There are legitimate concerns about Hillary's debt

[ProSense]

Hillary's $7.5 Million Problem

ABC News' Tahman Bradley Reports: Hillary Clinton continues to carry $7.5 million of debt owed to vendors from her failed presidential bid which ended in early June, her campaign finance report covering the month of October shows.

Even though the election is over, Clinton can continue to raise money for unpaid bills, as long as contributors clearly designate their contributions as being specially for retiring presidential campaign debt. There's no time limit on how long a candidate can carry debt.

The campaign retired a few hundred thousands dollars of debt in October after bringing in $774,299 last month.

Clinton lost all opportunities to get back the $13.1 million in personal money she loaned the campaign. Campaign finance law restricts the amount of time a candidate can pay back personal loans in an effort to limit candidates from self-financing campaigns. Clinton needed to pay herself back by the final day of the Democratic convention.

If Clinton accepts the position of Secretary of State, or some other post in the Obama administration, she would be barred by The Hatch Act of 1939 from soliciting and receiving political contributions. The Clinton campaign organization, however, can continue to raise money for the purpose of retiring debt even if the senator accepts an appointed position in government. Raising a small amount of money from loyal donors without help from Clinton might be doable, but raising $7.5 million without the candidate seems like a tall order.

Campaign finance law is pretty flexible in a candidate's ability to retire debt after a presidential election is over and a little innovative campaign treasury maneuvering could yield a faster way for Clinton to erase most of the remaining debt. On August 28, Clinton's Senate account received $6.4 million in contributions that were first designated for the presidential campaign for use in the general election. That money could theoretically be transferred back to the presidential campaign and used to knock out vendor debt.

The Clinton presidential campaign this week was still hunting for help with unpaid bills, sending supporters an e-mail asking for money.

Her Senate campaign committee, which had $6 million in the bank at the end of September, could agree to pay off her presidential campaign debts.

The Senate account received $6.5 million in donations from supporters who initially had given the money to finance Clinton's general-election campaign had she won the Democratic presidential nomination. They gave the money instead to her Senate campaign rather than request a refund.

link

Hillary's debt still exists, and she did transfer the funds from her Presidential campaign her Senate campaign.

[wyldwolf]

1. your concern is just... staggering.

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[Beacool]

42. This chick is such a bore!!!!

She's like a dog with a bone. If it wasn't so funny by now, it would be simply pathetic.

:crazy:

:7

[Whisp]

84. what is truly pathetic is so many willing to sweep the clinton messes under the rug!

good lord,
I thought it was repubs that were the totally blindly loyal

[niceypoo]

2. Do you talk about anything other than Hillary?

God help you, psychologically, if she accepts the SOS job. You have ranted about her for a solid year now. At what point does concern morph into obsession?

Psssssssssst! Obama won!

[wyldwolf]

4. sure she does... Bill.

[grantcart]

8. She shows considerable restraint

Nothing about Chelsea . . . .yet.

[QC]

79. Just give her time.

And after Chelsea, there's always Socks the Cat.

[LostinVA]

7. No -- and this is at least the second OP on this today from this poster

Uisbg the Washington Times as a source.

[ProSense]

12. Do you ever respond to any of my posts that aren't about Hillary?

Shiite protesters burn Bush effigy in Baghdad square to protest security pact.

President-elect Obama's weekly address: 2.5 million jobs

Kerry "Will lead panel that thrust him to fame in '71"

KATHLEEN PARKER TAKES ON THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT....

Obama and Congress: Up Close and Personal

Any of them?

[PresidentObama]

I have, and the poster is correct--you're obsessed with Clinton bashing.

This isn't Free Republic, by the way.

[ProSense]

15. "This isn't Free Republic, by the way." Since you insist on making this about me,

Weren't you tombstoned once? I remember you posted about it.

[PresidentObama]

19. Your point? Does that change anything about your anti-Clinton posts?

Or are you just trying to change the subject?

:)

[ProSense]

21. "Or are you just trying to change the subject?" You mean the subject of this thread is

little old me, not Hillary's debt?

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[Jim Sagle]

38. Let's hope their aim is better this time.

[PresidentObama]

40. LOL n/t

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[mtnsnake]

44. "Weren't you tombstoned once?"

I don't remember if he was or wasn't, but weren't you suspended from DU at least once, yourself?

Most likely it was for doing the same thing you're doing now, running the Clintons into the earth 24/7. Once in a while you throw in something else, just for looks. lol

[ProSense]

46. "but weren't you suspended from DU at least once" Nothing to hide

Get your facts straight, I have never been suspended. There isn't a rule against posting news.
Deal with it or ignore it.

