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Wed Jan-07-04 06:50 PM
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Goodness gracious. I just took a look around here. |
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I think I am going to come back when the adults are back. Can you say toxicity?
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:51 PM
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1. Dean Supporters have been on a roll today |
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Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 06:53 PM by Jack_Dawson
Posting lots of hateful messages and long-discounted accusations and other right-wing drivel about General Clark. Coincidentally enough, these attacks come on the heels of several polls that seem to indicate Clark gaining serious ground on Dean.
Hopefully tomorrow is a better vibe.
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:56 PM
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alot of Dean does X, Dean is Y threads out there too.
But, there's alot of angry back-and-forth between camps today.
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:58 PM
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6. Rose-colored glasses much? |
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Clark supporters have been flooding GDprimary since its inception. But THAT's ok. :eyes:
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:51 PM
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have been in attack mode ever since their greatest THREAT, Wesley Clark, entered the race. Things were great around here until THEN. Now, who should we attribute THAT to. A gloating Dean poll, daily. Bash Clark threads...3, 4, 5 or more a DAY...I don't think this atmosphere can be laid at the feet of the Clark supporters. Sorry. :eyes:
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Wed Jan-07-04 08:27 PM
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35. If Clark keeps on rising in the polls |
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he is going to get batted and bruised MORE than Dean because of his flip flopping inconsistincies by the media and the repugs. What they doled out when Clark entered was nothing that can be used againist him
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:42 PM
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29. gee, perhaps you'd like to edit that a bit? (eom) |
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:06 PM
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Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 07:07 PM by stinkeefresh
I just went over every new thread created in the last hour and a half and couldn't find a single anti-Clark thread. I did find the following anti-Dean threads, all posted in the last hour and a half...
Dean or Clark: Blogosphere Shaken & Stirred
Dean is now attacking Ted Kennedy
If Dean wins Iowa and New Hampshire, it's over.
Fear now being displayed by Dean and his supporters.
was Deans mother really one of Barbara Bush*s bridesmaids?
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:12 PM
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21. I'm not convinced that it's really "Dean" and/or "Clark" supporters |
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I mean, yes, venomous stuff is posted by people with the label of one candidate or another on his/her sleeve, which regrettably attracts similarly venomous responses, but... There are also a few others that are not (ostensibly) wearing a specific candidate's colors.
And as a result, I'm noticing a growing irritability in my own responses, something that irritates me more. After all, I may very well misread intentions and meter out unfounded dosages of, well, venom.
The idea of instigators on the prowl has been floated in another topic, today, and I think that's correct, at least partially.
Now, speculation without traction can take one swiftly into tinfoil beanie land, so... Absent clairvoyant skills, I'll try and ignore what I consider "patent" baiting, focusing on more "mature" stuff.
And jump in when I see supporters of another candidate being unfairly treated, as well.
Maybe an idea? Either way, I'll try that for a few days - see how that goes.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:40 PM
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I've had that opinion since the worst attacks began against Dean and Clark. I believe there are a several posters who post very frequently and whose dislike (perhaps an understatement) of either candidate outweighs their support of any other candidate. Although now there certainly do seem to be some cases where support of one candidate has turned into a willingness to believe anything negative about other candidates.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:44 PM
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I think every campaign here is plagued by Freepers pretending to be supporters of Candidate X or Candidate Y. There--- I said it, and I'm glad.
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Wed Jan-07-04 11:14 PM
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-- I think you are exactly right. I think it's a shame that they'd do it, but that's the tone Karl Rove sets at the top and maybe it just trickles down to the rank and file.
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Wed Jan-07-04 08:19 PM
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Since you state "Dean supporters" instead of "a few Dean supporters," I'd appreciate it if you would back that statement up. Here's your challenge, I'm a Dean supporter. Find any thread in which I have started or participated in "hateful messages."
I'll wait.
