isnt calling anyone who opposes your views a "hater"...

[SwampG8r]

kind of hateful?

in my experience we use what is within ourselves to define the world we see
if you are seeing hate from people who have a different opinion than your own....
i have argued,joked at and with,poked fun,made snarks and recieved all of these back in return
but not once have i felt that those i was talking to made their comments from a place of hate

it is a disservice to all of us to slam the word hate on any discussion you find personally offensive

i myself do not like boiled carrots i like raw carrots
i neither "love" one nor do i "hate" the other
i do not ascribe ones choices in carrots to love or hate
and if i find out you eat boiled carrots i do not have to label you as a "hater" because of it

i have been called a "hater" many times because of my difference in opinion

hate is a very personal emotion and i myself do not waste it on people or things i do not know
disgust
dislike
repulsion
i use these

none of these are hate either



eta:presidential content so as to appease all

barack obama promises to be the most able political force of recent times

[JeffR]

1. damn right

It's one of the worst and most common examples of intellectual dishonesty to be found here.

[SwampG8r]

4. holey schmoley

i must have my self meds right today if jeff agrees with me


now if i could only remember what it was......

[JeffR]

5. I invariably agree with you

even if I can't understand what you're saying.:silly:

[SwampG8r]

damn

i was hoping my meds were working but it may just be that yours arent

[roguevalley]

47. I mentioned on a thread something I had read about Karl Rove a

few years ago and I have been hammered ever since. Sometimes you can't pass on random information without getting crapped on. This place is menopausal.

[SOS]

53. It is, by definition, intellectually dishonest because it's a right-wing creation

The right assigned "Bush hater" to all Bush critics, starting with the freakish Charles Krauthammer in Time way back in 2003.
The goal was to portray anyone who disagreed with Shrub as mentally unbalanced.
The "hater" moniker is pure right-wing bullsh!t.

What Makes the Bush-Haters So Mad?
http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,487932,00.html

Loving the Bush Haters
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/345dcbff.asp

Big loss for the Bush haters
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/04/big_loss_for_the_bush_haters/

Bush Haters Losing Ground by Latest News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312379,00.html

Why they hate Bush so.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/wolfson200312010913.asp

[AtomicKitten]

2. it's designed to stifle dissent

[Skip Intro]

7. Like throwing the PUMA label around? nt

[AtomicKitten]

10. Like calling anybody that has legitimate issues with Clinton a hater.

[sufrommich]

11. Explain,please, why there are countless threads in

opposition to Hillary Clinton as SOS and virtually none opposed to Rahm Emanuel as COS,who by DU standards,seems to have as many "legitimate" issues as Clinton.

[JeffR]

12. You must have been taking a break from DU when Rahm was announced.

:wtf:

[sufrommich]

18. Did it go on for weeks? Daily? I check into DU almost daily,

there were very few threads about Emanuel and most were willing to trust Obama's reasons for picking him.There were no accusations of strong arm tactics or Machiavellian accusations.No worries that his "temperament" would cost Obama,no questioning of his motives or loyalties,no tut- tuting his naked ambition.Hillary Clinton has a whole set of euphemisms attached to her here that aren't seen with others just as ambitious as her. It's got nothing to do with her positions.

[AtomicKitten]

13. There were plenty of threads on Rahm Emanuel as CoS.

The difference being his supporters weren't pushing the issue whereas the Clinton First crowd here at DU have already crowned her SoS, the fact that Obama hasn't nominated anyone yet just a pesky detail to them.

I think it's pretty clear the degree of pushing is directly commensurate with the degree of push-back.

[sufrommich]

19. Again,you're talking about posters on DU,which makes me

think this has more to do with the primary battles here on DU than any real positions you object to or you would object to those same positions just as strongly with others in his administration.

[AtomicKitten]

41. it's political ideology as in DLC vs progressives

[11 Bravo]

39. Oh, bullshit. Your high priestess currently has seven threads on the front page and six of them ..

contain the words "Hillary" or "Clinton" in the title. The one that DOESN'T contain Hillary's name links to an article about one of her campaign advisers. That is a sickness and you are an enabler.

[AtomicKitten]

40. The Clinton First crowd push and push & are surprised when people push back.

This is a discussion board. If you have complaints about content, please feel free to contact the administration. Name-calling is against DU rules. Heard of "hide a thread?" Use it.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. Well, there's a big difference there

Putting Rahm Emanuel in as COS takes him out of of the Legislative environment where he might be promoting some "non Democratic" things, and instead putting him in a job where his temperament could be an asset to the President, since the Chief of Staff needs to be a "bulldog" to some extent.