[mtnsnake]

53. Hey, that's why I asked. Just the same, I thought

that you were forced to take a leave of absence for a while a year or so ago, but if you say you weren't, then I apologize for being wrong about that particular thing.

There isn't a rule against posting news.
Deal with it or ignore it.

There's a difference between posting factual news and outright blogger's opinions, which is what you do almost all of the time.

There's also a difference between being objective and spending every waking minute searching for ONLY the crap that's negative about the Clintons, most of it coming from bloggers who are responsible for as much mis-information as information. It's amazing that you can't find something better to do than to search the cracks and crevices for any dirt you can find about the Clintons.

[ProSense]

56. "There's a difference between posting factual news and outright blogger's opinions"

Bloomberg and ABC News are "blogger's opinions"?

[mtnsnake]

61. Are you saying your lead-in Clinton bashfest article isn't from a blogger?

Funny how it says "BLOGS" right above the article. All the networks have blogs now, and most of the blogs are just opinionaters like yourself. You just happen to search for all the ones that have nothing but negative views about the Clintons, but you fail miserably when it comes to posting any of the countless positive opinions about them.

[ProSense]

63. Clinton May Need to Pay Off Debt Before Taking Post

Clinton May Need to Pay Off Debt Before Taking Post

It's screaming, "click me."

[mtnsnake]

70. Good for her. I see you sidestepped the question, I guess because you know I was right

that your lead-in article is just a blogger's opinion, contrary to it being "real news" as you implied above.

As far as Hillary needing to pay off her debt before taking any post, I couldn't care less if she takes the post or not. In fact, I've already posted more than once that I didn't think she'd take it and that she just doesn't need the aggrevation of putting up any more hatred that she's already been subjected to from the Right Wing in the past...and now from some of her own people, besides, who mostly are just jealous of her incredible success as a politician. Obama doesn't need this aggrevation either, but he's a good guy and going to do what's right. Anyway, it's a good thing that DU doesn't reflect how mainstream Democratic America feels about her. If you want to spend every waking hour bashing the Clintons, this is the place to do it, so knock yourself out.

[sufrommich]

17. Wouldn't it be better to just stop feeding the OP's weird cry for

attention every 15 minutes?

[ProSense]

23. You should have taken your own advice, or were you trying to call attention to yourself? n/t

[karynnj]

68. What a troll like charge

The OP's posts are never Free Republic like - and unlike many "flamebait" threads of yours, hers are informative.

Here, the numbers on HRC's debt and her Senate fund are together - unlike in most posts where only one is shown. I wonder if the FEC might be able to get the funds and the depts in one place - resulting in only the difference being the dept - and that is an amount that likely could. (I assume she can't have teh leadership PAC as SoS.

[bvar22]

81. Nor do they respond with rebuttal.....

...only personal attacks.

Oh Well, Low expectations for the Low Information voters.

[TheWraith]

3. Kicked and recommended.

The complaints that follow any mention of the Clinton's many negatives reminds me of the complaints from the right about criticism of Bush: anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "Bush hater."

[jobycom]

9. the complaints themselves should remind you of Ted Olson and The Arkansas Project.

[TheWraith]

69. Do you deny the factuality of the issues people are talking about?

Dubious FEC filings, negative campaigning, support for the Bush foreign policy... all of these things are on the record problems, not made up trash.

[JVS]

5. She needs to write another check and quit being a deadbeat.

[S_E_Fudd]

10. Wow...I am blown away by this...

A campaign in debt....

Man whan has that EVER happened before? Surely Hillary is the first based on the amount of ink it gets...

A stunning, mind-blowing revelation...

Thanks for digging this up...

:sarcasm:

[NoodleyAppendage]

14. A campaign in debt is not the issue. Clinton attempting to subvert FEC rules to get out of debt is.

You know what the real problem is, but you are too clouded by Clinton love to see it clearly.

J

[wyldwolf]

16. FEC rules have been subverted?

Where? How?

[NoodleyAppendage]

27. By pushing the date for her campaign secessation back on flimsy reasoning to meet the deadline.

She's pulling typical Clinton semantics bullshit by claiming that suspension is "legally meaningless" and then claiming that she didn't stop her campaign even AFTER she had publicly endorsed Obama. She might not run afoul legally, but you and I both know that she's being a WEASEL and using legal tactics to get around the spirit of the FEC rules and regulations.

J

[wyldwolf]

29. FEC rules have been subverted?

Where? How?