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:54 PM
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2. I know, many attack threads |
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:55 PM
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3. i dont see but one or two |
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ignore is a beautiful thing
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:08 PM
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:57 PM
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5. Luckily Clark supporters are mostly above the fray |
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We support our candidate. We don't tear others down.
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:59 PM
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Thanks for saying that...funniest post all day!
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:01 PM
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10. So are MOST Dean supporters. |
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Unfortunately, both camps have a liberal sprinkling of complete ass hats.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:04 PM
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Every campaign has them and they serve no useful purpose except to waste perfectly good bandwidth (and oxygen)
And a real toast :toast: to people like you, Padraig, who are committed to winning, not a godlike adoration for any one candidate...
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:06 PM
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I'm committed to winning against *, if possible with Dr. Dean, but if not, then with whomever my party chooses to lead it!
:toast:
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:05 PM
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:02 PM
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You haven't been reading many posts obviously. Maybe you could try to reign in your pals.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:11 PM
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20. I hate to say this, but it may be because it's tactically smart to be nice |
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I would love it to be that we're just following Clark's lead and comporting ourselves with dignity because it's the right thing to do. But I doubt the reality is that simple or singular. It makes sense in overall tactics of electioneering for Clark to nab the high ground while the tried & true career pols go negative on each other. Clark lacks a base of electoral suppport to fall to in case he gets defined as an attacker (this is what's killing Lieberman--he attacks, but has no Greek chorus to sing his praises or surrogates to do the heavy lifting for negative assaults on his opponents).
So kudos to the General for being mostly above the fray. But let's not pretend he's any better or more ethical than anyone else (more qualified I think so, more electible I know so, but "better than" is just not a sensible judgment). His high road happens to coincide with his own elightened self interest. When the cards suggest it's time to attack, he damn well better attack. We need a candidate with Clark's class and demeanor, but we also need a guy with Dean's sand.
I have concerns with Dean's electability, but I think he could be an incredible asset in the VP slot or some other high profile position in the fall campaign, even if he's not nominated. Though I respect him he doesn't thrill me; but the movement that loves him just blows me away some times.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:38 PM
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26. Excellent post, Bucky. |
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Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 07:39 PM by FubarFly
I disagree with your assessments about Dean's electability, but I bet you knew that already. ;-)
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:42 PM
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Wed Jan-07-04 08:29 PM
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Oh please tell me more Christmas stories
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Wed Jan-07-04 11:19 PM
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you are kidding right? holy crap!
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Wed Jan-07-04 06:58 PM
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7. What u talkin about Willis? n/t |
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:01 PM
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11. Its only gonna get worse until Clark is either nominated |
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or is run from the race by the voters-one or the other. Might as well get used to it, we appear to be emerging as the alternative to Dean and Dean's supporters are threatened. If the situation was reversed, I would be threatened. When you think you have it wrapped up before the 1st delegate is selected you're apt to be easily threatened. You don't want to lose your place. As I said, I would feel the same way in their place.
I think it's gonna be a rocking January-March.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:04 PM
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14. Stop speaking for everyone |
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like you know what the hell you are talking about. More than not, people here like multiple candidates and are not fanatical.
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Wed Jan-07-04 08:30 PM
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38. I like multiple candidates and am not fanatical... |
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Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 08:36 PM by Rowdyboy
And I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. However, I'm sure you could not possibly have misunderstood, so I apologize-I guess.
And you have a real, nice day.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:09 PM
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19. A thread about the toxicity.. |
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is a launching pad for more toxicity.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:16 PM
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:29 PM
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23. You can all suck my dog's tail |
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I'm voting for Wesley Dean, I mean Howard Clark, dammit.
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:34 PM
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25. Richard Brush Kerry is the only candidate who can save our party! |
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Wed Jan-07-04 07:58 PM
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33. Everytime I come here |
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I end up irritated so I guess I'll go back to the Lounge, oh well. :shrug: :-)
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