But I'm not fooled: THAT'S A UTERUS, WHAT YOU HAVE."

[LittleApple81]

Jason Linkins in TV Soundoff at Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/23/tv-soundoff-sunday-talkin_n_145795.html

This is one o the funniest commentaries on the Sunday talk shows I've seen on the Lieberman's gall.

What about all the crazy-ass things that Sarah Palin and others said about Obama? Lieberman never expressed his disapproval. Lieberman lies and says that he did, "to people in the media," but in fact he's not really expressing his disapproval now! He approves of the "tone Obama has set in victory" in that Joe still has a job.

Brokaw brings up Lieberman's approval of Palin. For what it's worth, my wife remarks of Brokaw: "Dude can barely conceal his disgust." She adds, loudly, "Just say, 'I WAS WRONG.' 'I WAS WRONG.' SAY IT. USE YOUR WORDS. 'I WAS WRONG.'" Like the Social Distortion song. Remember: this liveblog will always be a safe place for fans of Social Distortion.

But now Brokaw wants to get into the FEELINGS. Did the non-punishment feel like a punishment? Of course it didn't. And it wasn't. "I think the President wants to have a united Democratic party...the people are sick of partisanship, they want someone to put country first and that, I think is what Barack Obama has been making clear he will do since the night he was elected." Uhm, since before that night, actually, Joe, you farkakte ganef.

My wife opines: "Joe Lieberman is like that pregnant man. He wants it both ways. He thinks he's having it both ways. He believes he can convince me there are two ways about it. But I'm not fooled: THAT'S A UTERUS, WHAT YOU HAVE."

[ecstatic]

1. The pregnant man story really irritates me for some reason

[Erin Elizabeth]

4. I know, right?

And I have no idea why. Viagra commercials totally irritate me, too, and I can't figure out why.

[glowing]

5. It irritates me because its not really a big deal.

The man started as a woman, still has a uterus, and decided to use it.. I keep thinking.. the poor children are now going to be known forever at school as coming from the pregnant man. There was no reason to bring a private life to public unless you wanted the attention.. obviously, the 15mins of fame is a big deal for many people.. and later on they wonder why their children are being teased and wish they had never been born.

[tishaLA]

6. Right. Like all those gay and lesbian families

Their kids are going to forever be teased because they have two dads or two moms. There's no reason to make that kind of thing public unless they want attention. Because it's not like one of the things the LGBT movement has done is challenge traditional conceptions of families, affectional ties, etc. :sarcasm:

[glowing]

8. Its an unusual case that went big a splashy.. If you think two dads or two moms is

somehow odd or strange or unreasonable, that's your problem. I personally view them as families with similar issues as mine. I don't see too many LGBT families going on tv to exploit their children... most parents do all they can to protect their children from bullies. The other day I was listening to the radio, and Pam Anderson was shocked that her child was being picked on at school due to her infamous sex tape and that her eldest child's (12) friends had seen the tape. She seemed shocked that it would become a big deal for her children? Duh.

I personally am dismayed at other's in this country and their views of LGBT families and their rights. I'm hoping a Supreme Court (with Obama appointments) will settle this civil rights and privacy issue for the entire nation... AND then when I'm my parents age, nobody cares about two men or two women marrying or having families.

My distaste in their decision to go on any show that would book them is a result of having a child and wanting to protect that child. Similarly, if I cheated on my husband, I would NOT decide to go on Jerry Springer and announce to the world I had taken on another lover in front of the world and subsequently, my family.

[tishaLA]

9. No, I don't think of them as strange or unreasonable

That's what that :sarcasm: thing is all about. Nor do I think anything is strange about trans families. That's the point of my post. Your concern for the children ignores one simple fact: that trans families are supposed to be quiet and invisible in the fact of heteronormativity. And the kind of discourse about the children was precisely the tool that used to be used to keep gay and lesbian families invisible. I'm really glad this trans family has broken through so that one day, maybe, a trans family will be as banal as gay and lesbian families now are in many places.

[glowing]

10. A trans family would be inclusive of families.. No matter what, a trans family

is inclusive in my idea of family... No, I don't think anyone should hide under a rock. I just think that they went out of their way to exploit the situation.. Seriously, the man was born with female parts, and then decided to bear a child with those female parts, but still chooses to live as a man. The way the whole thing has been coined as a freak show by the media particularly disturbs me.. "man who has baby" thing is not bringing light to the issue.. its a circus in the making. It does more to say abnormal than normal to me. Like I said, some people love their 15mins. Especially with reality t.v. shows on every channel. Even in this election, Joe the Plumber.. some people like that...

[tishaLA]

11. Yes, lots of transpeople live this way

They are born with "female parts" (or "male parts" as the case may be, in a rather juvenile way of saying "uterus" and "penis") and choose to have children despite the fact that they live and identify as another gender. I agree that "the media" is exploiting it--they did the same with same sex couples who had children--but it does us no good to worry about "the poor children" who will suffer because their transgendered father "wanted the attention" (and, in so doing, educated people about TG issues, I might add) or comparing it to an adulterous affair someone confesses on Jerry Springer.

TG people don't have to hide. Of course the first prominent instance of this will get attention as "freakish." All nontraditional families are treated this way--as single parent households, or interracial households, or same sex households were. I'm glad some people are getting their first personal (and not hypersexualized) look at members of the TG community. I'm sure they're sorry you don't approve.

[glowing]

12. Like I said, the world is cruel, and I am thinking about the child/ren.

Its a mommy instinct in me to protect mine to a fault.. and inherently, all children.. Seriously, children get picked on for having braces and being over weight and that brutality often follows them into adulthood. I'm not saying there is something wrong with their family or the fact that this couple wants a family... what is wrong is the media making it a freak show.. and I find that they didn't care to shed light on transgendered families; I find they fed the "freak show" that our media loves. And to my understanding the man has had the operation to change his appearance, but had a fully functioning uterus.. so yes, I called it a uterus that he chose to use. I have one too, and I live as a female.

I think with Prop 8 and the disgusting passage of taking away civil rights for a minority group.. people are more on edge. I know its tough because people aren't always accepting.. people are cruel.. add in the religious "sin" thing, and goodnight... The closest thing I can relate to is when I was dating a bi-racial man in South Carolina. He is a mutt, kind of like our President.. except his mom was white and from Holland.. his dad black and American. People def. had their opinions of the two of us dating. In certain settings, like being around older people, he'd "respectively" stay his distance. Sometimes its easier not to hold hands, rather than have people tsking at you.. and stating their opinions loud enough a table away for you to hear, while pretending to have a private conversation. I'll never understand in a world that desperately needs more love, why anyone would object to other's who have found a bit of happiness and love with another.

BUT when it comes to children.. Protect them with all you have. They are innocent for too little of a time in this crazy world.

[geckosfeet]

2. He approves of the tone Obama has set - WTF, Does anyone care what he approves of?

What a arrogant hypocritical pos.

Keep stabbing the dems in the back jOe. Eventually you will them no choice and the tone will turn sour for you.

[JDwho]

3. Funniest thread all day (so far)...

and your wife sounds just hilarious. Much like the conversations we have in our home...

[lunatica]

7. Your wife is a sage....

:thumbsup: