Obama team repackaging Clinton after campaign digs

[ProSense]

Obama team repackaging Clinton after campaign digs

By NANCY BENAC, Associated Press Writer Nancy Benac, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – It wasn't too long ago that Barack Obama and his advisers were tripping over one another to tear down Hillary Rodham Clinton's foreign policy credentials. She was dismissed as a commander in chief wanna-be who did little more than sip tea and make small talk with foreign leaders during her days as first lady.

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Now, Clinton is on track to become Obama's secretary of state.

And, unsurprisingly, the sniping at her foreign policy credentials is a thing of the past.

Obama adviser William Daley over the weekend said Clinton would be "a tremendous addition to this administration. Tremendous."

Senior adviser David Axelrod called Clinton a "demonstrably able, tough, brilliant person."

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Greg Craig, selected to serve as White House counsel in the Obama administration, delivered a withering attack during the primaries on Clinton's claims that she could rightfully share in the credit for some of the foreign policy successes of her husband's presidency.

"She did not sit in on any National Security Council meetings when she was first lady," Craig insisted in one conference call. He went on to knock down Clinton's claims to influence in the Northern Ireland peace process, opening borders for refugees during the war in Kosovo, and making a dangerous visit to Bosnia.

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It also should be said that some of the wounds to Clinton's foreign policy credentials during the primaries were self-inflicted, most famously her inflated account of the drama associated with a visit she made to Bosnia.

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[Metric System]

1. ANOTHER Clinton thread?

[niceypoo]

13. This OP starts 1/3 of them

His life revolves around her.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

22. My RW relatives are still trying to discredit the Clintons, I believe there are 2 reasons for this:

1) It makes their boy, Bush, not look so bad.

2) They are trying to sabotage any sort of successful political future the Clintons' may have.

These RW relatives of mine pounded on the Clintons' when they were the President and First Lady, and they haven't stopped pounding on them.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

45. Mine too. My father especially hates the Clintons. (He hates Obama just as much).

He's basically just a hateful person!

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[Captain Hilts]

2. The AP has turned into a right wing opinion distributor. Get another hobby Prosense. nt

[Metric System]

3. It's funny that there are so many Hillary-related threads on GD:P and the majority of them are

usually started by the Usual Suspects. They start more threads on Hillary than any of her supporters here.

[Captain Hilts]

5. It's kind of sad. nt

[niceypoo]

14. Makes you wonder what their real life is like

Obsession is a mental disorder

Just counted eight threads on GDP page one with the word "Hillary" in the title. Six of them are from this OP.

Someone need a mental reboot

[ProSense]

38. What's your real life like that leaves you making quack pyschological diagnosis on a message board?

n/t

[TankLV]

54. good observation - I hope he takes your advise and seek professional help...

[Whisp]

41. if all the Lanny Davis' didn't crawl out of their holes and visit here

again to prop the SoS head of state thing (L•O•L),there would be a lot less friction and more real discussion.

but no, they come out like gophers when the order is emailed out, and call everyone haters that disagree with them that Hillary is the queen of peace and the arm of justice and prsperity in all universes, known and unknown.

just say 'Tuzla' - a proof in stone of how the Clintons lie and manipulate and make shit up out of nothing just accepting everyone is dumber than they are... and there heads pop up with the 'get over it' line like the Bush cronies used when they couldn't think of any way to defend the chimp. simply amazing how similar the mode of operations are...

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[AtomicKitten]

4. How do you repackage lying about Tuzla and the Ireland peace process?

that's her own damn fault

[Upton]

6. You don't

...Hillary as SoS is a bad idea.

[AtomicKitten]

7. a really bad idea for many reasons

I am appalled by her hawkishness, but I have to say that the inevitable 24/7 Clinton drama is a monster impediment for Obama. He also met with Richardson and Kerry that we know of, so I'll actually believe it when Obama announces it.

[GarbagemanLB]

9. Would you like Kerry as S.O.S.?

[AtomicKitten]

10. I'll accept whomever Obama chooses but, yes, I like Kerry or Richardson for SoS.

[GarbagemanLB]

12. He isn't exactly a dove when it comes to foreign policy...

[AtomicKitten]

16. I'm happy Obama did not vote for the war, but at least Kerry said he was wrong.

[Beacool]

27. Obama wasn't even in the senate back in 2002

and the speech he gave does not quite equate with actually having been in the chamber at the time. Easy to judge from afar..........

