my sister says there will be riots over Obama's birth certificate!?!

[grasswire]

Apparently the wingnuts still believe his birth certificate is a fraud.

She says there will be a constitutional crisis over this, and riots if a non-citizen is inaugurated.

Who is perpetuating this smear? Who is the force behind the continuing defamation of Obama?

[sakabatou]

1. The RW blowhards on TV and radio for sure

[cali]

40. you are almost entirely wrong. Rush, Hannity, etc aren't touching it

it's relegated to WorldNut daily and freeperville.

[PatGund]

69. Actually, no....

The people buying into this myth are complaining that Fox News, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., are all in the bag for Obama because they're not covering this, some even calling for boycotts against them for having sold out to the left.

*snork*.

[sakabatou]

74. Ok... so it's not the RW media...

It's the RW NUTCASSES!

[PatGund]

86. Yes indeedy!!!

The main people promoting this myth are the far, far right wing and their PUMA buddies.

[Starry Messenger]

2. PUMAs and Freeps.

Where did your sister hear it? Might be easier to track down the source that way.

[anonymous171]

3. I hope they do riot. That would be hilarious.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. Let's see Blackwater, or the National Guard stick their guns in those guys' faces...

[RedLetterRev]

41. Keep in mind

that Blackwater is headed by a freep and is comprised of freeps.

That is not a comforting thought.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

105. I agree.

When they hold their idiotic riot will the police dogs and the fire hoses be used? What a bunch of lunatics. I am bringing the popcorn and margaritas. :popcorn:

[firedupdem]

4. Has anybody heard this birth certificate stuff in the MSM? It seems

to me that if it was such an issue they would be all over it.

[pnwmom]

23. Forbes is part of the MSM. Here's a recent article.

http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/11/obamas-birth--1.html

Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going

You've got to hand it to Philip J. Berg: he doesn't give up easily. You might recall that Philadelphia attorney Berg tried, and failed, to halt the presidential election of Barack Obama on the grounds that he is not a native-born citizen. Game over, right? Wrong.

Berg filed a writ of certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court in late October, asking that the highest court review the decision of the U.S. District Court in Pennsylvania. The latter court dismissed Berg's claims because he lacked standing to bring them. Standing requires plaintiffs to prove they are directly affected by the issue at hand, with evidence of injury that is concrete and particular. In its decision the district court said Berg "does not, and we believe cannot, establish injury in fact." It also dismissed his claims as frivolous.

Berg takes this in stride. His writ, he says, requires Obama and the Democratic National Council to respond by December 1. Also, he has another arrow in his quiver. He's filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., under the False Claims Act, which is often used in Medicaid fraud. "I am basing this on the fact that as a U.S. senator is collecting money illegally because he is not a citizen of this country," he says.

SNIP

------------------------------------

And here's a piece from the Philadelphia Bulletin

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20202575&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes joined the fight to release President-elect Barack Obama's birth certificate this week, suing to keep the California Electoral College from meeting.

The suit is the latest of many lawsuits filed requesting the birth certificate, a document that Mr. Obama has so far refused to produce in court. The lawsuit, filed by Mr. Keyes and the American Independent Party (AIP) in the California Superior Court in Sacramento, requests the court to bar the secretary of State from certifying the names of electors to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, R-Calif., and from transmitting a certificate of election each presidential elector.

"I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Sen. Obama takes office," said Mr. Keyes in an AIP press release. "Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new president can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."

The Electoral College will meet in each state capital to cast its votes on Dec. 15. Dec. 1 is also an important debate in the controversy, as Mr. Obama must respond to a federal case in the U.S. Supreme Court by that date, which will be heard by Justice David Souter, a jurist with a liberal reputation.

SNIP

[Lorien]

71. Refused to produce in court? Copies have already circulated on the internet

which Hawaii says are genuine. Maybe these fools still don't understand that Hawaii is part of the U.S.?

[gmoney]

73. Yeah, but they're all laserprints on a form dated 2001 (I think)

I would love to see him put this to rest by producing the crinkly old 1961 original completed on a typewriter and signed by someone who was there.

In addition, I'm sure the hospital would have some sort of billing or surgical notes, or something from back in the day. Producing this stuff would put this matter to rest.

[Kalyke]

81. It was in the local newspapers at the time.

Having reported on local news for 12 years, I can tell you that the paper won't print it if there's no record of it.

I can't find the copy of my old crinkly one, either, but the state certifies these things. These people just won't accept reality.