On the other hand, Hillary as SOS could be an absolute disaster, as she has openly advocated the PNAC foreign policy from day one, through the Iraq War and Kyl Lieberman votes up to her declaration of her desire to "Obliterate Iran". She's not the one to deliver the message to the rest of the world that the PNAC playbook ain't the way we do business anymore. Either Richardson or Kerry would be better at that job. And of those two, Richardson would be the best, because he has the diplomatic experience, and no war vote to defend. Or that Constitutional problem about voting for a pay raise or whatever that's all about.

[SoCalDem]

36. Could be that Emanuel never attacked Obama or suggested that

he might be assassinated....and Rahm is not going to be the public face for american foreign policy..

Actually, if Rahm had been chosen as SoS, I WOULD have had a "problem" with it, because of the fact that he's Jewish, and most of our problems tend to be middle eastern (Muslim countries).

[jrockford]

45. Maybe people are more opposed to HRC as SOS than Emanuel as COS.

So what? I guess democracy is only good and appropriate if it supports HRC in every possible way and ignores her faults, flaws, etc.

[Skip Intro]

14. The hatred in this forum is real, as anyone who has spent just a few minutes here knows.

Yeah, there is a difference between having legit issues and hatred, but to deny the river of hateful attacks on Hillary, and Bill, Clinton in the last year, hell, even in just the last few days, is to be less than honest. It's there, and we all know it. And many times it extends to those who defend her. I know, I've been on the receiving end of it.

Here's a thread I replied to yesterday. Legit differences or hate? You tell me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7933963&mesg_id=7933963

[AtomicKitten]

15. The degree of the Clinton First pushing here at DU is directly commensurate with the push-back.

[Starry Messenger]

16. That got locked. n/t

[Enrique]

23. and the thread titled "I fucking hate her" was deleted from DU

but not before getting 100+ recs.

[JVS]

31. I checked the archives. It wasn't deleted.

[sufrommich]

24. I'm sure we'll see Obama thrown under the bus by some if

and when she's selected as SOS,you can already see it coming.

[Whisp]

28. I think that the fact Hillary voted for the Iraq war and

threatened to obliterate Iran is a damn good reason to think she is not SoS material unless you want the kind repugs always loved.

but I'm called a hater for that. It is a legitimate criticism as to her abilities and past poor judgements, but I'm called a hater for that.
She is not to be trusted, nor her husband, the both have lied to us on more than one occasion, but I'm called a hater for stating that.

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. That cannot be it, unless you have a different standard for Biden

[Whisp]

37. I have no problem with Biden

he's not a manipulative liar and when he apoligizes, I take it as sincere.
I don't like his error in judgement about the Iraq war either, but at least he's not a back stabbing viper that lowers himself to such depths as the Clintons did and I think he's the kind that actually learns from his mistakes and doesn't make them over and ovr again.

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. Oh brother.

"Manipulative liar." "Back stabbing viper." Versus "error in judgment."

I have to laugh and shake my head. This post is the epitome of what much of DU has become. Unreasonable in the double standard. Laughable in the factless conclusions that dehumanize and continue the hate.

[Enrique]

3. yes, that's true, but sometimes hater is the correct word

sometimes it's not just a difference of opinion, sometimes it's actually hate.

[fascisthunter]

6. Yup... seen it. Know Exactly what you are talking about

but then again, those who use that tactic reveal more about themselves than they realize.

You will notice the right wing uses this talking point because they truly have nothing else to say... it's as bad as questioning an American's patriotism for being independent minded and willing to criticize one's own government. Not sure if they understand this, but when you apply the word "hatred" to people due to a differing opinion, you insinuate that your point of view is somehow sacrosanct and must be wholly embraced. :crazy:

[cliffordu]

8. Don't be hatin'

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

20. Why ya' hatin?

You feel me? :hi:

Work with juvenile hall kids for four years, you pick up a few choice lines, fo shizzle!

My nizzle!

[cliffordu]

38. Yep. I worked with the little sweethearts 15 years ago in a juvenile hall, and then

in a treatment center for kids who couldn't get treatment anywhere else, do to circumstance or behavior.....

[NYC_SKP]

55. It's meaningful work, and rewarding....

...but it can be draining.

Weird shit goes on behind locked doors, staff involved.