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

29. Obama came out against the war while he was running for office.

If you want to crack heads on this, Clinton not only voted for the war but her hawkish cries of "Obliterate Iran!" hardly make her the picture of a person with a level head.

[Beacool]

71. Come on Kitten, you are being simplistic and you know it.

You know the kind of bull they were fed in the senate by the CIA and the WH. As for Iran, that was in response to a question about Iran attacking Israel with nuclear weapons (if they ever have them).

;)

[AtomicKitten]

73. 21 Dems & 1 Independent & 1 Repub got it right on the IWR.

And there is no excuse for uttering the hawkish phrase "obliterate Iraq." The only upside of her being SoS is that she and husband will be on a short leash.

Stop making excuses for "your girl."

Voted no IWR:
Akaka (D-HI),
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR).
Chafee (R-RI)
Jeffords (I-VT)

[Beacool]

75. I prefer my "girl" to your "boy", so both of us will have to adapt.

For the record, I would have preferred if she stayed in the senate where she was independent and had her own power base. But, it's her decision.........

[AtomicKitten]

77. "My boy" is PE Barack Obama and he's in charge.

works for me

[Beacool]

79. Well, I'm holding judgment until he actually does the job.

For all our sakes, I hope that he's successful. If not, we are all screwed.

[AtomicKitten]

80. On that we agree.

:fistbump:

[Beacool]

81. Yep, see I knew there was something we would agree on.

:7

[Zhade]

88. Careful, "boy" when referring to a black man is considered racist.

I know that's not your intent - just warning you.

At any rate, Obama won, and if clinton gets SoS she has to follow his orders or be fired. I kind of dig the idea of her being humbled under him after all the bullshit she threw at him in the primaries.

[Beacool]

93. Well, "girl" when referring to a grown woman is considered sexist.

Which wasn't mine or Kitten's intention.

As for Hillary, she'll work as a team with Obama to further his agenda. But, no one humbles Hillary and no one controls her either, not even her husband.

[Zhade]

87. BULLSHIT. Office of Special Plans. Do some basic research.

It's a LIE that everyone thought there were WMDs.

[karynnj]

64. Kerry is less hawkish than HRC

and likely more so than Richardson

[AtomicKitten]

74. I agree with your assessment. n/t

[rvablue]

40. A hypothetical for you, as I think Kerry is suited for the job.......

I wonder if Teresa Heinz Kerry was willing to have all of her personal and philanthropic finances sifted through?

I doubt it.

[karynnj]

66. They would have been - and they are far less a problem

1) Teresa Heinz Kerry does not get money from donors - thus no conflict of interest on that.

2) What the foundation gives money to is already public - as it legally has to be.

3) Her foundation funds projects to help the Pliladelpia area, woman's health, environmental toxins etc - all in this country - there is far less an issue that there could be a conflict of interest.

[JVS]

19. Evidence of creativity and "thinking outside the box"?

[AtomicKitten]

23. A monster dose of LSD?

[Zhade]

86. You can't. Proven lies are proven lies.

NT!

[dailykoff]

8. There's not enough lipstick in all of Arkansas

but good luck to them trying.

[Metric System]

11. Your comment is disgusting.

[Dinger]

17. Yes It Is

What's new?

[Beacool]

28. Some ARE disgusting.

They live to hate, just pity them. It's not worth the effort arguing with people whose minds are as dense as a block of cement.

:eyes:

[bridgit]

76. Yeah it is, and obnoxious behavior is being enabled

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. ROTFLMAO.....

:rofl:

I'm no Hillary fan, but I do trust PE Obama's judgement in these matters, so I'm just trying to prepare myself for the inevitable announcement. I really wish that Richardson had gotten the appointment, especially since he stuck his neck out in a fashion that got him into loads of trouble with the more rabid Clinton supporters. Being called a Judas on national television should be worth more than Sec of Commerce.

[dailykoff]

18. I'm getting the feeling that it might not happen.

I think Obama would be delighted to get the Clintons and their loyal army of aparatchiks working for him, but he's got to know they're still radioactive on the left, and if he gets enough flack for this he'll pull back like he did with the veep.

So, I'm working my second protest e-mail now.

[dailykoff]

20. Contact the transition team:

http://change.gov/page/content/contact/

[Beacool]

30. I don't know if that's just laughable or just plain pathetic.

Good luck with your campaign...........

:rofl:

[dailykoff]

31. It's better to light a candle

than curse the darkness, or as JFK put it in his 1960 acceptance speech to the Democratic Convention in Los Angeles: "We are not here to curse the darkness; we are here to light a candle."

