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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:18 PM
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"Aw Jeez, not THIS shit again"


DUO TAKE OBAMA BIRTH CHALLENGE TO COURT

Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:57 AM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: Courts, 2008 Obama

From NBC’s Pete Williams
When the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court meet on Dec. 5th, in their regular private conference to decide which cases to hear, two lawsuits that have captivated a segment of the blogosphere will be up for discussion.

Both urge the court to consider claims that President-elect Obama is not qualified to be president, because he is not a natural-born American citizen.

Persistent concerns about the qualifications of both major party candidates rank among the oddest aspects of 2008's historic campaign.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen" is eligible to be president. John McCain's status was questioned because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and various theories have been advanced to cast doubt on Obama's.

Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg claims that the circumstances of Obama's birth are vague and that he may have been born in Kenya. Obama's mother, Berg asserts, later flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Leo Donofrio, a New Jersey lawyer, contends that election officials in his state failed to ensure that only legally qualified candidates were placed on the ballot. Obama may have been born in the United States, Donofrio argues, but "natural born" status depends on both parents being American citizens. Obama's father was Kenyan.

The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue claiming a violation of the Constitution.

In dismissing Berg's complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because he couldn't show how the inclusion of Obama's name on the ballot would cause him -- apart from others -- some particular harm. Berg's stake, the judge said, "is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters."

Other courts presented with similar challenges have reached the same conclusion, ruling that there is no general legal right to sue over the Constitution's eligibility requirements. Federal courts typically reject claims of legal standing based simply on a litigant's status as a voter or taxpayer.

The Obama campaign had hoped to end the controversy last spring by releasing his actual Hawaii birth certificate. But that prompted further questions about its authenticity, which were compounded when state authorities in Hawaii said they could not vouch for it, because they were constrained by the privacy laws.

Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has "Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record," which shows that he was born there.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/26/1689515.aspx
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:25 PM
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1. Jesus H. Christ. Here's what the Constitution reads on this matter:
"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

Are they suggesting that he's hatched? Or that being born in Hawaii is artificial?

Jeez is right. This argument is made for, well, let me predict: Selling a book.

We'll see.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:28 PM
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2. This is Area 57, The Grassy Knoll, Chem Trails, and 9/11 Truthers
all wrapped up in once nice neat rightwingnut package.

The beauty is, any wingnut (I'm looking at YOU, Pete Williams) who mentions it is easily labeled a tinfoil hat nutter from now on.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:37 PM
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7. Berg is a 9/11 truther btw
which makes his efforts even more hilarious.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:57 PM
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11. Don't forget about the income tax! Passed in the middle of the night, behind closed doors.... n/t
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:46 PM
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18. It's a twofer or a threefer of fourfer. It's a seefer! (French pronunciation) n/t
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:31 PM
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3. asshats... he's a natural born citizen no matter where he mother gave birth /nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:34 PM
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4. Aw Jeez, not THIS shit again"
Someone did the same post that has 50 replies and its on the
same page as the one you just posted. so yes,, Aw Jeez, not THIS shit again"
you just added to the shit again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7929987&mesg_id=7929987
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:36 PM
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5. word. nt
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:53 PM
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9. I hear you, BUT...
...if I had a dollar for every time I did a search before posting a thread and then saw a one, two, three people posting the same thing right behind me, I'd be laughing my ass off at the "down economy" as I sat on some beach in the Caribbean, sipping fruity rum drinks out of a pineapple.

My reaction to the "THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED" replies, unfortunately, always falls short of genuine repentance. If the worst thing that happened today is that someone read my shit TWICE, then I hereby declare the world HEALED.

:patriot:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:18 PM
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12. You normally post decent things
its just that it was rehashed here by about 3 other threads too.

GDP does that all the time which is one my pet peeves about GDP but Nat Silver predicted
that would happen anyway.

The guy that printed the story was a Dick Cheney aide
and he doesn't even have a law degree.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:55 PM
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10. I can't see that thread
not even when clicking on your link.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:34 PM
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16. Again, and again, and again...
What's it been now, a week? With what? 10 threads a day?

I think I have more threads hidden than I have on the screen.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:36 PM
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6. I love that article!!!
It just rips all those guys a new one...
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 08:41 PM
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8. I'll be your huckleberry
:)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 09:58 PM
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13. We need a separate Obama Birth Certificate Controversy Forum
for posting this repetitious, debunked CRAP.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:09 PM
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14. Phil and Leo, prove that Obama WASN'T born in Hawaii.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:32 PM
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15. I will pose this question again to all freepers and anyone else:
If Obama was born in Kenya, how did Hawaii end up with all this paperwork they now possess?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 10:39 PM
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17. IT's a conspiracy I tells ya
I love how Freeperland has made this a litmus test for membership. There are Freepers who posted on teh sight for a decade who have been zotted for daring to question the veracity of this tinfoil hat nuttery.
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