Was that treatment center out here, related to the Byron place, or much later and a different deal?

[cliffordu]

57. Much later - at the Depaul youth treatment center in Portland Or, and then at

the Early Service and Intervention program at the Juvie .....we were allegedly the first in the US to really sort out substance abuse problems with street kids and bangers before adjudication.

The addicts got help, the criminals went to jail

Those were about the only options, cause we couldn't do anything about their poverty and societally mandated ignorance.

Rough business but great work.

I believe a couple of those kids are still alive and productive members of Society. And Democrats, I hope.

[NYC_SKP]

58. Win a few, lose a few...

As I haven't changed cities, I still run into a former student now and again and it's nice to see them alive.

Not surprisingly, the news carries the occasional article with tragic news and a familiar name.

Diagnosis and treatment of learning and emotional disabilities is still woefully lacking.

A grad school professor pointed out that as many as 9 in 10 wards are learning disabled, but there's no way to know.

I'd occassionally try to have a student qualify for special education but it would be denied if there was drug use history or much missing school, because these issues could be the cause of the low test scores.

But, I'd counter, an underlying learning disability could might be the reason they missed school or turned to drugs. (not that it would be the case much of the time, but still...)

It's just a big fucking mess, most of the kids in my classroom, with 4 to 6 month commitments did very well until returning to their fucked up home environment.

90%+ recidivism.

[cliffordu]

59. I'd say all the clients I dealt with were dual diagnosis.....

And learning disabilities were par for the course.....

A lot of those programs have been cut, the 'justice system' warehousing them until they graduate to the Adult system and can be sent to the privatized prison system.......


It's all good.

[SwampG8r]

62. you have to get a license for a damn dog

but they let anyone have kids

[dipsydoodle]

9. Is there something subtle I'm missing here

for this to be posted in General Discussion: Presidential ?

[happychatter]

17. I hate you for saying this - nt

[IntravenousDemilo]

21. No, ROASTED carrots are the sweetest. Do you hate those, too? Well, do ya, hater?

:hide:

[Catherine Vincent]

22. If you're a Clinton-hater, admit it and move on.

Stop looking for excuses.

[JVS]

25. You say it as though it's a bad thing.

[BzaDem]

32. Case in point. Seriously.

[Forkboy]

26. If I was a hater people here would know it.

:evilgrin:

[JVS]

27. Dude, I remember back in the day how you were in the hate group and you loved it!

[Forkboy]

29. No no no...I was in the Love group and hated it.

You got it backwards. :)

[polichick]

30. It's a Republican tactic - and a major cop-out.

[JVS]

33. Which is why it should just be laughed at.

[sniffa]

44. It makes me laugh every time

My new favorite giggle inducer is, "the usual suspects."

:rofl:

[SwampG8r]

63. allways makes me think of that gilbert and sullivan thing

the mikato or mikada
it has a song

ive got a little list

[HughMoran]

42. Why do you hate carrots?

Bugs Bunny would not like this one bit!





:)

[LWolf]

43. Yes.

Did you point this out while all the "hater" slinging that went on during the primaries?

I did, not that anyone cared, lol.

[mkultra]

48. there is NOTHING i hate more than

people who hate on the haters of hate filled diatribes against honest to goodness haters.

[ruggerson]

49. Well we know the Mormons agree with you

[treestar]

50. Not always, some truly do

I'm a Bush hater and will admit it.

Some just oppose Hillary, others hate her.

[NashVegas]

51. Get Back To Me When You Start Threads Screaming Epithets Against Boiled Carrots

And posting de-vegetizing graphics of them.

[SwampG8r]

52. they are totally overrated

i mean...
i can eat them if you toss them with butter and a little honey and fresh dill
but i will never be comfortable with boiled carrots being given any place of importance at the table

[BuyingThyme]

54. I hate canned oysters.

[fadedrose]

56. I hate raw carrots nt

[SwampG8r]

60. bah you are now DEAD to me!

[Zombie2]

61. Hillz

Voted for the bombing and occupation of innocent Iraqis... Suggested that staying in the race for Prez is a good idea because Obama might get assasinated... Wants to "obliterate Iran".

I do hate that! It's not going to be good.

I've been called "Anti-Clinton" and "Hater"... big poop. It says more about the person throwing around those kinds of labels. They remind me of some of these idiotic Republican wanna-bees we have here in the midwest.... if you're not 100% with us, that means you must be against us. :puke: