I'm glad our opinions and hand-wringing on DU don't matter

[PretzelWarrior]

A lot of you are being idiots. I think much of it is with good intention. But some just seem like sad people looking for something to whine about. THE PRESIDENT-ELECT HAS NOT SIGNED IN ONE LAW, ENACTED ONE EXECUTIVE ORDER, APPOINTED ONE CABINET MEMBER and you're already disillusioned. Well, BOO-fucking-HOO!

THis is the big leagues. You don't take over the LARGEST ECONOMY and MILITARY and arguably one of the best civil service sectors without help from a lot of people who know the halls of power and what to consider in plans to move forward.

Some of you people need to grow up in your hatred of all things "past".

[fed_up_mother]

1. thank you. K&R

[ben_meyers]

2. What do you mean don't matter?

This stuff go right into Obamas daily briefing.

[PretzelWarrior]

6. lol. yup. right after he reads all of my personal letters to him

[Deep13]

8. Obama's daily briefing...

Rom Emanuel was giving Obama his daily briefing.
"Three Brazillian soldiers were killed in Afghanistan," he said.
"That's not good," Obama responded, "Send my official condolences to the Brazillian embassy."

Yeah, it just isn't the same.

[PretzelWarrior]

13. LOLOLOL.

[crispini]

LOL. Hehehehehehhe. That's awesome. :D

[sufrommich]

63. hahaha! nt

[alwysdrunk]

47. LOL. On a serious note though, someone does read this stuff

What do you think is the rank of the highest ranking person who reads DU to get a feel for the public opinion? Just pollster types?

[ben_meyers]

54. White House janitor.

[PretzelWarrior]

58. college interns

[FrenchieCat]

3. After 8 years of Bitching for all of the right reasons....

it will take major adjustments for many of us to not do anything but, I fear.

[Deep13]

4. I don't think he's made a single mis-step.

And I'm someone who wanted Hillary the way Ralphie wanted a Red-Rider BB gun.

[PretzelWarrior]

11. God, I love that movie. I had a teacher in HS newspaper class

that used to quote that left and right (back in 1986). So I was laughing when I saw it start to go into heavey rotation around Christmas on TBS or other channels in the past few years.

I'm like:" FUCK! That means I'm old now. They're playing it as a classic and I remember when it first came out."

SANTA: "You'll shoot your eye out. HO!! HO!! HO!!!!!!"

[sufrommich]

64. lol. You'll shoot your eye out,kid. nt

[bluestateguy]

5. Thank you

DU has a lot of crybabies. They are in the minority here, but they are very vocal. That's what crybabies do.

[kestrel91316]

15. I've been noticing the bitching and moaning and thought it was just me

being insensitive (that's sort of my strong suit, lol). Glad to hear I'm not the problem for once.

[mtnsnake]

7. Amen

K&R

[ProSense]

9. "A lot of you are being idiots." If it doesn't matter, why these grandstanding posts?

Sometimes I wish people would shut up about certain things, but I keep it to myself because what the hell good is silence on a discussion board?

The media reports about the SoS appointment are multiplying, and there is still no real confirmation.

People can and will continue to discuss these, and voice their criticisms.

The reports are now being echoed in foreign papers. I even saw a propaganda piece.

[PretzelWarrior]

16. I don't attack people for speculating

I personally don't think Hillary is a bad choice for Secretary of State. She is in a reliably safe Dem state. She isn't one with TONS of seniority like John Kerry or Charles Schumer so my normal problems with suggesting senators doesn't apply here.


My problem is with all these "righteous" people on DU who are proclaiming all these transition team appointments mean Obama has gone skull and bones on us and is joining a cabal of DLC, RINO, and Satan worshipers to undermine our country and take our babies. Same goes for their problems with him relaxing the policy of "NO LOBBYISTS WHATSOEVER WILL WORK FOR MY WHITE HOUSE". It seems reasonable that there are a lot of great Democratic veterans with very applicable skills who couldn't work in the executive for the past 8 years and turned to lobbying. It would be ridiculous for him to say no...you can't work for me. Instead, he's saying they have to give up their lobbying while they work for him.

All very above board and reasonable, pragmatic governing decisions.

[jillan]

10. Until Obama calls one of us and asks for our opinions

people should trust Obama to do what's right for him.

[moodforaday]

26. You mean like

the Repugs who trusted Bush and Cheney's judgment to the last drop of blood, sweat and tears? Like those Repugs who wouldn't listen to reason from anyone, even from their own, because their leader had spoken? Like the Repugs who rejoiced in the streamroling over everything that wasn't Republican?

Do you even realize what you are saying?

[jillan]

40. Obama is not even in office yet.

Can we just give him a chance? I'm still hoping that he will be an amazing President.

If not - then we can become activists.

Let's first see what his plans are for January 21st before we jump all over his decisions.

[PretzelWarrior]

41. no shit. this person is so used to abuse of power

they forgot what Clinton was able to get done without partisan fear. Actually, what he was able to get done DESPITE partisan fear from the other side.

I believe Obama has the stuff to be a much better president than Clinton.

[moodforaday]

Like NAFTA, like repeal of Glass-Steagall...

But never mind about Clinton. I worry about certain nominees being floated. People like Larry Summers, "abuse of power" is his middle name. And to even consider the idea of Bob Gates staying on? The guy who, among his many achievements, apparently counts the prolonging of the misery of the hostages at the US Embassy in Iran just to help oust Carter?

[PretzelWarrior]

53. you're so full of yourself. Read about Glass-Steagall circa 1998 1999

you will find that almost the entire intent of that law had been undermined by various loopholes exploited by financial service companies and their attornies.

You are clearly one my original post was meant for. Just take a giant zanax and stop sweating problems that don't even exist yet.

[moodforaday]

43. His chance is right now

and certain nominations may mean blowing the chance - or what we thought was his chance.

But never mind. I'm simply surprised to see so much authoritarian attitudes among DU-ers, of which this thread bears numerous examples.

[PretzelWarrior]

44. that's just the point. you worry WAY the F-- too much

who has he nominated for his cabinet? WHo? Name one person. Transition teams don't mean sh!t. They're gone after January/February at the latest.

[jillan]

49. But he won't. Bsh is the president until January 20th and Obama wants

no part of it. He is trying to keep his hands clean, and make a fresh start on January 20th.
I think he is playing it smart.

I'm assuming that you are upset about Hillary - or some other nomination.
But, the truth of the matter is that she will be working for him. Not the other way around.

[Danger Mouse]

57. Oh bull fucking shit.

:eyes:

[moodforaday]

48. "...what's right FOR HIM"?

Is that a Freudian slip?

[jillan]

50. Right for his administration. And his goals on how he is going to try to bring our country back.

[knowbody0]

12. for some it's hard to shift gears

it's hard to believe the good guys won, and the angst has nowhere to go. in a perfect world the bad guys would be in prison - now they walk among us.

[PretzelWarrior]

18. I agree with you about the injustice thus far. Cheney at the very least

should spend some time in the gulag.

[moodforaday]

30. No, we know who won.

Some are just wondering if they *are* the good guys they hoped they were.

Forget Hillary. Do you think Larry "women's brains are inferior / Africa is underpolluted" Sanders is a good choice for the Treasury? Do you think a shill for Monsanto is a good pick for USDA?

But it's true we can all shut up now, since this is the way democracy works more or less everywhere in the world: once the elections are over, you don't really have a voice.

[crispini]

14. Actually, they are probably giving the transition team a lot of good reading.

This, after all, is a great place to "take the pulse" of the blogosphere... and I'm sure that the oh-so-internet-savvy admin members are at least checking out our collective reactions to see what's what. :D It may, or may not, make a difference, of course.

[PretzelWarrior]

20. I want them fired if DU is a major input to their decision making

[crispini]

25. Oh, I don't think it's a major input

but I think it's a useful way to "take the temperature" of the grassroots and I'm sure they use it.

[FSogol]

17. I'm glad someone finally said it. K&R. n/t

[Turbineguy]

19. I reserve the right

to make stupid, knee jerk responses to any post.

OTHERWISE, TOMBSTONE ME RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!













Just kidding with that last bit.

[PretzelWarrior]

21. it that was the criteria, I would have been TS'd long ago

fortunately, even when I've gone a bit over the line the moderators and admins have put up with me.

[progressoid]

22. WHAT???? My posts don't affect policy decisions???

NO

WAY!

[Kokonoe]

23. Unlike the currently absent minded president.

President Obama will be a great leader, no matter who gives the bad advice.
Good leaders will resolve Liebermanproblem.

[PretzelWarrior]

24. I think Obama has said he'll let Senate handle it.....

but I think some back room talks between him and leadership stated something entirely different.

I agree. Trust Obama on this and see where he's headed.

[Skwmom]

27. Hatred? More like fear that this country will never get back on track if

the same people who put us in the ditch are put back into the halls of power.

[PretzelWarrior]

31. they won't be. remember who's at the top of the pyramid

Obama can put skilled people into positions of skill, but he can also tell them, "I put you into this job, and I can take you out."

[progressivebydesign]

28. Dupe post.. move along, nothing to see. ;) n/t

[progressivebydesign]

29. Too many people on DU are like kids that cry cuz they didn't like the ribbon on their new pony!!!

There are just not enough waaaaahhhhbulances to carry all of the whining loser republicans AND the whining progressives to the HOPEspital this week.

[PretzelWarrior]

35. HOPEspital. pretty good. I thought HOPEspital was

the spit coming out of detractors mouths when they say shit like "Hope is not a message." "You can't raise people's hopes. This is Murrika."

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[JuniperLea]

33. Yeah, that crap is every bit as sorry...

As the RW preemptive talking point: This is Obama's Depression. What is happening in the world economy right now is a direct response to Obama being elected POTUS.

All of it is hogwash, balderdash, bovine excrement...

It took BushCo nearly eight years to flush this economy and shred our Constitution. Anyone who thinks Obama can do anything about this sorry situation we're in before he takes office is a lunatic... as is anyone who thinks cabinet members come pre-packaged, ready to serve, piping hot from the microwave is equally saturated with moonbeams.

Give the man a fucking break already.

[PretzelWarrior]

36. next. they blame Obama for Iraq and New Orleans still not being built up.

Oh, and did you know it is like....Day negative 66 of Obama administration and they STILL haven't built anything on the crater where WTC towers stood. He is useless, I tell ya.

[walldude]

42. You gotta love how everything from 9/11 to the financial crisis

was all Bill Clintons fault. Right up till Obama got elected. Now it's all his fault. I wish we could all be as perfect as the Republicans they seem to govern perfectly till Democrats come in and screw it all up. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[JuniperLea]

52. The Mighty, Mighty Clenis!

What a man! He doesn't need no stinking presidency! He can make things happen with his mere presence on Earth!

:rofl:

Yeah, Bush is still the Golden Child... as is Reagan. Amazing. You can trade arms for cocaine, lie the country into war, make huge profits on said war for you and your buddies... but God forbid you should be getting you know what from some airhead intern. Yessiree... Bush sure did bring dignity back to the White House! You betcha!

[PretzelWarrior]

61. yeah. sorry, FOOLS. We got at least FOUR years of "It's Bush who caused this".

We'll be a bit fairer than GOP lunk heads and won't try to say in Obama's 6th year that the state of the economy, etc. are Bush's fault. Heck, we probably won't want to. I expect a turnaround to start in late 2009 with real recovery in 2010.

[bridgit]

34. I'm pretty sure it matters to the opposition. With a user reg of 130K+...

and 10's of mil's of post, other sites maybe more-so; DU is able to offer to interested parties a detailed sampling of (what is considered) Lib/Pro thought. For myself, I don't go to freerepublic, but some DUer's do and routinely, and they come back with links and text indicating moronic opinions and hand-wringing on the other side. It's easy to see the other side coming here for similar reasons. Strategists far above the fray on both sides are able to go wherever they please and identify all manner of wedge issues watching many of us tear each other apart. And that has a certain value I would think, if again to the apposition. Maybe even some of our people view such things with little humor, who can say for sure

[PretzelWarrior]

37. you bring up one good point....why make things easier for the opposition

by starting negative vibes with all the negative threads?

[firedupdem]

38. Word! The man isn't even in office yet. Leave him the fuck

alone at this point! After everything is done, we'll all have our opinions and rightly so.

[PretzelWarrior]

39. I'm still in this wonderful afterglow

yes, I was game planning electoral victory for him in 2012, but that's just because I like to goof with numbers. Right now, we should savor the time between wonderful, orgasmic election night and the proud day he takes the oath of office. Stop with the "cycnism". It's not cynicism really. It's fear of embracing something real.

[MoonRiver]

45. A lot of people just enjoy whining.

:cry:

[TexasObserver]

46. Decent message, but poorly presented.

Insulting people in blanket "you people" attacks is asinine.

You could have made your points intelligently, instead of a silly rant with childish insults.

[PretzelWarrior]

51. oh well. I guess I'm just not as eloquent as Obama or you

whatever the case, I seem to have hit a nerve.

BTW. I was quite clear which "YOU PEOPLE" I was referring to. Each one reading it can clearly determine if they belong in that category or not.

[TexasObserver]

55. Let's just leave it at that.

Decent message, bad delivery.

[PretzelWarrior]

60. well, possibly. there are times I go for poetic

and full of "heart" and there are times I go for the inelegant point that NEEDS to be made.

[Lumpsum]

56. That's right folks. The internet is no place for personal opinions. Especially on a forum.

THE INTERNET IS A SERIES OF TUBES!

[PretzelWarrior]

59. I'm not saying people shouldn't express their opinions

just that they are Nucking Futz if they think preemptively attacking Obama for what he MIGHT do is productive use of their time.

Here's the thing. The GOP has decided to carry their "Concern Troll" schtick into Obama's presidency. It's UTTER BULLSHIT but that is the card they have and the one they will play.

Witness Rush and Hannity and OReilly saying they "just don't know this guy. they're scared what he's a gonna do to this great nation of ours."

They are preying on the constantly fearful in the hinterlands who will jump at any shadow.

I think people who constantly whine about how this or that pick by Obama means he might be a neocon or DLC or whatever the fuck plays right into that "Concern Troll" mentality of the right.

[sufrommich]

62. Ditto. K & R nt

[MarthaMyDear]

65. Totally agree, thanks for posting this, PretzelWarrior! K&R!