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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:52 PM
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Time cover story: The New Liberal Order (Obama as FDR) - very interesting article
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 03:05 PM by Pirate Smile
The New Liberal Order
By Peter Beinart

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The distance between those two Grant Park scenes says a lot about how American liberalism fell, and why in the Obama era it could become — once again — America's ruling creed. The coalition that carried Obama to victory is every bit as sturdy as America's last two dominant political coalitions: the ones that elected Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. And the Obama majority is sturdy for one overriding reason: liberalism, which average Americans once associated with upheaval, now promises stability instead.

The Search for Order
In America, political majorities live or die at the intersection of two public yearnings: for freedom and for order. A century ago, in the Progressive Era, modern American liberalism was born, in historian Robert Wiebe's words, as a "search for order." America's giant industrial monopolies, the progressives believed, were turning capitalism into a jungle, a wild and lawless place where only the strong and savage survived. By the time Roosevelt took office during the Great Depression, the entire ecosystem appeared to be in a death spiral, with Americans crying out for government to take control. F.D.R. did — juicing the economy with unprecedented amounts of government cash, creating new protections for the unemployed and the elderly, and imposing rules for how industry was to behave. Conservatives wailed that economic freedom was under assault, but most ordinary Americans thanked God that Washington was securing their bank deposits, helping labor unions boost their wages, giving them a pension when they retired and pumping money into the economy to make sure it never fell into depression again. They didn't feel unfree; they felt secure. For three and a half decades, from the mid-1930s through the '60s, government imposed order on the market. The jungle of American capitalism became a well-tended garden, a safe and pleasant place for ordinary folks to stroll. Americans responded by voting for F.D.R.-style liberalism — which even most Republican politicians came to accept — in election after election. (Read a TIME cover story on F.D.R.)

By the beginning of the 1960s, though, liberalism was becoming a victim of its own success. The post-World War II economic boom flooded America's colleges with the children of a rising middle class, and it was those children, who had never experienced life on an economic knife-edge, who began to question the status quo, the tidy, orderly society F.D.R. had built. For blacks in the South, they noted, order meant racial apartheid. For many women, it meant confinement to the home. For everyone, it meant stifling conformity, a society suffocated by rules about how people should dress, pray, imbibe and love. In 1962, Students for a Democratic Society spoke for what would become a new, baby-boom generation "bred in at least modest comfort," which wanted less order and more freedom. And it was this movement for racial, sexual and cultural liberation that bled into the movement against Vietnam and assembled in August 1968 in Grant Park.
Traditional liberalism died there because Americans — who had once associated it with order — came to associate it with disorder instead. For a vast swath of the white working class, racial freedom came to mean riots and crime; sexual freedom came to mean divorce; and cultural freedom came to mean disrespect for family, church and flag. Richard Nixon and later Reagan won the presidency by promising a new order: not economic but cultural, not the taming of the market but the taming of the street.


The Receding Right
Flash forward to the evening of Nov. 4, and you can see why liberalism has sprung back to life. Ideologically, the crowds who assembled to hear Obama on election night were linear descendants of those egg throwers four decades before. They too believe in racial equality, gay rights, feminism, civil liberties and people's right to follow their own star. But 40 years later, those ideas no longer seem disorderly. Crime is down and riots nonexistent; feminism is so mainstream that even Sarah Palin embraces the term; Chicago mayor Richard Daley, son of the man who told police to bash heads, marches in gay-rights parades. Culturally, liberalism isn't that scary anymore. Younger Americans — who voted overwhelmingly for Obama — largely embrace the legacy of the '60s, and yet they constitute one of the most obedient, least rebellious generations in memory. The culture war is ending because cultural freedom and cultural order — the two forces that faced off in Chicago in 1968 — have turned out to be reconcilable after all.

The disorder that panics Americans now is not cultural but economic.
If liberalism collapsed in the 1960s because its bid for cultural freedom became associated with cultural disorder, conservatism has collapsed today because its bid for economic freedom has become associated with economic disorder. When Reagan took power in 1981, he vowed to restore the economic liberty that a half-century of F.D.R.-style government intrusion had stifled. American capitalism had become so thoroughly domesticated, he argued, that it lost its capacity for dynamic growth. For a time, a majority of Americans agreed. Taxes and regulations were cut and cut again, and for the most part, the economic pie grew. In the 1980s and '90s, the garden of American capitalism became a pretty energetic place. But it became a scarier place too. In the newly deregulated American economy, fewer people had job security or fixed-benefit pensions or reliable health care. Some got rich, but a lot went bankrupt, mostly because of health-care costs. As Yale University political scientist Jacob Hacker has noted, Americans today experience far-more-violent swings in household income than did their parents a generation ago. (See pictures of the 1958 recession.)

