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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:57 AM
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Anti-terror law requires God be acknowledged
Source: Lexingon Herald-Leader

Under state law, God is Kentucky's first line of defense against terrorism.

The 2006 law organizing the state Office of Homeland Security lists its initial duty as "stressing the dependence on Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth."

Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/210/v-print/story/608229.html



Religion is going to kill us all. This is where religious tolerance has gotten us.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 10:59 AM
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1. this is a fucked up law and should be challenged
having said that, what is the alternative to religious tolerance? And no, it's not religion that will kill us all, it's human nature. If it weren't religion it would be something else.
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:06 AM
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3. You make a god point
And I have wrestled with that one for years. However, I see the problem as never questioning religion and failing to point out with a high degree of probability that it is mythology. We don't place the burden on them to prove it. The phrases "person of faith" and "values voters"are almost said with a certain type of reverence. By "non-tolerance" I believe that it is necessary to point out the facts, hammer them with facts, for to just sit back and say or do nothing will bring on the end of the world. We must not be afraid to parade the ludicrousness of, and cruelty brought upon by, their beliefs for all to see.

Well, that's the short version. =)
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:22 AM
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4. K&R (mainly for this post)
:thumbsup:


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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:32 AM
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7. facts + religion = undefined.
You can hammer the faithful all day with facts. Facts don't sway faith.

The only way to change people of faith is to get them to question their faith, which requires you to foster in them a sense of universal curiosity. However, you cannot teach curiosity to an adult; it is learned as a child. So, encourage today's children to be curious and questioning; otherwise, they will create a world of intolerance and fear.
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Dis Pater Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:29 PM
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16. "..for to just sit back and say or do nothing will bring on the end of the world."
I'm placing the burden on you to prove your statement.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:11 AM
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24. Well said. nm
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freesqueeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:06 AM
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2. God is vital to security?
I am wondering what religious DUers think about this one.

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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:14 PM
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13. Religious DUer who think that's bullshit.
:hi:
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:42 PM
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17. Stupid
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 12:42 PM by Irishonly
Not all Christians are wing nuts. We accept other faiths and atheists without condemning. We accept there are other ways to get to heaven. A wing nut will thing Gandhi is in hell. A liberal Christian will say to think Gandhi is in hell is nonsense. BTW, Billy Graham could be ostracized these days because he said there was more than one path to heaven.

I do not take the Bible literally. Parables are not facts.

On Thanksgiving, my oven decided to get stupid. God didn't get the oven to work, my dh did.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:19 AM
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30. I think anyone who buys that...
Probably doesn't know their god very well. Look what that fucker's been doing to the Jews for the past three thousand years, after all. God is necessary for protection? Yeah, sure him and Don Corleone, best sources of "protection" you could ask for...
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pyro858 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:30 AM
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5. Too bad god is just pretend
Silly fools!
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:34 AM
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9. Maybe God is real and WE are pretend. n/t
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:08 PM
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12. I am real and everything else, everything, is just a fig newton of
my imagination.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:45 PM
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18. I prefer apple newtons.
I eat, therefore, I am.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:13 AM
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26. Always loved the fig newton. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:12 AM
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25. I prefer, gullible chuckle-heads. nm
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:32 AM
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6. And it's a DEMOCRAT who's pushing this!
The time and energy spent crediting God are appropriate, said Riner, D-Louisville, in an interview this week.



"This is recognition that government alone cannot guarantee the perfect safety of the people of Kentucky," Riner said. "Government itself, apart from God, cannot close the security gap. The job is too big for government."


Good grief.

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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:33 AM
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8. delete
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 11:34 AM by Common Sense Party
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:35 AM
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10. Manifest Destiny still on the march.



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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:46 AM
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11. As if there's anything in Kentucky
that a terrorist group would bother with.

:eyes:

Think a lot of themselves, don't they?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:15 PM
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15. Well, those terrible Muslims might want to murder Kentucky's children of God. ;)
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steelyboo Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 05:29 PM
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21. well
There's Ft. Knox, former home to a large armor group, new home to a large scale infantry training center, oh yeah and the gold vault.. then their is Ft Campbell, home to the 82nd Airborne, you might have heard of them. But, hey, its just easier to make fun of us hillbillies. I coulda swore that flag in your post represented a group that wants tolerance for all; you must still be in the remedial group.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 07:04 PM
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22. Excuse me?
I live in West Virginia, born and raised, and my grandmother's family is from Kentucky. I'm not some ignorant outsider beating up on the "rednecks" without knowing what I'm talking about. Before you start casting judgement and putting words in my mouth that I DID NOT SAY, you might want to find out whether you're making an ass of yourself or not.

And for the record--Fort Bragg NORTH CAROLINA is the "Home" of the 82nd Airborne. Before you start pontificating, you might want to make sure that you're actually *correct.*

http://www.bragg.army.mil/

Furthermore, the idea of terrorists choosing to bomb a gold depository is completely absurd. The point of terrorism is to inspire fear. Setting off a bomb that kills a handful of soldier guards isn't going to terrify people very much. In case you hadn't noticed, those domestic terrorist assholes target civilians and/or national politicians, not soldiers.

But thank you so much for proving my original point.

:eyes:

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:19 AM
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31. Fort Campbell is "Kentucky in Name Only"
Most of Fort Campbell is in Tennessee; if Division Headquarters was on the other side of the street immediately to the south of it, it would be Fort Campbell, Tennessee.

Oh yeah...the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) is at Fort Campbell. The 82d Airborne is at Fort Bragg, NC.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 11:52 AM
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34. I live in Delaware and would think nothing of a statement to the
effect that terrorists have nothing to go after in little Delaware. Right after 911 I thought we needed to get over ourselves about the possibility of terrorist attack here.

for the record, nothing you've named was dramatic enough for the 911 terrorists.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:32 AM
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32. fort knox? nt
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:15 PM
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14. While I think this law is stupid, religion isn't going away anytime soon.
So decrying 'religious tolerance' is kind of stupid.
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cambie Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:19 PM
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19. jackasses
So now half of the population knows that they are incapable of thinking logically and unwilling to take responsibility as they will blame it on god after they mess up. People might also dislike paying taxes to support these holy stormtroopers of the phony war-on-terror. What would you bet that the place is full of their incompetent righteous buddies all draining the public funds? Can you still afford this?

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prole_for_peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 04:24 PM
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20. Wow. This reads like something from the Onion. nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:08 AM
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23. Typo. It was supposed to say "A Mighty Dog . . ."
Seeing as how it's Kentucky you would have thought they'd have said " A Mighty Horse."

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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 01:33 AM
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27. This is stupidity on a galactic scale.
There simply aren't words to adequately describe people this dumb.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:02 AM
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28. Depends which one
If I had the choice between Chertoff's muppets or a enraged Kālī, I know who I'd be phoning in a crisis.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 02:07 AM
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29. Why must their invisible friends be involved....?
This is blasphemy!! it should read "stressing the dependence on Almighty FSM as being vital to the security of the noodle."
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 10:38 AM
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33. Doesn't such dependence demand that we look upon victims as somehow less favored by
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 10:42 AM by WinkyDink
God and thus, less worthy of human help?
Perhaps the Mumbai dead had simply not "depended on God" enough?
And this is the totally same way of thinking as held by the terrorists.

IOW---OMG!! It's as if The Enlightenment had not only never occurred, but that its proponents had not been, you know, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS!

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