[KakistocracyHater]

115. they never have accepted reality

& that is the problem.

[SwampG8r]

125. birth announcement in the honolulu paper

has been distributed also

this is a willful suspension of reality in favor of a belief that corresponds with an earlier belief

[PassingFair]

132. They "create their own", remember?

They don't HAVE to accept anything.

:sarcasm:

[nxylas]

83. He couldn't

Hawaii doesn't release copies of original long-form birth certificates. And if a certified copy from the State of Hawaii and a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper don't convince the wingnuts, then what makes you think they wouldn't just dismiss the original as a fake too?

[gmoney]

94. all I'm saying is that something dated before 2001 would be nice

All this shit just smells like a cover-up. I'm on O's side, but we were all over Palin for Trig's birth records and her medical records, and McCain for the same things. I do find the announcement in the paper to be pretty convincing, but I'm going to be a concern troll on this one.

Hawaii merely is choosing not to release the original long-form birth certificates. I'm sure if Obama requested them, he could at least get a redacted copy that would remove all doubt.

[JuniperLea]

96. The State of Hawaii told the world the certificate is legitimate...

What more do you want?

[whistler162]

124. I want a affidavits from Admiral Chester Nimitz and

Robert Conrad that they were standing behind the OB/Gyn when the doctor caught baby Barack leaving his mother and a picture of the delivery with the USS Arizona Memorial in the background!

NOTHING LESS!!!!

[Starry Messenger]

107. I, for one, did not give a sh*t about Trig's birth records.

Just to make that perfectly clear.

There is no way Obama would have run for President with that kind of bullshit hanging around. All of the outrage has been stoked by the right wing and Pumas.

[nxylas]

113. No-one is above the law, not even the President

If the State of Hawaii doesn't issue long form birth certificates, they can't start making exceptions for one person, whoever he is. This isn't some banana republic where whatever the President wants, the President gets (much to W's regret).

[gmoney]

128. well, they keep the records on file for a reason...

presumably so they can be used as documentation or evidence, especially concerning the person they pertain to...

I'm just saying that our side is always calling for public access to documentation, such as W's National Guard records, and candidates' medical records. This seems to fit that model, and it would be easy enough to clear the air. Why not do it and remove all doubt?

[nxylas]

129. No it wouldn't be "easy enough"

What part of "the State of Hawaii doesn't release original birth certificates" don't you understand?

[gmoney]

134. Fine. I will not question authority. I will be a good little sheep. My apologies.

I will not seek transparency in government. I will do as I'm told. The past 8 years have taught me well.

[nxylas]

135. Is that the smell of burning martyr I detect?

A certified copy of a birth certificate is considered acceptable proof of citizenship by the Department of State. It was considered acceptable proof by the Pennsylvania court that kicked out the Philip Berg case. What makes you so special that you demand a higher standard of proof than they do?

[gmoney]

136. I'm not demanding anything. Just wondering why it's not offered.

If this was their guy and not our guy, this board would be full of people screaming for proof and the release of the original records and the letter from Admiral Nimitz and an investigation and hearings and OMGZ and ONOZ.

All this stuff about how a laserprint from 2007 "should be good enough" and hiding behind some bureaucratic excuse is just lame. The guy's 47 years old... he didn't bother getting a copy of his birth certificate until after 2001? Seems to me that having lived in so many places in his life, he'd have his paperwork in apple pie order.

This board went apeshit when freeps were talking about changing the constitution to allow Schwarzenegger to run for president. I guess I'm just showing the same concern for the integrity of the constitution.

The lack of skepticism around here is disquieting, as is the shouting down of anyone who questions the matter.

[nxylas]

140. You're not a skeptic. A skeptic can be convinced.

Someone who can apparently make himself believe that Obama can somehow persuade the State of Hawaii to certify a forged document and then travel back in time to 1961 and place a fake birth announcement in a Honolulu newspaper is beyond being reasoned with.

[yardwork]

91. No they're not, and yes he has. The state of Hawaii said that they handled his birth certificate.

It's genuine. His state of birth said so. Obama has produced it. Drop this.

[jberryhill]

111. Yes - that is how birth certificates are produced

I've needed certified birth certificates for all sorts of stuff. In most states, you wander over to the records office, pay your ten bucks, they print it up, emboss it, and you're on your way.

I don't have a wrinkly old piece of paper from 1963, and I'm certain Barack Obama doesn't either.

[Indenturedebtor]

149. No I hope that this manufactured "scandal" keeps going

It points these droolers out for the nuts they are.

[CreekDog]

131. Name one other president who has produced his birth certificate in court

Name one.

[BrklynLiberal]

5. They would not even come close to the riots that will occur if Obama is NOT

inaugurated!!!! Believe me!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. I believe.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

88. Yes,

Indeed!!!

[opihimoimoi]

6. We have Mega problems to Solve...WTF is this Crap? All it does is slow down the answers

Here...go chill out surfing;;;;mo bettah surf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2vkwy2vdP4&feature=related

[Enrique]

99. that's incredible

is that you in that video? :-)

[opihimoimoi]

100. LOL...no way...its almost suicidal....ya never gonna find me even close to them waves

:beer:

[BootinUp]

146. Thats a radical wave dude. nt

[John Q. Citizen]

8. When has your sister ever been right about anything?

[MadMaddie]

9. They lost and they need to get over it!!

[IsItJustMe]

10. Not to be nosy, but does your sister have a flair for the dramatics?

[silverojo]

16. No, she just sounds like a Freeper

That's why it's good to go to their online cesspool every so often. You find out that it's not just one lunatic saying this shit, but group insanity.

[PatGund]

68. Freepers and PUMAs....

...are the only ones buying this myth. And the more they get debunked, the weirder the claims get. The latest is a claim the Kenyan ambassador said on radio they would put a marker on Obama's birthplace. Yet there (as usual) doesn't seem to be any proof.

And so far, all the lawsuits are either "pending hearing" or "dismissed" Not one has made it past the hearing stage and gone to trial.

[jberryhill]

143. I'd have considered it if I could have scammed up a trip to Hawaii, like that one guy did tho'

Heckfire, I could stand to go on a safari. Maybe I should take up donations in freeperville for a junket to Kenya.

[Radical Activist]

11. lol Most of them are cowards.

they won't do shit.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. It's like belief in the Rapture.

It's absolutely immune to any kind reason, logic or evidence. The "riots" are going to be a handful of embarrassingly public temper tantrums is my guess.

[1corona4u]

13. Yeah, right. Just like they were going to riot if Obama won...

:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

14. They did the same thing with Bill Clinton.

And they kept it up for eight years.

[pnwmom]

22. I know what you mean. They treated him as illegitimate from the minute

he was inaugurated. And they even bragged about refusing to give him a "honeymoon."

[smalll]

15. It's the delusion of defeat. On this very site (DU) four years ago, large batches of people ...

took the time to proclaim that they "believed", weeks after election day, that John Kerry would spring forward with some blockbuster hidden evidence on or before January 20th to snatch the Presidential Oath from Dubya at the last moment. Even though it never happened, certain "believers" not only still exist, they bask in a substantial following.

We've seen this kind of self-delusion before. Thanks be to God it's on THEIR side this time, rather than on OURS.

[crispini]

39. I agree that there were some irrational bitter-enders here...

but that was grounded in a very real and IMO very valid concern over how the votes were counted in Ohio. Remember Boxer moving to not certify the results? There was definitely some "there" there two years ago.

[Thrill]

17. Tell her the election is over. Time to GET OVER IT

[AllentownJake]

18. Oh noes!

Tell them to come and try to riot in DC on January 20th. The 5 million Obama supporters gathered will welcome them with open arms :rofl:

[pansypoo53219]

19. 21st century

whitewater?

i don't think the sheeple will buy it this time.

[calmblueocean]

20. So ask your sister if she's going to riot. She'll say no, of course.

It's always someone else that's going to riot.

[salguine]

21. The public didn't riot over the last eight years of Constitutional crisis, did they? And yet

they're supposed to be outraged over this? Give me a break.

[Downtown Hound]

24. Did you laugh at her?

That would have been the best response.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

25. Barack Sr. didn't step foot outside the US in the two years before his son was born!

Barack Obama Sr. arrived in the United States in April of 1959, President Obama was not born until August of 1961. It is physically impossible for him to have been born outside the United States. And how does the Dunham clan fit into this conspircy theory?

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

26. Your sister needs massive doses of Thorazine.

No offense. This is batshit insane territory. Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Hawaii in 1961 (part of the United States, last I looked), the son of a mother who was as American as apples, peaches and pumpkin pie on Thanksgiving, just like he is, Only Freepers believe otherwise.