Starting in the 1990s, average Americans began deciding that the conservative economic agenda was a bit like the liberal cultural agenda of the 1960s: less liberating than frightening. When the Gingrich Republicans tried to slash Medicare, the public turned on them en masse. A decade later, when George W. Bush tried to partially privatize Social Security, Americans rebelled once again. In 2005 a Pew Research Center survey identified a new group of voters that it called "pro-government conservatives." They were culturally conservative and hawkish on foreign policy, and they overwhelmingly supported Bush in 2004. But by large majorities, they endorsed government regulation and government spending. They didn't want to unleash the free market; they wanted to rein it in.
Those voters were a time bomb in the Republican coalition, which detonated on Nov. 4. John McCain's promises to cut taxes, cut spending and get government out of the way left them cold. Among the almost half of voters who said they were "very worried" that the economic crisis would hurt their family, Obama beat McCain by 26 points. (See pictures of Obama's campaign.)
The public mood on economics today is a lot like the public mood on culture 40 years ago: Americans want government to impose law and order — to keep their 401(k)s from going down, to keep their health-care premiums from going up, to keep their jobs from going overseas — and they don't much care whose heads Washington has to bash to do it.

Seizing the Moment
That is both Obama's great challenge and his great opportunity. If he can do what F.D.R. did — make American capitalism stabler and less savage — he will establish a Democratic majority that dominates U.S. politics for a generation. And despite the daunting problems he inherits, he's got an excellent chance. For one thing, taking aggressive action to stimulate the economy, regulate the financial industry and shore up the American welfare state won't divide his political coalition; it will divide the other side.
On domestic economics, Democrats up and down the class ladder mostly agree. Even among Democratic Party economists, the divide that existed during the Clinton years between deficit hawks like Robert Rubin and free spenders like Robert Reich has largely evaporated, as everyone has embraced a bigger government role. Today it's Republicans who — though more unified on cultural issues — are split badly between upscale business types who want government out of the way and pro-government conservatives who want Washington's help. If Obama moves forcefully to restore economic order, the Wall Street Journal will squawk about creeping socialism, as it did in F.D.R.'s day, but many downscale Republicans will cheer. It's these working-class Reagan Democrats who could become tomorrow's Obama Republicans — a key component of a new liberal majority — if he alleviates their economic fears. See pictures of former Presidents Clinton and Bush.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1858771,00.html



I wish I could copy the cover art of Obama as FDR but I can't find any place that will let me. It is shown at the link below:
http://thepage.time.com/2008/11/13/his-time/
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:54 PM
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1. Here's the cover:
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 02:56 PM by Jackeens_for_Obama
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:01 PM
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5. Thanks.
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gypsylud Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:54 PM
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2. That cover is FAR F'IN OUT!
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:57 PM
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3. Here's the cover:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 02:58 PM
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4. Thanks!
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 03:00 PM by Pirate Smile
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:01 PM
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6. I love it! As an FDR fan, I can only hope he lives up to him.
:thumbsup:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:56 PM
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19. That's an ambitious goal I'm sure he wants to meet.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:08 PM
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9. FDR statues now NEVER have the cigarette!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:37 PM
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16. True, and he was a heavy smoker...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:04 PM
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7. But Obama doesn't really have all that progressive a track record.
He's no Russ Feingold, etc.

People project onto him what they want to see.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:06 PM
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8. You are consistent - always negative toward Obama.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:08 PM
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10. Not at all, I've praised him consistently in his actions so far. Read more...
of my comments.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:12 PM
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12. I guess I've just ran across a string of negative ones -"not that there's anything wrong with that".
Peace.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:13 PM
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14. Keep up the Good fight
FDR: Yeah, what Mookie says!
ER: Isn't it all just grand?

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:10 PM
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11. Neither did FDR, he campaigned on reducing the deficit
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:12 PM
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13. That's exactly right. And against US participation in the World Court.
Obama is not ideological. In this, he's like Nixon, Kennedy, FDR, and Clinton.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:36 PM
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26. That's why I like him.
Ideologues rarely make good presidents.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:49 PM
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35. I completely agree, but I still wish FDR'd come out in favor of the anti-lynching bill.
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 09:50 PM by MookieWilson
I think that was pretty cowardly, actually.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:39 PM
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17. Neither did Roosevelt.
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 03:40 PM by Drunken Irishman
In fact, Roosevelt ran on the idea of cutting government spending and cutting the deficit. It was Roosevelt who painted Hoover as a liberal big-spender.

And I see Hippo_Tron beat me to it. :D
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 04:52 PM
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18. Not to worry, I've read dozens of FDR bios and have a wall of New Deal lit.
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 04:53 PM by MookieWilson
And I wrote some entries for the Eleanor Roosevelt Encyclopedia.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:32 PM
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21. Any recommendations?
I'm trying to build up my twentiethcenturyamericanhistory-fu, gradually moving back from the present.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:48 PM
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32. I think Jean Edward Smith's recent bio of FDR is the best one volume bio of him...
since Tugwell's "The Democratic Roosevelt" written in the late 50s. I'm really partial to Tugwell's book, despite his not having access to many things becuase of the time it was written.

I think Meacham's book Franklin and Winston also gives a good picture of FDR.

Eleanor and Franklin is mostly about Eleanor and leaves you emotionally exhausted. It's too much in one book. Ward's First Class Temperament is good about FDR's pre-White House years.

If it's a tighter focus on politics you want, MacPherson's "The Three Roosevelts" is a good read about TR, FDR and ER.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:40 PM
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22. Neither did Roosevelt until he had to grow into the circumstances he was dealt.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 03:32 PM
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15. kick
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:18 PM
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20. FDR tried a wide range of things to get the economy moving
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 05:18 PM by FKA MNChimpH8R
and stuck with the strategies that worked. He was a consummate progressive-minded but pragmatic problem solver, and I see Obama as very much in the same mold. As Deng Xiaoping observed, "It does not matter whether a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice."
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:48 PM
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34. I agree. I'd put Nixon, JFK and Clinton in that category also. nt
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:53 PM
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23. Peter B, the writer is almost completely Full of SHIT...
Obviously a Right Winger putting his curious Spin on History.. I may have to sit down and write on this, call this clown Out..

Like the History Channel now, whenever they write of the Sixties it's Always BAD, Bad Hippies, Bad!! Chaos! Disorder!

Bullshit.

He's based this on a personal supposition that the Capitalists and Right Wing Brought the Order in the first place.. Utter nonsense.

While he is correct in some fashion that they'd created a Jungle, that the populace called for a garden, and he got names and dates correct, this is still Propaganda, pure and simple.. The constant overlay the the Conservos always just needed to make "adjustments" Horseshit..

Every single step forward for humanity has been invoked by Liberals, period.

This guy should be put in stocks in the public square so I can feed him garbage and put funny hats on him :)

Still suckering people, eh giant Media?
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:45 PM
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28. The Sellouts wrote the history of the 60s.

It's always been bullshit... from when it was current news until now.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:22 PM
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30. Right Arm Brother
I think you had to be there :)
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:03 PM
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31. Perception vs Reality
I think the author of the article is talking about the general perception people had, across America, and I'd venture to say he's correct. It is not an accurate perception but it's the one that motivated thoughts and actions.

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:04 PM
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37. Media Creates Perception
it's called Propaganda, and it's precisely what he's doing right here..
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:16 PM
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24. FDR signed one really really really shitty bill into law
the Marihuana tax act. On August 2 1937 he made my favorite plant illegal. Despite all his great economic policies I still say Lincoln is my favorite president because of that damn law FDR signed making cannabis effectively illegal.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:28 PM
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25. I can't even FIND Time magazine or Newsweek!! Always sold out
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:56 PM
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29. This edition comes out tomorrow (Friday).
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:31 PM
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36. Thanks, Pirate Smile! I'll look for it
:hi:
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 06:42 PM
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27. i wish the media would stop throwin' around the word liberal so... liberally ;) n/t
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 06:43 PM by iamthebandfanman
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