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. No use arguing with "that one". They took a hiatus from DU, and the

place became liveable for awhile. It seems they've all returned with much the same vitriolic agenda as before. I swear, I was indifferent to HRC before the primaries, but her loyalists here made me absolutely despise her. And now that they've returned, I'm beginning to feel the same way I felt about her before Denver.

[dailykoff]

42. Here's the response I just got from the transition team:

Dear dailykoff,

Thank you for writing to us about the transition process. President-elect Obama
and Vice President-elect Biden set up the Obama-Biden Transition Project to make
sure their new administration is ready to hit the ground running on Inauguration
Day, January 20th. The Transition will work to develop details of the President-elect’s
policy agenda, help him choose senior administration staff, and review the current
functioning of government agencies.

Barack Obama is committed to running the most open and transparent transition in
history, and we hope you’ll visit our website often. For more information, please
refer to the following links:

For updates from Obama-Biden Transition Project, including video of President-elect
Obama’s weekly address, please click here:

http://www.change.gov/newsroom/blog/

To learn details about the Obama-Biden policy agenda and share your ideas, please
click here:

http://www.change.gov/agenda/

For the latest news about the President-elect’s and Vice-President elect’s preparations
to take office, please click here:

http://www.change.gov/newsroom/

We appreciate hearing from you and hope you will continue to visit and share your
thoughts. Although we may not be able to address each message individually, your
input and the input of millions of other Americans will continue to guide President-elect
Obama.

Again, thank you for your interest and we hope you will continue visiting our website.

Sincerely,
The Obama-Biden Transition Project

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. Cool. I guess it really can't hurt to write. But like I said, I'm prepared

for the worst. Like others here, I think it's a done deal. I mean the Clinton camp wasted no time in telling us how Bill was ready to curtail his activities, and to throw open his books for review. Maybe there's still a chance that there's something in Bill's business dealings that might be considered a conflict, and the diehards will just have to get over it.

[wyldwolf]

48. I just send a blank e-mail and got the same reply.

[dailykoff]

50. Since your name, address, and phone number are required,

I don't imagine they would have expected anything more.

[wyldwolf]

51. a name, address, and phone number are required, yes

[dailykoff]

56. And your e-mail address.

Your real one.

[Erin Elizabeth]

58. Oh Tarheel, you put into words so completely what I feel.

Every single word--indifferent to her/about her before the primaries. Her loyalists causing me to have such a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to her. And just when I could start to somewhat like her again, here comes all this shit. Now I'm back to hiding threads just like way back when.

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. I'm almost sorry for Hillary in a way. She probably has no idea that

people who supposedly "support" her are as rabid as the nuts at Sarah Palin rallies. I wish they had stuck to their self-imposed exile, it sure made DU a helluva lot more fun.

[Beacool]

70. Oh, because there aren't still hateful posts against Hillary?

Every day someone starts a negative thread against Hillary. Why should we have to accept it? You people make me laugh, you don't seem to want a democracy. You appear to want an authoritarian regime where only Obama and his supporters' voices are heard.

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. 'To the winner, go the spoils'? Hillary didn't win anything, and as far

as I know, second place doesn't guarantee you a thing. It's just tiresome that her loyalists seem to think that she is owed something.

[Zhade]

89. I don't. No one forced her to lie, repeatedly, about Tuzla/NAFTA/Northern Ireland/etc

She chose to lie.

[Beacool]

69. Ditto for us with Obama.

Some of you were so hateful, and still are, in your attacks of Hillary, Bill and their supporters that we returned the feelings in spade. You preferred Obama, we preferred Hillary. What's the problem?

[Erin Elizabeth]

83. Exceeeeeept that Obama appears to be our president elect, huh?

:eyes:

[Beacool]

68. Wrong, I never went anywhere.

I kept posting all along.

:D

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. Much luck to you in your efforts. I've tried to be as magnanimous as

PE Obama with regards to HRC, WJC, and Liebermann, but it ain't easy. I don't think I have as much problem with Hillary as with her "supporters". Some still think she was robbed, and felt that she was owed the VP slot, and those same folks are trying to make it impossible for Obama to select someone other than her for SOS.

Obama ran a tight, leakless ship for nearly two years, and suddenly when the Clintons become involved, there's a leak a minute. I wish someone would tell our last Democratic administration that it's not a cop out to just say "no comment". Obama's damned if picks her, and damned if he doesn't.