[NoodleyAppendage]

33. Did you not read my post? Oh, that's right. That would require you to discuss the issue.

I noted that she might be able to skirt the law, but just because someone can get around a law via a loophole doesn't make it the ethical thing to do.

Character is what you do when others aren't watching. Character is doing what is right, not just what is legal.

[wyldwolf]

43. oh, subverted like this?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/05/rnc_to_file_fec_complaint_on_o.html

Or is this "different?" :rofl:

At least the Washington Post isn't a freeper site. LOL!

[NoodleyAppendage]

47. Please point to where what in that story is false. But, you won't because your are deluded.

Yes, I understand that the Times has a slant due to its Moonie ownership, but could you please point to the factual inaccuracies in the story? I'd be willing to capitulate if something is false, but aside from just dismissing news I don't like because it doesn't fit into my world view, I tend to be more critical in my thinking. You should try it sometime.

J

[wyldwolf]

48. I've not claimed anything is false, my claim is it's irrelevant

[NoodleyAppendage]

51. Bullshit. You are denying the Times story because it is a Times story...not based upon the content.

Now, again...please point to the factual inaccuracies in the Times article. I'll be more than happy to concede the point that there's nothing to this Clinton/FEC story if you can provide a reason...other than the Times is as you put it, "a Freeper paper."

J

[wyldwolf]

54. all that and you have ESP, too!

[S_E_Fudd]

32. Please quote the specific FEC rule that was broken...nt

[NoodleyAppendage]

35. Read...if you can.

The former first lady made the $6.4 million transfer from her White House campaign, which remains more than $7 million in debt, to Friends of Hillary on Aug. 28. That date would fall outside the legal deadline for making such a move if her campaign were to have ended June 7.

Her campaign treasurer told federal regulators that Mrs. Clinton spent more than a quarter-million dollars engaging in "vigorous political activity" throughout June, according to newly released FEC filings.

"The committee continued to actively contest for delegates at the state and local delegate-selection events during the month of June," campaign treasurer Shelly Moskwa wrote in a letter to the FEC dated Nov. 20. "Nothing in Senator Clinton's remarks indicated that she was withdrawing from the race.

"While she indicated that she was suspending her campaign, the term 'suspension' has no legal meaning," Ms. Moskwa wrote.

Precisely when Mrs. Clinton, who is expected to be Mr. Obama's secretary of state nominee, dropped out of the Democratic presidential primaries is emerging as an important legal question for FEC regulators examining the transfer of funds. Such transfers are legal if donors give their permission, and the Clinton campaign has said donors indeed authorized the move.

Still, such transfers also must take place within 60 days of when a candidate withdraws from the race, according to FEC rules. The Aug. 28 transfer date fell more than 80 days after her June 7 concession to Mr. Obama, in which she told supporters in Washington that "we must elect Barack Obama our president. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him."

[wyldwolf]

45. no, he/she can't quote the specific rule

[NoodleyAppendage]

49. There is a rule. I just don't have my FEC guidebook handy.

Again, would you please point out the factual inaccuracies in the Times story??

J

[wyldwolf]

50. then you can't quote it. LOL

And, again, I've not denied anything from the story. It's just completely irrelevant.

[NoodleyAppendage]

52. How is Clinton skirting an FEC rule as DETAILED in the Times report, not relevant???

This is going no where because you are an idiot.

J

[wyldwolf]

55. where does the MOONIE TIMES article say she's broken a rule?

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[wyldwolf]

58. lol. BRILLIANT reply.

[S_E_Fudd]

67. They just can't let it go can they...?

A non-issue, issue...

Wonder what the reaction would be if we used the Moonie Times to criticize Obama...

I'm sure the response would be "Fair and Balanced"

[paulk]

72. their reaction would be to flood the mods with alerts

getting your thread locked and possibly getting you tombstoned

at least that's how it worked during the primaries

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[JVS]

13. Preach it Noodles!

[AtomicKitten]

65. seconded

:bounce:

[Max_powers94]

18. Yeah I have been thrown under the bus and train

[LostinVA]

20. Calling out the Mods???

[Max_powers94]

22. WHo called out the Mod????????

[LostinVA]

30. I believe you just may have

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. In what way?

I saw no mention of mods.

[JVS]

34. Trumping up charges where none exist. I expected better of you.

[NoodleyAppendage]

36. When you've got nothing substantial to say for your side...calling the cops is the only option. n/t

J

[Blu Dahlia]

37. typical behavior from that poster

[LostinVA]

39. ?????

His earlier thread was lcoked, and that is what I thought his post was referring to. I ahve no idea why you just insulted me.