Sarah Palin isn't even this dumb, and that boggles the mind.

[BlooInBloo]

27. (shrug) The 101st Fighting Keyboard Commandos are always having wet dreams about killing Americans..

Most commonly it's black folks per their "race war" dreams. Any explanation offered is just whatever they found handy lying around in their intellectual garage. Really all they want is to kill other Americans.

[cooolandrew]

28. It'll go nowhere in the end like their party. Their day is done and they know it whatever they try >

and do now a Demcrat is in office for a good many years to come.

[backscatter712]

29. Just wait until Inauguration Day... When they watch Obama being sworn in...

Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears, freepers!!!

Mmm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!

Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy!

Mm-yummy, you guys!

[demo dutch]

77. I'm actually very nervous about Inauguration Day, it's a security nightmare!

[Cheap_Trick]

30. what a sad bunch of fuckwits

when THIS is the best they can come up with.

[bdamomma]

55. they are scrapping the bottom of their barrel.

what delusional and ignorant people.

[Cheap_Trick]

60. Oh hells no....

they've done gone through the bottom of the barrel and are digging into the ground below. If they keep going, maybe the fuckers can strike oil!

[jberryhill]

112. Drill, Baby, Drill

If the freeps ever give up on Birth Certificate Truth, I don't know what I'll do for my daily dose of entertainment.

It's like watching orangutans try to figure out how to put together furniture from Ikea.

[Indi Guy]

31. FOX News has already debunked this crap....

[RamboLiberal]

32. This is what the Freeper riot will look like on January 20th

[LynneSin]

85. I still remember watching that rally on C-span with Khephra, RBNYC and Ramsey

it was the day after the big protest in late October 2002 (right after Paul Wellstone had died in that plane crash).

I had a suite and us girls were in the bedroom and the late great wonderful Khephra was out in the living room area where he slept. The next morning I woke up and Kheph & Ramsey were watching this protest laughing their asses off at the stuff that was going on. It was a wonderful memory.

[TexasObserver]

33. Most who believe that fiction are too old, too rural, or too lazy to riot.

And where are all these elderly, rural white people going to riot?

At the town traffic light?

Are they going to stop traffic from accessing the Dairy Queen?

[pengillian101]

108. Good point!

:rofl:

[mwb970]

142. You can't really riot properly in a tiny town.

Blankwit, Nebraska, population 105: "Riot this Saturday in front of Bob's General Store right after the morning Swap Meet. Bring the kids and a covered dish for potluck afterwards, followed by a twilight church service."

[CreekDog]

34. ask her why they are waiting until inauguration

then ask her to tell you what percentage of the population believes this.

after all, what percentage of people opposed the Iraq War? 30 percent I believe and there were protests. and what happened? they protested and the war went on anyway.

what percentage of people believe that Obama is a non citizen? 5 percent? how much smaller will those protests be? and what will happen? Obama will be president anyway.

except in this case, we will have a happy ending. :hi:

[Mister Ed]

35. Please send her these links

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Or, if she regards Fox News as a more trustworthy source:

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Nov01/0,4670,InternetPoliticalRumors,00.html

[stuntcat]

50. I'm saving these, thank you

ty. I have a stupid old hick 'friend' sending me the conspiracy BS.

[Douglas Carpenter]

36. about as likely as the workers rising up on May 1, 2009 and seizing the means of production

It is awesome how people living in a self-chosen psychological bubble can rewrite reality and actually believe it

[izzie]

37. The blog on Fox has gone nuts about it.

What is behind it any how? Why did it get to this point? He must have records from both the state and hospital and also a passport as his mother left the country and he must have had records for that.

[chelsea0011]

38. You want to see riots in the streets. Just try to bring down or tie up

in the courts this presidency.

[Historic NY]

42. Will they have enough Port-a-potties for the rioters?

[tanyev]

47. Quick! Liberals need to buy up all the port-a-pottie businesses!

[spinbaby]

72. Oh, I think so

That looks like at least one port-a-potty per rioter.

[Historic NY]

123. lets steal all the toilet paper!!

[old mark]

43. There is a guy from Philly named Berg who is pushing it.

He says Obama is not a real American citizen because his father was not a US citizen, ignoring the facts ahta his mother was and that he was born in the US.

There are some others who believe Obama himself was born in Kenya. Evidently some Kenyan dignitary said that there is a monument to Obama in Kenya to mark the place of his birth.
The monument is for our President Elect's father, who shares the same name, was born in Kenya and did much good for his country.
I am certain there are many other idiotic myths that are deeply held beliefs of some people who just cannot comprehend that the Republicans lost, and that a black man and a Democrat will be OUR PRESIDENT.