[dailykoff]

24. Thanks, I think they realize they're better off knowing now than

finding out after they appoint her that they made a huge blunder, so I think this might be an unofficial "public comment" period whether they're calling it that or not.

[MoonRiver]

52. Truth is, I was as surprised as you that she apparently has been picked for SoS.

I guess the difference is I was pleasantly surprised. :D

[wyldwolf]

47. like the "left" has had any influence on Obama so far

:eyes:

[dailykoff]

57. Look at it this way: we said no to Hillary as veep, and we were right.

If he'd gone with Hillary they would have clobbered us with Palin, the anti-Hillary. He dumped Hillary, they went with Palin anyway, and they got creamed. Whether or not the left had anything to do with that decision is debatable I suppose, but the fact remains that we were right.

[Zhade]

90. Like we usually are. Examples: Iraq war, bailout, b*s*' crimes...

NT!

[Starry Messenger]

92. That poster got served pizza today.

Just FYI.

[Beacool]

26. Oh, what a surprise................not

Another day, another Hillary thread. Girl, you really got to do something about this obsession of yours. Are you sure you're not channeling Tweety? By now you and him have become quite amusing.

:eyes:


:7

[ProSense]

33. Glad to be of service.

Did you enjoy the article? Any comment?

[Beacool]

72. Did I enjoy it?

It's just amusing in as much as it proves once again that politics is a game and every side throws B.S. during a campaign, later having to reign it in when it comes time to govern. Obama was just better at packing and marketing himself.


;)

[Hieronymus]

32. Funny, isn't it, the Clintonistas have ceased their attacks on Obama, too.

[S_E_Fudd]

36. Wouldn't be required had his team not lied about her in the first place...

I'm glad to see they have gotten beyond that...unlike many here..

[Tarheel_Dem]

39. Oh do tell? What were the lies exactly? nt

[PBS Poll-435]

37. If you don't get help at Charter...

nt

[wyldwolf]

44. the reverse would also be true if the roles were reversed

[Jennicut]

46. Does ProSense have anything else better to do?

[ProSense]

49. Do you have anything else better to do besides asking what I'm doing?

Anything?

[Jennicut]

67. Well, this isthe problem, I am not even a major Hillary supporter, voted Obama in the primaries

But I think you are dwelling on this constant Hillz stuff way too much. I get you don't like her, I get that some people love her. But if Obama picks her, she will have to carry out his policies or she won't have a job. I guess I don't like people seeing Obama as weak before he even takes office. He is not weak, he knows exactly what he is doing. Where would you want Hillary to be if you were president? On the outside possibly working against you or on hte inside having to dictate your policies to other countries?

[Zhade]

91. "she will have to carry out his policies or she won't have a job"

Which is actually kind of awesome. She has to takes his orders.

[Erin Elizabeth]

59. You know, he or she is not the only one who feels the way they do.

I'm glad *someone* isn't constantly kissing Hillary's ass all over the place. There's one person here who posts nothing but "OH YAY! HILLARY AS SOS WILL BE BRILLIANT!" Literally, that's all they ever post. All caps, too. So think of ProSense as a balance to that, as I for one am happy that balance is around.

[JVS]

63. Prosense actually posts on plenty of different topics. It's just that when certain topics arise...

the threads won't die.

[Forkboy]

60. Do the people who complain about Prosense remember the ignore button?

[JVS]

62. No. They also start lots of callout threads.

I have a feeling that they really don't want to ignore Prosense at all.

[nolabels]

55. With well thought out packaging anything can be made to look good

My father back in the sixties would often give gags for Christmas presents to people he didn't like. I still remember the horseshit pie wrapped like package of hard candy that he gave to his boss. The bosses whole family was gathered around watching each other open things up and that's when it really hit the fan. From that day on everybody always would snicker at pops when bad things came up to do because they all knew he really was on that special list :-)

[mkultra]

65. REPENTENCE

[mtnsnake]

78. Your jealousy of the Clintons gets the best of you every day, doesn't it

That has to suck.

[L0oniX]

82. Well it is easier to just bring back all the Clinton people than to come up with new people.

We don't the change to take up too much time do we and after all it is really too difficult to get people from outside the Washing DC insiders. Why waste the time? Just go for the Clinton gang. Job well done!

[MasonJar]

85. The Clintons are both brilliant. Obama is brilliant. I am looking forward to

another administration where ideas flow, unlike our past 8 miserable years, but reminiscent of the Clinton presidency. We, the people, benefit from leadership which is knowledgeable and respected for its focus on real erudition and substance...not ideology and sophistry.