[terrya]

93. Consider the source.

[Blu Dahlia]

24. begging for money from the little people when she could

theoretically retire most of the debt herself. That is dishonorable if you ask me. I don't trust her anymore after reading that.

[NoodleyAppendage]

28. I'm sure all of the Clinton DU devotees around here would be willing to give her cash.

All the Clinton apologists around here need to pony up the cash to help her out...come on! Put your money where your mouth is and show other DUers that you are people of principle and conviction. Do it!

J

[SIMPLYB1980]

41. OH NOES!

I'm sure this will destroy her before she is named SOS!
:rofl:

Obama knew this wasn't a problem before he even started vetting her.

[EFerrari]

59. 2 links found last night. I don't think they're as comprehensive as yours

but, this is what was there, anyway:


State: HRC’s ticket to debt forgiveness?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15759.html


Hillary Clinton's campaign debts would wait if she joined administration

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/19/america/20clinton.php

[Zuiderelle]

62. We need a Hillary bashing group. And then just summarily ban anyone who joins it for being annoying

[ClarkUSA]

64. Stop with the victim routine and the demonization of critics. We had enough of it under Bush II.

As far as I know, the Clintons are not above reproach. Far from it.

[Zuiderelle]

73. Victim routine? LOL! That's funny.

[ClarkUSA]

74. It is funny to see how many whiners and moaners there are whenever the Clintons are critiqued.

Fortunately, those who play the victim card remind the rest of us how fortunate we are that Barack won the presidency. :)

[Zuiderelle]

77. It certainly IS funny to see how many whiners and moaners there are critiquing the Clintons.

[ClarkUSA]

89. Nah, we're just speaking truth to power, as Obama did throughout the primaries and GE.

That's how he won, with his supporters' help. Clintonians tried to get him to shut up, too, but that didn't work on Barack
and it won't work on us at DU, either.

Having lived through eight years of Republican wingnuts accusing liberals of Bush bashing, constant DLC Clintonian whining
about "Hillary bashing" sounds identical in intent and arrogance. HillBill are not above reproach. Far from it. And we all
know that from past and present history, so why pretend otherwise? Talk about Republican-lite denial. It's Hillaryous!

:party:Obama is 44. Hillary lost. McCain lost. And doesn't it feel good! :woohoo:

[Splinter Cell]

94. AMEN TO THAT!

[ProSense]

76. We need a group for the annoying comments whining about "Hillary bashing"

Those would actually be hilarious in isolation.

Also, it would ensure that those who have legigimate criticism of Hillary and those who want to defend her without attacking other posters can actually engage in a whine-free discussion.

[terrya]

92. I agree.

I can think, right off the top of my head, of 3 regular DU'ers who deserve to be banned simply because of their snarky, annoying attitudes and their blind hatred of Hillary.

[BootinUp]

66. Concerns for whom? nt

[rug]

71. This is an improvement over your embezzlement thread.

[BrotherBuzz]

75. Jefferson the first Secretary of State died....

in debt. :shrug:

[LostinVA]

78. Which is probably the main reason he didn't free his slaves

[morningglory]

80. Solution: her 18m voters could send her $0.50 each and voila! Or were

her 18m voters republics participating in Rush's operation ciaos?

[LostinVA]

82. What is "operation ciaos"?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

83. Maybe a group goodbye? It would be nice, eh?

ciao :fistbump:

[QC]

85. Something Italian, one would suspect. n/t

[morningglory]

86. Rush Limp Balls' Operation Chaos, where he asked his dittoheads to vote

for Hillary. Freepers posted "there will be ciaos when the USA finds out Obama is not a natural born citizen after the inauguration..."

[mtnsnake]

87. "Or were her 18m voters republics participating in Rush's operation ciaos?

:wtf:

[LostinVA]

95. I guess I'm a Republican mole

[dailykoff]

88. Yes, there certainly are.

What Rahm isn't telling his new boss is that he might be facing a tough reelection if he's foolish enough to cast his presidency under a big cloud of Clinton stink.

[ProSense]

90. Hillary's FEC Report

through October

It's curious that Hillary didn't do everything possible to remove her debt as an issue.

[wisteria]

91. She is trying to get around the system and keep the money- pure and simple.

Will it matter to Obama- probably not at all.

[davidpdx]

96. People need to start focusing on beating down Obama

before he gets into office and leave Hillary alone. She won't be an issue when DU leads an impeachment campaign against him the day after Obama is sworn in. I mean half of the people on DU think Obama has screwed up so bad already, that he's lied or broken promises. While we are at it, I think we ought to change the name of the site to www.beatupfellowdems.com for good measure.

:sarcasm: