her utter lack of geography skills to take her out. Not knowing that Africa is a continent is par for the average Palinista - they don't care about her foreign policy expertise. The only thing that matters to them is her devotion to the lawd.

She has 4 years to polish up her resume - and she will. Mark my words. With every Faux appearance she will be primped, prepped and molded before our very eyes unless the RNC can take her out now.

[Lumpsum]

54. Palin is a complete retard.

Why do you think so much of her base identifies with her?