Many a tear has to fall...

mark

[PatGund]

87. Mostly...

Berg is a disgruntled Clinton supporter who had been trying to demand Obama step out all during the primaries.

His claims on the birth certificate fakery are from right-wing and PUMA sources, (to be precise, two so-called internet "Experts", Polarik and TechDude). His claims about citizenship are almost cut and pasted from posts by neo-confederate "Judah Benjamin" on the PUMA blog "TexasDarlin.

Most of the lawsuits out there, (even Keyes lawsuit) are cookie-cutter clones of Berg's lawsuit. At least 7 of those have been dismissed to date. Berg's lawsuit has been dismissed once, the appeal was dismissed, and he's now waiting to see if Justice Souter dismisses it.

There's another lawsuit, Leo Donofrio's, who is arguing that Obama AND McCain are citizens but not "Natural Born" citizens and therefore cannot be president. Donofrio seems to believe there's multiple tiers of citizenship. Justice Thomas has recommended that it be reviewed in conference by the entire supreme court, and as a result, many freepers and PUMAs are believing that's a slam dunk in their favour.

[rucky]

44. I'm sure they'll bring plenty of port-a-potties.

[Vinca]

45. The whackjobs ought to remember that once he's sworn in he can

opt to keep Guantanamo open and send their asses there for eternity.

[saltpoint]

46. It's going to be a frustrating time for freepers.

Especially if they cling to idiot theories like fake birth certificates.

[Alter Ego]

49. Your sister's clearly had part of her brain removed.

She should seek help.

[shellgame26]

51. I would say Lynn Samuels

except nobody really listens to her.

[Canuckistanian]

52. There's not enough of them to make a decent baseball team

So, no, there will be no riots.

Maybe a couple of cars will get scratched and a dead animal will appear in front of someone's home.

But that's it.

[Historic NY]

53. What freepers or brains?

[Canuckistanian]

95. There are more freepers than brains

A LOT more.

[WinkyDink]

54. Your sister needs to be educated on this.

[workinclasszero]

56. I'd love to see those reich wing loons rioting!

Rimjob's neighborhood up in flames! :applause:

But alas, no worries. The freep keyboard warriors talk big but won't be leaving Mom's basement anytime soon. :)

[H2O Man]

57. those who repeat it

[zulchzulu]

58. I have a nice hot can of whoopass to help a Freeper understand who's President

A riot, you say... Freepers are the biggest pussies on the Planet.

:rofl:

[L0oniX]

59. Better check out her closet for a KKK outfit.

[NHDEMFORLIFE]

61. They need to support the President-elect and stop being so unpatriotic n/t

[LynneSin]

62. Like this very successful pro-war rally??

:rofl:

[Number23]

82. Good grief, where did that foolishness occur??

There's more damn flags than people.

[Orsino]

63. They're still jealous, because McCain didn't have one. n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

64. Somehow I doubt it.

[xxqqqzme]

65. we just spent the last EIGHT years

w/ the biggest dumb ass in the US APPOINTED president and there were no riots - eggs thrown at the inaugural limo but nO riots. They need to - how does that go again??? - oh yeah, GET OVER IT!

[bertman]

66. This is the reich-wing equivalent to a three-year old rolling on the floor, screaming at the

top of his lungs while kicking his feet.

Fuck them.

[yellowcanine]

67. What will the freepers do? Set fire to one or their portapotties?

[Historic NY]

127. steal the toilet paper!!!!!!!!!!

[MarkInCA]

70. A look into the future

A possible look at what the freeper riots will be like:

[demwing]

75. These guys, or those who share their beliefs.

[demo dutch]

76. Tell your sister to give it rest. McCain's birthplace lists Colon Panama outside of

instead of the Coco Solo Air Force Base.

and if you want more dirt, Mitt Romney’s father George was born in Chihuahua, Mexic. IN fact 3 generations of Romneys lived in Mexico because Miles Park Romney, a polygamist, moved the family there in 1884 as it became increasingly clear that the U.S. government would not tolerate polygamy in the Utah Territory. The 1882 Edmunds Act stripped polygamists of the basic rights of U.S. citizenship, denying them the right to vote, serve on juries or hold office. Not dissimilar to current immigration raids, U.S. federal agents hunted and arrested polygamists. Polygamists were forced to leave the country or risk jail.

[TheKentuckian]

78. A mighty guffaw and a fart in your sister's general direction

fucktard and/or a carrier for fucktardisim.

[grantcart]

tell them to go start their riot in Harlem

[grantcart]

79. tell them to go start their riot in Harlem

[Hokie]

80. No offense inteded

However, your sister is an idiot. ;)

[Kajsa]

84. Sigh- Here we go again,

they just won't quit,will they?


http://tinyurl.com/5cp7qg

[seabeyond]

89. who the hell is your sister??/ you sister says.. and what, it matters how?

not worried about what your sister says, though i have heard this exact right wing shit your "sister" mouthed off.

[yardwork]

90. I've seen pictures of freeper riots. The porta-potties outnumber the rioters.

[southernyankeebelle]

92. Good going

Maybe they will get so upset they will have heartattacks and die. We can only hope. These people need to get a life.

[LynnTheDem]

93. Barack Obama is AMERICAN.

Period.

[Enrique]

97. parents' basements will be in flames all over the nation!

:scared:

[mkultra]

98. sounds fine, buy a rifle

get ready to shoot some rioters!

[Swamp Rat]

101. Right wing propaganda web sites

[sufrommich]

102. I imagine there will tens of them rioting in the streets...

not all together,but on their own individual streets,across the country,until one of the neighbors call the police.

[HughMoran]

103. OMG!!11!! THIS IS HUGH!!11!!! YOU"RE SERIES!!11!!!

:rofl:

c'mon, cut the crap

[rocktivity]

104. Where's the proof he was born elsewhere?

Even if he wasn't born on American soil, his mother was--one parent is enough.

:headbang:
rocknation

[IndianaGreen]

106. I've heard that Obama is really a Klingon

HIja'

[jberryhill]

109. It was a distraction to the nutjobs, but it took on a life of its own

They'll have to get in line behind all those rioting in the streets after discovering the "truth" about 9/11.

In Berg's case, he's a two-fer, having sued George Bush for causing 9/11, and now having moved on to Obama birth certificate woo.

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. No force on earth can alter that fact, and nobody can renounce the US citizenship status of a minor. End of story.

[trayfoot]

110. Sheeeesh! Will these idiots never quit?????

[wisteria]

114. I am not worried about his birth cirtificate, I am more worried about him being a fraud.n/t

[Genevieve]

141. You are a moron.

[TheWraith]

116. Your sister has the IQ of a turnip. Was she adopted or something?

Oy.

[LibertyLover]

117. I sometimes look in on a site called Above Top Secret

because they carry interesting stories about UFOs, which I've been interested in for a long time. Anyway, the site is dedicated to conspiracy theories, etc. The Obama birth certificate has been a big deal over there, with multiple threads. One of the things that many of the debunkers of Obama's having been born in the US say is that the certificate Obama has supplied is a Certificate of Live Birth, not a birth certificate. For the True Believers, it is an article of faith that in Hawaii you can register a birth as much as a year after the event and still get a certificate of live birth from the state's vital statistics office. Their reasoning runs something like this:

Obama was born in Kenya (his paternal grandmother is alleged to have stated this, the Kenyan ambassador is supposed to have said that a special sign commemorates where Obama was born and there is an imam who is seeking political asylum in Great Britain who supposedly has the paperwork that proves Obama was born in Kenya and the imam had to leave Kenya because the government was out to get him) I did mention the conspiracy theories right?

Next, Obama's mother takes Barrack to Hawaii and registers his birth, which makes him eligible for the issuance of the Certificate of Live Birth. Then when the family moves to Indonesia after her second marriage, she renounced her American citizenship. Barrack did also according to the theories. Now, what they forget is that a child cannot renounce his citizenship. I don't know the rules about the child's parents or guardian, but I believe that any renunciation, if it took place at all, is provisional, dependent on the child's wishes when that child turns 18.

Now, according to some conspiracy theories, Obama also failed to register for the draft - please disregard the fact that the Selective Service has on record his registration because you will ruin a good conspiracy. That fact according to some makes him ineligible to be president.

Next up on the conspiracy hit parade regarding the Obama birth certificate and his citizenship is the idea that by living in Indonesia he gained Indonesian citizenship and so is not eligible to be an American citizen.

If you mention to the debunkers that Certificate of Live Birth is what Hawaii calls their officially approved copies of birth certificates, that Obama's grandmother was referring to her son, Obama's father, when she stated Barrack Obama was born in Kenya, that the Oahu newspaper printed an announcement of Barrack's birth about a week afterwards and needed a birth certificate for that and that living in another country does not invalidate your citizenship, they get very upset and accuse you of either being pro-Obama, a brainwashed fool or simply unable to appreciate THE TRUTH when you read it. The threads on this other site frequently get shut down by the moderators because they degenerate into name-calling and flame wars.

One thread went on and on about the Berg suit and how it was going to blow the "Obama citizenship conspiracy" wide open. There was much speculation by fellow believers about who would be president, with McCain/Palin being the choice of most posters. It was spectacularly weird.

Having typed all that, I will admit that I don't understand the December 1 deadline being mentioned. I thought that cert was not granted by the Supreme Court to Berg's suit, so I fail to see why there is any need for Obama to reply to anything.

[pengillian101]

118. Thaks for the update, yikes!

Obama was born in Kenya (his paternal grandmother is alleged to have stated this, the Kenyan ambassador is supposed to have said that a special sign commemorates where Obama was born and there is an imam who is seeking political asylum in Great Britain who supposedly has the paperwork that proves Obama was born in Kenya and the imam had to leave Kenya because the government was out to get him) I did mention the conspiracy theories right?

Next, Obama's mother takes Barrack to Hawaii and registers his birth, which makes him eligible for the issuance of the Certificate of Live Birth. Then when the family moves to Indonesia after her second marriage, she renounced her American citizenship. Barrack did also according to the theories. Now, what they forget is that a child cannot renounce his citizenship. I don't know the rules about the child's parents or guardian, but I believe that any renunciation, if it took place at all, is provisional, dependent on the child's wishes when that child turns 18.

Now, according to some conspiracy theories, Obama also failed to register for the draft - please disregard the fact that the Selective Service has on record his registration because you will ruin a good conspiracy. That fact according to some makes him ineligible to be president.

Next up on the conspiracy hit parade regarding the Obama birth certificate and his citizenship is the idea that by living in Indonesia he gained Indonesian citizenship and so is not eligible to be an American citizen.

If you mention to the debunkers that Certificate of Live Birth is what Hawaii calls their officially approved copies of birth certificates, that Obama's grandmother was referring to her son, Obama's father, when she stated Barrack Obama was born in Kenya, that the Oahu newspaper printed an announcement of Barrack's birth about a week afterwards and needed a birth certificate for that and that living in another country does not invalidate your citizenship, they get very upset and accuse you of either being pro-Obama, a brainwashed fool or simply unable to appreciate THE TRUTH when you read it. The threads on this other site frequently get shut down by the moderators because they degenerate into name-calling and flame wars.

One thread went on and on about the Berg suit and how it was going to blow the "Obama citizenship conspiracy" wide open. There was much speculation by fellow believers about who would be president, with McCain/Palin being the choice of most posters. It was spectacularly weird.

Having typed all that, I will admit that I don't understand the December 1 deadline being mentioned. I thought that cert was not granted by the Supreme Court to Berg's suit, so I fail to see why there is any need for Obama to reply to anything.

[BlooInBloo]

119. It's weird that someone would expose their own sister to such scorn.

[pengillian101]

122. Not really.

An anonymous message board - bitching about a sister! HA! Find me one family that doesn't have that in the mix, lol.

Happy Holiday!

[Maru Kitteh]

120. Do they promise to wear their Brooks Brother's shirts?

please?

[Skittles]

121. your sister needs help

[Manifestor_of_Light]

126. McCain was born in Panama, and NOT in the Canal Zone.

They never mention that.

[Obamastore2009]

130. Obama Born in The USA T shirts

I got and email from the Obama Store and they are introducing an Obama "Born in the USA" T shirt on November 26th. Its not on the website yet, But the shirt is pretty sweet. I for one will be wearing it.

http://www.ObamaStore2009.com

[pipi_k]

133. Perpetrators of this bullshit?

People with IQs smaller than their hat sizes, probably.


I just wonder why they weren't making the same sort of fuss over Bush, who wasn't even born to two human beings. Are chimps stolen from the Bronx Zoo allowed to run for President?

[demokatgurrl]

137. people who post this stuff HERE are perpetuating it.

[MineralMan]

138. This is all they have...

so they're milking it for all it's worth. Their pathetic whinings go unnoticed by virtually everyone, and one nuisance lawsuit after another gets thrown out.

There will be a SCOTUS conference on one of the suits, and they'll refuse to hear it. That won't stop the idiocy, though. It will continue through the entire eight years of Obama's Presidency.

As for the riots promised by the Freepers, they'll occur in the same place all the Freepers' activities occur...in their tiny little minds.

[surrealAmerican]

139. Unless your sister has said SHE would be rioting ...

... I'd just ignore this. Face it, if she's detached enough to believe such nonsense, she really has no idea what other people might do.

[tigereye]

144. uh-huh...

:eyes: Why do people believe this stuff?

[gauguin57]

145. This seems to have started with a rumor that some relative of Obama's in Kenya ...

... claimed that she was present for Obama's birth ... in Kenya. They claim to have an audiotape to that effect ... but there's absolutely no proof that it's not another crazy Andy Martin/Philip J. Berg hoax.

Numerous other urban legends have sprung up since -- that he lost his citizenship in Indonesia, that he was born in Canada ... then there's incorrect reading of immigration law at the time Obama was born (there was a "years of residency" requirement for U.S. citizens giving birth overseas while married to foreign nationals (which Ann Dunham didn't meet because she was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth), but since Obama was born in Hawaii, it doesn't apply, and the Freepers are spreading the rumor that it DOES apply).

They all seem to ignore the fact that 1) the health dept. of Hawaii has stated it has Obama's birth certificate (which meanhe was born in Hawaii ... no way they'd have it if he was born overseas) and 2) the FBI, CIA, State Dept., NSA,Treas Dept. (Secret Service) -- a few of them at least -- have certainly vetted Obama (if they don't vet major-party candidates running for president (to make sure they're no threat to our country), what are we paying them for?) and obviously found him to meet all the constitutional requirements for prexy. And if the Clintons couldn't find anything that would have thrown him out of the race for prexy, then that information doesn't exist!!!

[BlueMTexpat]

148. The point about Hawaii having his birth certificate is a good one.

If he had been born overseas, NO state would have his birth certificate on record. His birth would have been recorded at the appropriate US Consulate. One would have to request a copy of the birth certificate directly from the U.S. Department of State.

*****
This is such a crock of BS ... and it JUST. WON'T. DIE.

:banghead:

[catbyte]

150. What a load

of racist bullshit. This is similar to the situation in WWII when persons of Japanese ancestry were rounded up and sent to internment camps, while people of Italian and German ancestry were left alone. If you look "different" or "foreign" or "exotic", your "American-ness" is challenged. The whole birth certificate business smacks of racism and it makes me sick. How many other presidential contenders citizenship has this clown challenged? I'll bet none. :eyes:

It's gonna be a long four years listening to these morans bitch, moan and whine. For almost eight years, I've had to listen to wingnuts tell me, "You lost..get over it." Well, all I can say now is, You lost, GET OVER IT!" :rofl:

Happy "There Goes the Neighborhood Day" tomorrow! ;-)

Diane, Ojibwa and Proud!

"Tales of the hunt will glorify the hunter until lions have their own historians."--African proverb

[gauguin57]

147. Here are some interesting bits of law that the Freepers have been bandying about

Here's who can be prexy, according to Article II of the Constitution:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The pertinent passage from the Naturalization Act of 1790:

The Act also establishes the United States citizenship of children of citizens, born abroad, without the need for naturalization: "The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".

HOWEVER ... below is the U.S. immigration law from when Obama was born in 1961 ... this paragraph applies only to those born OUTSIDE the U.S. (and since we know Obama was born IN the U.S., it's a "moo point" (as Joey from "Friends" might have put it) or a "mute point," as the freepers might say)).

If Obama HAD been born outside the U.S., with an 18-year-old American mom and a Kenyan dad ... he may have had problems. His Mom had not lived in the U.S. for at least five years after the age of 16 by the time Obama was born (see immigration law below).

But, I repeat, since Obama was born in Hawaii, it's not an issue.

U.S. Immigration law that applied from December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986:

"If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.


"If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday."

Wingers are also throwing into the mix the fact that Obama Sr. had a tribal marriage in Kenya before he married Ann Dunham in the U.S. ... so was their marriage binding, or not? They seem to think that has some bearing on the situtation, but I don't really get that part.

At least all this stupidity has taught me something -- that immigration law back then was hostile to U.S. citizen teenage parents married to foreign nationals and giving birth abroad!